India Today = Late Qing China

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Facts check.
India today has 1% nuclear weapons and delivery systems of China nuclear strength. At most 3%.

All the more reasons for the world to defang and dismantle your crazy dictatorship one man one party regime.

 

[bolo]

that is not true. US benefited from defeating the Spanish Empire after all.

sometimes a small conflict can deter greater conflict in the future.

You can tell from Chinese posters the lack of courage.

You can do shadow boxing in front of my face all day as long as you don't hit me. If you hit me and assuming I am still conscious I MAY fight back.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

All the more reasons for the world to defang and dismantle your crazy dictatorship one man one party regime.

Try it and India will be a historical term only.

 

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Try it and India will be a historical term only.

According to your beliefs the whole world except China will be history..

 

[Imran Khan]

陈祥榕, the name on the gravestone, is indeed a CPC member that died.

But he died in 1934.

陈祥榕（解放军某机步营战士、一等功臣）_百度百科

陈祥榕（2001年12月-2020年6月），男，福建省宁德市屏南县人，中国人民解放军某机步营战士，一等功臣。2020年6月在中国西部边陲喀喇昆仑高原加勒万河谷对外斗争中毫不畏惧、英勇战斗，直至壮烈牺牲。当月评定烈士 隆重迎回安葬，被中央军委追记一等功。2021年2月19日中国媒体对英雄事迹进行公开报道。...

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It is a photoshop.

let indians enjoy these poor guys have very few celebrations in military term recent days . one day they celebrate another day cry

 

[vi-va]

Unfortunately, this offer is no longer on the table; it has been withdrawn, by China, and efforts to revive it have been rejected.

It is unfortunate that the Indian administration did not accept the proposal when it was first made, before armed conflict broke out.



That is correct. It is sad to note, however, that the bigger loser will be China, as she is the country poised to take a leading position in the world, ahead even of gains that she has made in the last few decades; India will continue to remain a regional power, even, in case of defeat, an impaired one, but nevertheless one with reach and authority over smaller neighbours that remain unaffected by a war (some may be affected - Bhutan, Nepal and Pakistan, for instance)



We all know that he is unfit to lead, and that he is unable to understand what to do because of his abysmal lack of experience, and his very large ego, that will not allow him to ask for help.

China offer this proposal in 50s, waited 30 years, no response.

What if China keep the proposal open after 90s? Do you think China like the embarrassment? China keep the proposal means China weaken our position on Arunachal state. It's a cost on our side. You think Chinese are less patriotic than Indians? Why should Chinese embarrassed ourselves and weaken our claim for so long?

Why China want India to side with us in 1950s? Why Nehru and Zhou Enlai attended Bandung Conference? Because we are all damn victims of colonization for centuries.

If Nehru insist Aksai Chin belongs to India because the former colonizer Great British somehow had some influence there. Then why Indians overthrown British and throw them out?

After so many years, we should be realistic that, China can NOT take Arunachal State by force, while India can NOT take Aksai Chin by force neither. Exchange Aksai Chin with Arunachal is the most reasonable and peaceful solution, the best solution we can ever dream of.

Why China give up, because we lost hope. We see India as a penetrated state by western power. Economy, industry, finance system, military, education. Most importantly, language, culture, and Media.

India adopted western political system, use English as official language, open media to all foreign power. We Chinese deeply worried that India has already lost sovereignty to a very large extent.

Base on our bad memory of western power and colonization. We can NOT bet on state which hugely influenced by western power. We don't see India as an independent state, but a extension of western power.

I see many Indians in US, those Indians integrated into US society much easier and much more acceptable by westerners. Why is that? Because Indians are assimilated, linguistically, culturally.

Why western powers do not accept China like India?

1. China insist our independence as the last continue ancient civilization in the world.
2. China have completely independent national defense industry.
3. China try very hard to make every single weapons all by ourselves.
4. China develop a completely independent industry,
5. China have FULL industry in all International Standard Industrial Classification of All Economic Activities, every single of them. 39 industries,191 sub industries, 525 items. All of them.

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/publication/seriesm/seriesm_4rev4e.pdf

The door is still open, a door to prosperity for both ancient countries with 2.8 billions of people. It will be close soon, in a month or so.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What was the point of your post?

China offer this proposal in 50s, waited 30 years, no response.

As far as I know, the proposal was not available when Rajive Gandhi went to Beijing.

What if China keep the proposal open after 90s?

Do you think China like the embarrassment? China keep the proposal means China weaken our position on Arunachal state. It's a cost on our side. You think Chinese are less patriotic than Indians? Why should Chinese embarrassed ourselves and weaken our claim for so long?

Are we talking about a nation-state or a middle-aged woman about to enter into a period of hormonal disturbances? The embarrassment? The cost? Patriotic? What are you talking about? There were no talks for the intervening 30 years, so what embarrassment was involved? If you are correct (you are not, but let us be hypothetical), if the proposal was kept open for 30 years, what was the desperate urgency to withdraw it?

Why China want India to side with us in 1950s? Why Nehru and Zhou Enlai attended Bandung Conference? Because we are all damn victims of colonization for centuries.

That is the silliest thing I have read for a long time. Everyone at Bandung had suffered at the hands of the western powers, not just China and India. So there was nothing special about these two countries attending. China was doing nobody a favour by attending; the conference was about non-alignment, and the principals were Nasser, Sukarno, Tito and Nehru. Nehru and the Indians took great care that the Chinese should be accepted by all others; it was not that China was a world leader and had the vast sums of money to fling around that she has today. China had just finished fighting a vicious and bloody war against the forces of the United Nations, and had not got her seat on the Security Council. If you read accounts of the Conference, not propaganda brought out by the CPC, you will find out who did what for whom; the simple question to you is that India did a lot for China, at the Conference and on other occasions during that period. What did China do in return? Other than swell up in jealous rage and decide to teach Nehru a humiliating lesson to satisfy the Chinese leadership's wounded egos?

If Nehru insist Aksai Chin belongs to India because the former colonizer Great British somehow had some influence there. Then why Indians overthrown British and throw them out?

What did you have in mind instead? That India should go to each neighbour and ask to talk about old times once again? Please read the excellent note by saiyan0321 on the question of boundaries and borders in international law. Furthermore, you may not be aware, but in 1842, there was already a formal agreement between the Tibetan authorities (the Chinese Amban accompanying them had been killed in battle immediately before, that defeat being a major reason for both sides deciding to sit and decide boundaries), and the Treaty of Chushul had been signed between the state of Kashmir and the state of Tibet. Are you suggesting that the British as suzerains of the state of Kashmir and the Chinese of the Qing dynasty should have rejected the treaty and sat down separately and decided once again?

Are you aware that China had no interest in Aksai Chin until the first Chinese military commander in Tibet in 1950 decided to strengthen an old caravan route to Kashgar from western Tibet, and that ever since, China has been frantically digging around for some evidence to show that they owned the land on which that commonly-used caravan route lay? There is no proof to this date, and not one map has turned up from the Chinese side. Naturally; there is not a shred of evidence that justifies the claim.

The point is that India did not overthrow the British; there was remarkably little violence, because the Indian leadership deliberately and consciously chose that route. I know that you will find it difficult to understand this, but the Indian freedom movement leadership negotiated the withdrawal of the British colonists and imperialists, and did so through formal legislation at London, that handed over the entire colony of India to the two Dominions of India and Pakistan.

In these circumstances, what is the point of your question?

After so many years, we should be realistic that, China can NOT take Arunachal State by force, while India can NOT take Aksai Chin by force neither. Exchange Aksai Chin with Arunachal is the most reasonable and peaceful solution, the best solution we can ever dream of.

LOL.

Are you even aware that to date - up until the 5th of September, 2020, the PRC has refused to produce a single map through the dozens of negotiating meetings that have been held, showing their idea of where the border should run in Ladakh?

Please do your homework first.

Why China give up, because we lost hope. We see India as a penetrated state by western power.

Economy, industry, finance system, military, education. Most importantly, language, culture, and Media.

Ah, THAT is why, knowing what you would decide 55 years later, you were unable to share with India the nature of your claims on a border that only the Treaty of Chushul dealt with?

India adopted western political system, use English as official language, open media to all foreign power. We Chinese deeply worried that India has already lost sovereignty to a very large extent.

I can see that you are well aware of the Chinese family background and Han ethnic roots of Karl Marx, on whose thought the Communist Party of China was founded. That, of course, and your adoption of Russian weapons and acceptance of Russian advisors - not taking into account the relations between the Kuomintang and Germany, first, Britain and the USA next - clearly shows your independence of western or external influences. Down to the MiG 19s and MiG 17s that were used in the Korean War.

Oh, by the way, English is not the Indian official language; it is used alongside Hindi, because we have over 400 languages in use, and it is difficult for us low-IQ Indians to learn all 400 of them; especially dull ones like me, people who know only three to read, write and speak, and another three to speak and read.

Base on our bad memory of western power and colonization. We can NOT bet on state which hugely influenced by western power. We don't see India as an independent state, but a extension of western power.

Really a silly argument. It merely shows that neither then nor today is there the slightest sincerity in seeking a peaceful solution.

I see many Indians in US, those Indians integrated into US society much easier and much more acceptable by westerners. Why is that? Because Indians are assimilated, linguistically, culturally.

And the zillions of Chinese students, many of whom stay back to take up jobs in critical and security-sensitive technology jobs are unassimilated? What language do they use to speak to their American teachers and colleagues at work? Mandarin? Do they take chopsticks to work to eat at the cafeteria?

Why western powers do not accept China like India?

1. China insist our independence as the last continue ancient civilization in the world.
2. China have completely independent national defense industry.
3. China try very hard to make every single weapons all by ourselves.
4. China develop a completely independent industry,
5. China have FULL industry in all International Standard Industrial Classification of All Economic Activities, every single of them. 39 industries,191 sub industries, 525 items. All of them.

There is no need for me or anyone else to remind you that there are huge western music classes and that Chinese classical music is hardly accepted elsewhere in the world. Chinese Opera is; if you have lived in the west, and seen the influence that Indian classical music has there, both north Indian and south Indian, then you might not have made quite such ridicule-worthy assertions.

Many western people are Buddhist and Hindu; does that sound as if India has lost her independence?

As for your defence industry, what would it have been without the famous American technology tool, the photocopy machine?


https://unstats.un.org/unsd/publication/seriesm/seriesm_4rev4e.pdf

The door is still open, a door to prosperity for both ancient countries with 2.8 billions of people. It will be close soon, in a month or so.

Let it close.

If the people and the leadership of China think that their present position of being near the top of the world in all respects is worth burning up in nuclear fire, then such stupid people and leadership deserve to burn. It is a pity that we will also suffer because of this stupidity. There seems to be little alternative.

 

[Feng Leng]

If the people and the leadership of China think that their present position of being near the top of the world in all respects is worth burning up in nuclear fire, then such stupid people and leadership deserve to burn. It is a pity that we will also suffer because of this stupidity. There seems to be little alternative.

That's exactly what a suicide bomber thinks. That's why China should preemptively strike New Delhi with at least 5 megatons on the first day. The world does not need a 1.2 billion population suicide bomber that thinks it will go to Nirvana after fulfilling its mission.

 

[SuperStar20]

the stone is real. the name and message on it is fake.

What about the cigarettes? Do they put cigarettes for 1932 died person also?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

You can tell from Chinese posters the lack of courage.

You can do shadow boxing in front of my face all day as long as you don't hit me. If you hit me and assuming I am still conscious I MAY fight back.

You hid it well for a while, but you're just another worthless Indian troll.

 

[Krptonite]

That's exactly what a suicide bomber thinks. That's why China should preemptively strike New Delhi with at least 5 megatons on the first day. The world does not need a 1.2 billion population suicide bomber that thinks it will go to Nirvana after fulfilling its mission.

Man use big words. Man write long long.
Must use Nukes to understand.

Even a monkey typing randomly might come up with a coherent response to the points @Joe Shearer brought up, but honestly speaking I like your response better.

Trade or border disputes? Nuke em

PR campaign not going well? Nuke em

Too much chilly in food? Nuke em

Debating logic 101, CPC edition.

 

[Song Hong]

British never annex South Tibet and Aksai Chin, other than cartological fantasy imperialism.

Any thing British draw on map, India say it belongs to them.

China offer this proposal in 50s, waited 30 years, no response.

What if China keep the proposal open after 90s? Do you think China like the embarrassment? China keep the proposal means China weaken our position on Arunachal state. It's a cost on our side. You think Chinese are less patriotic than Indians? Why should Chinese embarrassed ourselves and weaken our claim for so long?

Why China want India to side with us in 1950s? Why Nehru and Zhou Enlai attended Bandung Conference? Because we are all damn victims of colonization for centuries.

If Nehru insist Aksai Chin belongs to India because the former colonizer Great British somehow had some influence there. Then why Indians overthrown British and throw them out?

After so many years, we should be realistic that, China can NOT take Arunachal State by force, while India can NOT take Aksai Chin by force neither. Exchange Aksai Chin with Arunachal is the most reasonable and peaceful solution, the best solution we can ever dream of.

Why China give up, because we lost hope. We see India as a penetrated state by western power. Economy, industry, finance system, military, education. Most importantly, language, culture, and Media.

India adopted western political system, use English as official language, open media to all foreign power. We Chinese deeply worried that India has already lost sovereignty to a very large extent.

Base on our bad memory of western power and colonization. We can NOT bet on state which hugely influenced by western power. We don't see India as an independent state, but a extension of western power.

I see many Indians in US, those Indians integrated into US society much easier and much more acceptable by westerners. Why is that? Because Indians are assimilated, linguistically, culturally.

Why western powers do not accept China like India?

1. China insist our independence as the last continue ancient civilization in the world.
2. China have completely independent national defense industry.
3. China try very hard to make every single weapons all by ourselves.
4. China develop a completely independent industry,
5. China have FULL industry in all International Standard Industrial Classification of All Economic Activities, every single of them. 39 industries,191 sub industries, 525 items. All of them.

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/publication/seriesm/seriesm_4rev4e.pdf

The door is still open, a door to prosperity for both ancient countries with 2.8 billions of people. It will be close soon, in a month or so.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That's exactly what a suicide bomber thinks. That's why China should preemptively strike New Delhi with at least 5 megatons on the first day. The world does not need a 1.2 billion population suicide bomber that thinks it will go to Nirvana after fulfilling its mission.

Oh Heavens.

Now the pop psychology begins. Even the 5 megatons is preferable to this continuing nuisance: the death by inane comment.

 

[Joe Shearer]

British never annex South Tibet and Aksai Chin, other than cartological fantasy imperialism.

Any thing British draw on map, India say it belongs to them.

Neither did Qing, O Mighty Scholar, nor Sun Yat-sen regime, nor KMT, nor CPC.

Anything the Dzungarians had in the distant past, China say Belong to Me.

 

[Song Hong]

If you read my post, China did defeated Dzungars. The prize is Xinjiang.

Neither did Qing, O Mighty Scholar, nor Sun Yat-sen regime, nor KMT, nor CPC.

Anything the Dzungarians had in the distant past, China say Belong to Me.