India Top Recipient of US Aid Since 1947

[shah1398]

That means per person, Pakistanis have been receiving far more per person than India has from foreign assistance....from US and others (in total).

Can U imagine the losses we incurred because of Uncle Sam? Compare them with what loses India had to bare bcz of him? Is this minnow amount of money we got enough for what we lost?

http://www.brecorder.com/general-ne...lion-losses-due-to-terrorism/?date=2016-05-22

By this definition US is stil indebted to us and they are suppose to give "Their front ally on WoT" billions of USD.

Now U can get pop corn and enjoy.

Yeah whatever. And that proves nothing.

I love the part when U guys put the denial mode ON

 

[Nilgiri]

Can U imagine the losses we incurred because of Uncle Sam? Compare them with what loses India had to bare bcz of him? Is this minnow amount of money we got enough for what we lost?

http://www.brecorder.com/general-ne...lion-losses-due-to-terrorism/?date=2016-05-22

By this definition US is stil indebted to us and they are suppose to give "Their front ally on WoT" billions of USD.

Now U can get pop corn and enjoy.

Like I said thats your business with the Americans. Maybe you should have signed a better agreement on paper when you joined WoT. If it was under coercion....well then that was still Pakistan's decision.

"Supposed to" and vague notions of what was "lost" have to be balanced by Pakistanis clear duplicity (as seen in the OBL raid and Nuclear proliferation to North Korea, Iran and others) and Pakistan's own decision to enter the original Afghan conflict in the 80s in the way it did and sully its hands severely through all kinds of support to very dubious groups that later created much instability within Pakistan itself. Plus Pakistan learnt nothing from that and went for round 2 again? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me etc...

Plus theres the fact that these are all things you can take the US to court if you feel you have been wronged financially (I mean you are extra eager to take India to court over run of the river dams even though you lost the last identical case).....so when its billions and billions of dollars like you claim.....why not Pakistan do something about it rather than complain?

 

[gslv mk3]

http://www.brecorder.com/general-ne...lion-losses-due-to-terrorism/?date=2016-05-22

By this definition US is stil indebted to us and they are suppose to give "Their front ally on WoT" billions of USD.

Don't link everything with WoT. Check the graph on the last page.

I love the part when U guys put the denial mode ON

There is no denial here. Arguing that aid to India is higher in absolute terms proves nothing, as Pakistan is more dependent upon aid (1.5% of GNI). That infograph also proves the common Indian allegation that during the cold war period, Pakistani economy was kept afloat with foreign aid.

 

[shah1398]

Like I said thats your business with the Americans. Maybe you should have signed a better agreement on paper when you joined WoT. If it was under coercion....well then that was still Pakistan's decision.

"Supposed to" and vague notions of what was "lost" have to be balanced by Pakistanis clear duplicity (as seen in the OBL raid and Nuclear proliferation to North Korea, Iran and others) and Pakistan's own decision to enter the original Afghan conflict in the 80s in the way it did and sully its hands severely through all kinds of support to very dubious groups that later created much instability within Pakistan itself

Plus theres the fact that these are all things you can take the US to court if you feel you have been wronged financially (I mean you are extra eager to take India to court over run of the river dams even though you lost the last identical case).....so when its billions and billions of dollars like you claim.....why not Pakistan do something about it rather than complain?

Did I even point a dime worth a finger to why India was given aid from US for? Come what may the reasons are but we didnt lose anything bcz of OBL, nuke stuff etc etc but mainly bcz of being "Front Ally" of Uncle Sam due to its wars in Afghanistan. And we are taking India to court because India is violating an Internationally approved treaty called Indus water Treaty but there is no such case between us and Uncle Sam. Nonetheless we are derailing from main topic so adios from my side. Have a nice day.

Don't link everything with WoT. Check the graph on the last page.



There is no denial here. Arguing that aid to India is higher in absolute terms proves nothing, as Pakistan is more dependent upon aid (1.5% of GNI). That infograph also proves the common Indian allegation that during the cold war period, Pakistani economy was kept afloat with foreign aid.

So your newspaper is also lying?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-of-US-economic-aid/articleshow/48093123.cms

 

[Nilgiri]

Did I even point a dime worth a finger to why India was given aid from US for?

Maybe you should research when this aid came. It was mostly much earlier in the 50s and 60s and was mostly food related and industrial related (never much military at all).

After India aligned more closely with Soviet Union (and own conditions improved)...US aid dropped substantially. Now it is a tiny trickle. Actually most of the aid, India does not even request or want....since we prefer to take loans for development instead since these dont have silly strings attached that aid does (esp through NGOs etc...)....but countries still send some aid because they get much value from saying look at what our NGOs are doing in poor India....blah blah blah.

Come what may the reasons are but we didnt lose anything bcz of OBL, nuke stuff etc etc but mainly bcz of being "Front Ally" of Uncle Sam due to its wars in Afghanistan.

You didn't lose anything because its the US that loses from this duplicity. How much money has US has to spend on countering the North Korean nuclear program because of AQ Khan assistance on centrifuge design (probably pushing forward the weapons by several years)? How much time and effort was spent by the US on tracking OBL and then finally eliminating him....when Pakistan could have done it for pennies (but played the "we didnt know he was here" card)? These are just two examples....and they are clear factors that the US has taken in how much it "recompensates" Pakistan for.

You will get the direct reimbursements as agreed for physical accountable action.....what you suffer and say you are owed on top of that....well the US can make a case from their end too. Take it to the courts and deal with it there....but you will be exposed royally so I guess you got to take it on the chin and take the hit. Thats the way it is....life is not fair...and you didn't help things by having the attitude you did (and still have) with relation to Afghanistan and India.

And we are taking India to court because India is violating an Internationally approved treaty called Indus water Treaty but there is no such case between us and Uncle Sam.

The last time you took us to court, you lost badly. So there is no "violation"....Baglihar stayed and this current one if you proceed will have the exact same result.

With the US, you should have got it on paper. The fact that you didn't has left you open to the whims of the US to decide how much you get for your help. Hence they will definitely factor in Pakistans own actions that run contrary to what the US wants for the region and the world. That is how geopolitics works my friend.

 

[shah1398]

The last time you took us to court, you lost badly. So there is no "violation"....Baglihar stayed and this current one if you proceed will have the exact same result.

With the US, you should have got it on paper. The fact that you didn't has left you open to the whims of the US to decide how much you get for your help. Hence they will definitely factor in Pakistans own actions that run contrary to what the US wants for the region and the world. That is how geopolitics works my friend.

I ll just focus on the last part as again first two wud take 1000s of arguments and we would be still standing at zero. Regarding Baglihar etc cases, we were having a mole inside us who had support of govt entities for some reasons of their interest, so ofcourse our this case and many other cases were deliberately weakened. But not anymore and U can see why are we again referring to IAC etc etc.

 

[Nilgiri]

Regarding Baglihar etc cases, we were having a mole inside us who had support of govt entities for some reasons of their interest, so ofcourse our this case and many other cases were deliberately weakened. But not anymore and U can see why are we again referring to IAC etc etc.

Fine good luck to you, but result will be the same. Run of the river dams have no significant storage and are physically incapable of depriving Pakistan of water. You really think India would commit to such dams (spending significant money and time) without consulting legal experts on IWT first? Pakistan was hoping for some desperate miracle and when it didn't happen....there is this talk of a mole or whatever (never heard of it before to be honest).

You may get a few technical changes going your way again....but that can be negotiated bilaterally which you do not seem keen on doing. These further dams are almost exact replicas of Baglihar in design....so what real chance does Pakistan have now that precedent has been clearly established? Your best shot was to stop Baglihar since thats the first one. Later ones, India simply has to refer the tribunal to Baglihar where they can study all the details. It seems to me Pakistan just wants to go through the motions and keep some agenda going with India at any opportunity. OK, that is your decision....but we will make sure the result is the same as last time.

 

[X-2.]

Your comprehension skills are pathetic.



Says who?

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.ODA.ODAT.GN.ZS

@Nilgiri check out post #2

Lol pls complain to USA and world bank for not getting aid

 

[shah1398]

Fine good luck to you, but result will be the same. Run of the river dams have no significant storage and are physically incapable of depriving Pakistan of water. You really think India would commit to such dams (spending significant money and time) without consulting legal experts on IWT first? Pakistan was hoping for some desperate miracle and when it didn't happen....there is this talk of a mole or whatever (never heard of it before to be honest).

You may get a few technical changes going your way again....but that can be negotiated bilaterally which you do not seem keen on doing. These further dams are almost exact replicas of Baglihar in design....so what real chance does Pakistan have now that precedent has been clearly established? Your best shot was to stop Baglihar since thats the first one. Later ones, India simply has to refer the tribunal to Baglihar where they can study all the details. It seems to me Pakistan just wants to go through the motions and keep some agenda going with India at any opportunity. OK, that is your decision....but we will make sure the result is the same as last time.

Well its not just courts we are relying on but on our part we have undertaken projects like Neelum-Jhelum Hydro Power Project, Karot Dam etc. Anticipated but feared water scarcity has to be taken seriously.

 

[gslv mk3]

Lol pls complain to USA and world bank for not getting aid

We don't need aid, thank you.

So your newspaper is also lying?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-of-US-economic-

It is also talking about absolute numbers.

 

[X-2.]

We don't need aid, thank you.



It is also talking about absolute numbers.

So pls return that aid u were receiving since got independence ?

 

[gslv mk3]

So pls return that aid u were receiving since got independence ?

Aid is not a loan, to return.

 

[X-2.]

Aid is not a loan, to return.

Lol

We don't need aid, thank you.



It is also talking about absolute numbers.

Thats good for u ,but u should agree u were taking aids

 

[Sliver]

from your link:
According to OECD group of the aid donor nations, the words "aid" and "assistance" refer to flows which qualify as Official Development Assistance (ODA) or Official Aid (OA). Such OA or ODA aid includes both grants and soft loans given by OECD nations and multi-lateral institutions like the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, IMF, etc.

also from your own link:

http://imgur.com/a/zSZYd
<someone please upload the image> , its the same image from his blog
china is getting more "aid" than India but you wont tell that story. Because that doesnt fit your narrative.

 

[Nalini]

I have mentioned in another post, India was looted of all the wealth by the Britishers.

Pakistan was created by the British for two reasons. One, it did not want India to be a major power after independence. Two, as a launch pad for a covert war directed at Russia’s soft underbelly in Central Asia. So British decided to use Jinnah as a bait for getting a base in North west India. Pakistan was handed over to the US so that their direct intentions are hidden, which has propped up the country over the decades with generous doses of cash and weapons.

British showered America with all the looted money it had to keep its interest.

The division of India was necessary because it “would help to consolidate Britain in the Middle East.” It’s no coincidence that within a few years, the U.S. would establish an air base in Pakistan to launch its high altitude U2 spy aircraft until one day in 1960 when a U2 was shot down over Russia and Gary Powers was captured.

Thus came the great divide on August 14-15, 1947.

The British left India bankrupt & in utter poverty. And don't forget India's population is the 2nd largest. What aid money they have given is peanuts to what they looted. Also the Americans kept giving aid so they have some influence over India & kept Pakistan diverted from any mindset of Re-unification which would have given the Soviets the control over the region as India was getting closer & closer to the Soviets.