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We are all armchair generals after all correct? Let's let the real military commanders on both sides form their actual plans ... for us, the only task is to speculate :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

Some generals are more armchair than others, and curiously more energetic than others.
 
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Please concentrate on PUBG. As long as there are elements who forget that India was a major armoury during the Second World War, and diverted its resources elsewhere after that war, it is a happy situation. We will continue to get fatuous posts that are the equivalent of whistling past a graveyard.
It's a pity that India should negotiate with China on the PM Zhou Enlai proposal, which India acknowledge China's Aksai Chin, in exchange for China acknowledge India's Arunachal state.

This is called political wisdom and statesmanship.

If war happened between China and India, it will only benefit other countries, except China and India. The hatred and confrontation will last in 21 century.

Modi sow nationalism to gain political points, but the horseman need special skills to ride the nationalism wild horse.
 
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If war happened between China and India, it will only benefit other countries, except China and India. The hatred and confrontation will last in 21 century.

that is not true. US benefited from defeating the Spanish Empire after all.

sometimes a small conflict can deter greater conflict in the future.
 
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that is not true. US benefited from defeating the Spanish Empire after all.

sometimes a small conflict can deter greater conflict in the future.
Spanish–American War happened in 1898. Spanish Empire was a declining empire back than, and far away from US. The war happened near US coast, but thousands of miles away from Span. There will be no long lasting consequence. Span can bark, but bark only after the war.

India is a lame duck, but still useful as a weapon to contain China. It will be tragedy for India to be used again and again by western power, but it's seems unavoidable.

India is under Hindu nationalism fever, which incited by BJP for decades. If India decided to join the QUAD, China has no choice but to contain India with Pakistan.

And by the way, India will be the biggest loser, Pakistan will be biggest winner. China will lose some bargaining chip as well on the international arena.

I have strong belief that China will endure the long lasting confrontation. India probably not.

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Spanish–American War happened in 1898. Spanish Empire was a declining empire back than, and far away from US. The war happened near US coast, but thousands of miles away from Span. There will be no long lasting consequence. Span can bark, but bark only after the war.

India is a lame duck, but still useful as a weapon to contain China. It will be tragedy for India to be used again and again by western power, but it's seems unavoidable.

India is under Hindu nationalism fever, which incited by BJP for decades. If India decided to join the QUAD, China has no choice but to contain India with Pakistan.

And by the way, India will be the biggest loser, Pakistan will be biggest winner. China will lose some bargaining chip as well on the international arena.

I have strong belief that China will endure the long lasting confrontation. India probably not.

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interesting graph. It shows that in WW2, even Germany and Japan combined was not even half the US, and during the Cold War the Soviet Union was not even half as strong as the US. Really puts into perspective just how strong the US is during the 20th century.
 
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interesting graph. It shows that in WW2, even Germany and Japan combined was not even half the US, and during the Cold War the Soviet Union was not even half as strong as the US. Really puts into perspective just how strong the US is during the 20th century.
I agree it's exaggerated to some extent. But as you can see US industry output was spectacular.

珍珠港被偷袭之前,美国海军太平洋舰队有战列舰9艘、航空母舰3艘、重巡洋舰12艘、轻巡洋舰9艘、驱逐舰67艘、潜艇12艘。日本海军却有战列舰10艘、航空母舰10艘、重巡洋舰18艘、轻巡洋舰20艘、驱逐舰112艘、潜艇75艘。不论是战舰数量还是训练水平,美军完全没有优势可言。经过日本海军的狂轰滥炸,美军太平洋舰队更是损失惨重,一度疲于防守,处处被动。
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太平洋战争开始初期,美国海军屡屡战败,战舰数量一减再减,1942年美军一度只有企业号一艘航母在太平洋游弋,于是乎诞生了“企业VS日本”口号(企业:“我不是针对你,我是说IJN的每一位,都是垃圾。”)。不过,也就是那一年,美国海军终于等来了疯狂造舰下饺子的时代。

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太平洋战争开始后,美国抓紧转型高速生产航母与各种战舰,船厂建造速度接连刷新纪录。美国国会于1942年通过专门法案,将航母生产作为优先制造的战略兵器。从1942年起,美国共建造147艘各型航母。其中人称“饺子级”的“埃塞克斯级”主力航母就建造了24艘。而同期的英国只建造了10艘各型航母,日本更是仅有6艘。凭借这一强大的生产力,美军在3年多时间内把日本海军打成了海底观光舰队。

US produced 147 carrier since Pacific War started, while British produced 10, Japan 6 only.

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除了战舰之外,美国海陆空各种武器装备都是大规模制造。由于具有地理和矿产上的优势,美国在产能释放方面完全没有受到任何限制,显示了惊人的力量。美国二战期间生产各型轰炸机约6万架。图为批量建造中的B-32轰炸机。
Bomber 60,000
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批量制造中的M4谢尔曼中型坦克,二战期间产量超过5万辆,为二战期间产量最大的坦克。
M4 Sherman 50,000.

批量制造中的M3"格兰特"坦克,性能虽然很一般但是数量绝对足够,对付日本人的小豆丁坦克绰绰有余。

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投掷原子弹的B-29型轰炸机相对定型较晚,但也进行了大规模的建造,总生产量为3900架左右。

B-29 3900

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至于战斗机,资料显示美国二战期间造了各种战斗机约10万架,并广泛支援其他盟国。

Fighter 100,000.

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I agree it's exaggerated to some extent. But as you can see US industry output was spectacular.

珍珠港被偷袭之前,美国海军太平洋舰队有战列舰9艘、航空母舰3艘、重巡洋舰12艘、轻巡洋舰9艘、驱逐舰67艘、潜艇12艘。日本海军却有战列舰10艘、航空母舰10艘、重巡洋舰18艘、轻巡洋舰20艘、驱逐舰112艘、潜艇75艘。不论是战舰数量还是训练水平,美军完全没有优势可言。经过日本海军的狂轰滥炸,美军太平洋舰队更是损失惨重,一度疲于防守,处处被动。
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太平洋战争开始初期,美国海军屡屡战败,战舰数量一减再减,1942年美军一度只有企业号一艘航母在太平洋游弋,于是乎诞生了“企业VS日本”口号(企业:“我不是针对你,我是说IJN的每一位,都是垃圾。”)。不过,也就是那一年,美国海军终于等来了疯狂造舰下饺子的时代。

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太平洋战争开始后,美国抓紧转型高速生产航母与各种战舰,船厂建造速度接连刷新纪录。美国国会于1942年通过专门法案,将航母生产作为优先制造的战略兵器。从1942年起,美国共建造147艘各型航母。其中人称“饺子级”的“埃塞克斯级”主力航母就建造了24艘。而同期的英国只建造了10艘各型航母,日本更是仅有6艘。凭借这一强大的生产力,美军在3年多时间内把日本海军打成了海底观光舰队。

US produced 147 carrier since Pacific War started, while British produced 10, Japan 6 only.

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除了战舰之外,美国海陆空各种武器装备都是大规模制造。由于具有地理和矿产上的优势,美国在产能释放方面完全没有受到任何限制,显示了惊人的力量。美国二战期间生产各型轰炸机约6万架。图为批量建造中的B-32轰炸机。
Bomber 60,000
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批量制造中的M4谢尔曼中型坦克,二战期间产量超过5万辆,为二战期间产量最大的坦克。
M4 Sherman 50,000.

批量制造中的M3"格兰特"坦克,性能虽然很一般但是数量绝对足够,对付日本人的小豆丁坦克绰绰有余。

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投掷原子弹的B-29型轰炸机相对定型较晚,但也进行了大规模的建造,总生产量为3900架左右。

B-29 3900

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至于战斗机,资料显示美国二战期间造了各种战斗机约10万架,并广泛支援其他盟国。

Fighter 100,000.

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The Japanese lost the war against the US as soon as the first bombs landed on Pearl Harbor. They could have achieved the most spectacular Tsushima against the USN (which they obviously did not) and that would have only prolonged the war. The result was already certain from the very beginning.
 
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Thank Heavens we have your eye-witness report to illuminate the situation.
These keyboard warriors do not have the slightest interest in discovering facts, they just want to spread lies and malign all discussions with propaganda. The Chinese are good at strategic planning and calculating 100 moves in advance but if the opponent surprises them then they are stuck in a helpless frenzy where they can do nothing other than what they are best at - spread disinformation.. and this is why the world media is picking up and even highlighting all the reports of India standing up to Chinese land grabbing.

India today has enough nuclear weapons and delivery systems to send China back to Xia dynasty. :partay::china:
 
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陈祥榕, the name on the gravestone, is indeed a CPC member that died.

But he died in 1934.


It is a photoshop.

How is the cement fresh then.
 
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These keyboard warriors do not have the slightest interest in discovering facts, they just want to spread lies and malign all discussions with propaganda. The Chinese are good at strategic planning and calculating 100 moves in advance but if the opponent surprises them then they are stuck in a helpless frenzy where they can do nothing other than what they are best at - spread disinformation.. and this is why the world media is picking up and even highlighting all the reports of India standing up to Chinese land grabbing.

India today has enough nuclear weapons and delivery systems to send China back to Xia dynasty. :partay::china:

no you don't. India has ~100 small WW2 level nukes with 50 kT yield. A single DF-5 has a 5000 kT yield, equal to the entire Indian arsenal combined.


 
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If war happened between China and India, it will only benefit other countries, except China and India. The hatred and confrontation will last in 21 century.
There seem to be a lot of different opinionson this topic among Chinese and Pakistani on this forum, and yours is the least popular of all of them. Even your govt mouthpiece Global Times refuses to acknowledge that this is nothing but a lose-lose situation. Xi Jinping has commited a grave strategic blunder to save his own position, and it will cost China much more than he thought.. because India is no Vietnam or Taiwan. critics are being silenced, anyone who talks sense is cast out - so be careful out there.
 
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