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India Took a Shocking 33 Years to Develop a Jet Fighter (And It’s Still Not Ready for Combat)

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The Indian government is proposing to export its Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas light combat aircraft to other Asian nations. New Delhi hopes that the indigenously developed fighter’s relatively simple design and potentially low maintenance costs will be a selling point for the jet. But India’s prospects for selling the its “new” fighter are highly dubious.

“The government proposes to export the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas to other countries. In this connection preliminary discussions have been held with a few friendly countries,” reads a statement from Indian defense minister Shri Manohar Parrikar. “Presently, HAL has established facilities for manufacturing and delivery of 8 LCA per annum. There is a plan to ramp up the production rate from 8 to 16 Aircraft per annum progressively by 2019-20.”

It’s unclear which potential customers might be interested in the Tejas, though New Delhi has been trying to market the jet overseas with an appearance at theBahrain air show earlier this year. But given that India has been trying to develop the Tejas since the 1980s without delivering a viable combat aircraft, it is highly doubtful that any of New Delhi’s allies would be willing to purchase such a fighter. Moreover, even after more than 33 years of development, the Tejas continues to be plagued with problems—though developers believe that they can resolve outstanding issues with the aircraft within a year. “I told them that all shortcomings should be fulfilled and the plane should be ready in a year,” Parrikar told the Hindustan Times on Nov. 20.

Nonetheless, New Delhi continues to assert that the Tejas offers performance comparable to France’s Dassault Rafale. “This is a plane which is completely indigenously manufactured and can compete with any other fighter plane in the world. It is as capable as the Rafale. Only this is a light combat aircraft (LCA),” Parrikar told the Hindustan Times. “Only a 3.5 ton missile can be carried on it, Rafale on the other hand can carry a nine ton (payload). This plane can fly at the rate of 450Kms, Rafale can run 900Kms because it has twin engines.”

Despite, India’s bold claims, the generally unimpressive Tejas is not in the same league as other comparable aircraft in the export fighter market. The Swedish Saab JAS-39 Gripen and even upgraded older model F-16s and F/A-18s generally offer superior performance for comparable and sometimes even lower prices. Moreover, the Tejas—with a hodgepodge of technologies drawn from Israel, France, Russia and the United States, among others—would be a nightmare to clear for export.

Despite being billed as an indigenous aircraft, roughly 25 percent of the current Mk-1 version of the aircraft is built from imported components. While that might seem fairly low, those components are the core of what makes a fighter a fighter. Imported systems on the Tejas include the Israel Aerospace Industries/ELTA EL/M-2032 radar, an Elbit helmet-mounted cueing system, a British-made Martin Baker ejection seat and an American General Electric F404 afterburning turbofan. Additionally, many of the jet’s weapons—such as the GSh-23 23 mm cannon—are of Russian origin. Indeed, the very fact that the Tejas is equipped with a U.S. engine means that Washington has a veto on which nations New Delhi can offer the aircraft to for sale. Thus, a potential customer might be better served to simply purchase a used F-16 or F/A-18—which are far better jets with a far more attractive package of weapons (not to mention political clout).

Meanwhile, India recently ordered 83 more Tejas Mk-1A jets, a slightly refined version of the current Mk-1 aircraft, of which 20 are on order. The Tejas Mk-1A will replace the current mechanically-scanned radar with a new Israel Aerospace Industries/ELTA EL/M-2052 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, a new electronic warfare pod and a Cobham in-flight refueling probe. There are also a host of other improvements to correct the deficiencies found on the original Mk-1.

New Delhi is continuing to refine the aging Tejas design with the Mk-II version, which is set to make its debut in 2025. The new version of the jet will be equipped with the 22,000-pound thrust class General Electric F414 engine, which was originally developed for the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet. However, the Indians are attempting to revive the failed Kaveri indigenous engine that was originally slated to power the Tejas before it became glaringly apparent that it was not up to the task. The France’s Snecma is working with the Indians to certify the Kaveri engine for the flight of a Tejas light combat aircraft prototype in 2018.

“Once the engine houses make it a flightworthy engine, we have numerous programs coming up and there is more than one place for it to be fitted. The question is whether we will be able to fit it into only the LCA or will we be able to get it into the (GE) 414 with the higher power is a point that we are raising,” C.P. Ramanarayanan, DRDO’s Director General for Aeronautics told India’s Business Standard.

Given India’s abysmal track record in developing indigenous combat aircraft, there is little reason to be optimistic about New Delhi’s prospects for the Tejas. Frankly, the Indian Air Force would be better served by relegating the Tejas to being technology demonstrator and simply buying a genuine combat aircraft from one of its allies.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...rs-develop-jet-fighter-its-still-18505?page=2
 
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^^ Let's just be blunt about it. LCA is a disaster in any shape or form you look at it. The author is right on the money to point out that the LCA project a complete failure. If people put their patriotism aside they will acknowledge this basic fact.
 
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The US aid is only 1% of our annual GDP.
Its also the same ratio with your country, so stop crying.
Said the one that doesn't have a single weapon of his own, your country cannot develop anything without help, we have the Merkava, the Tavor, the Negev, many weapons of our own.

We all know how you get all those techs, you have always stolen tech from US and then sold it to other countries. Let me refresh your memory recently only you guys sold some Drone to Russia which was actually not meant to be sold as it was from US. Prior to this you also sold AESA radar tech.

Anyways you can't compare your selves to us because we are not Palestine, you can't compete with us at any given level. Boy you guys are to small to compete with Pakistan. So you better start comparing your self to countries which are at your level. :lol:
 
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epic fail,
Go find out the meaning of epic first before you use it. The Lavi is not exactly the same as F-16. Even the recent F-16s don't look like the original F-16s. However what is obvious is that Lavi is based on F-16 but with some modifications. It is mutation of the original F-16. The Lavi has F-16s DNA writ large all over it. Or should I say the Lavi is derivative of the F-16.

@Beny Karachun I am not denying that Israel has not done well. It is highly motivated country, with decendants of the holocaust pushing themselves forward as history weighs down on you guy's. If 70% of Pakistan was wiped out by being sent to gas chambers trust me the survivors would come out very motivated. Their survival instincts would be operating at altogether another level.
 
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We told this to the indians years ago

it was only the delusional indian fan boys who were pissing themselves trying to come up with reasons why the mighty Tejas was such a lemon that was taking so long



The indians will keep arguing but the bottom line is that there is NO reason for them to be looking at Gripen or F16s etc if Tejas was even half decent

They are basically stuck, they will induct the Tejas for ego and then buy the gripen or something else to do the job the Tejas was supposed to do


Tejas will spend its life being flown for no reason and will get wheeled out for the muppet indian public as a mighty indian indigiginooouus plane for them to creame their underpants over and for their fan boys to incessantly bother us on forums about how it is better then the flying with multiple airforces JF17

I don't think its true and even if it was you weren't sent to any gas chambers.

if you jews didn't screw around so much neither would you
 
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Lol an outdated article.. It is already inducted and mass produced and new versions are also made
 
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A country which survived only because of US aid and always stolen everything related defense from US is talking about creating things on its own. Listen you are irrelevant here. Don't poke your nose in our matters because you know it very well what we Pakistanis are capable of .
Everybody who participates on this forum, and is a member is relevant sir.
@Beny Karachun you are most welcome to bring "facts" and place them in front of all participating members. Dont ever get discouraged by any steel neck cocky young man here in this forum. You have equal rights to argue just like everybody else.
 
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^^ Let's just be blunt about it. LCA is a disaster in any shape or form you look at it. The author is right on the money to point out that the LCA project a complete failure. If people put their patriotism aside they will acknowledge this basic fact.

Instead of blanket statements, Please point out the specific failures.
 
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^^ Let's just be blunt about it. LCA is a disaster in any shape or form you look at it. The author is right on the money to point out that the LCA project a complete failure. If people put their patriotism aside they will acknowledge this basic fact.
You are totally wrong , we developed testing technologies, wind tunnel , designed a whole aircraft+ made an engine + radars (mmr + aesa is tested) so we learned a great deal from it and it will increase in numbers in IAF soon it is produced
 
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Ludicrous to watch pakistani's again for the umpteenth time bashing Tejas. But that is their only job. So ok.

Please, design and develop one engineering product before you mock others. They still consider Chinese wares with green paint as pakistani. Indians should be proud that Tejas took 33 years to develop. Show the resilience. If this was given up, it would have cost brain drain and millions of jobs. To explain this to fellow Pakistanis is futile.

But once again, it is their job to bash it. Us Indians to prove it wrong.

Insecurity and obsession of Pakistanis.
 
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