India to use Russian avionics for future fighter: Official

[帅的一匹]

We have WS10G on the J20, why we should thank you? You always sell inferior weapon and engine to China compared to India.

 

[ptldM3]

We have WS10G on the J20, why we should thank you? You always sell inferior weapon and engine to China compared to India.

The J-21 uses RD-93's and at least one j-20 looks to have AL-31. As for China getting inferior technology, that's questionable and if you believe it to be so then ask yourself who respects contracts and intellectual properties, India or China? Who is trustworthy?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

LOL so called joint development is yet another MKI (Pakfa MKI) in the making. This is the reason why we also need programs like AMCA to create tech knowledge base and slowly reduce foren technology in our system in the form of MKIs coming from foren JVs or direct purchase. Russia techs developed using our funds will be sold back to us and will also land into the hands of PLAAF.

It's absolutely needed. They have to go through the painful process. At least India has money this time.

 

[帅的一匹]

The J-21 uses RD-93's and at least one j-20 looks to have AL-31. As for China getting inferior technology, that's questionable and if you believe it to be so then ask yourself who respects contracts and intellectual properties, India or China? Who is trustworthy?

You guys take India for granted, you really think India will stay there and do nothing if they are capable enough to reverse your products? As to RD 93 on J31, it's a temporarily transition. J20 is waiting for WS15 coming soon.

 

[kurup]

You guys take India for granted, you really think India will stay there and do nothing if they are capable enough to reverse your products? As to RD 93 on J31, it's a temporarily transition. J20 is waiting for WS15 coming soon.

We will not reverse engineer the products from any country.If we want any product we will either buy else we will build.

 

[veekysingh]

You guys take India for granted, you really think India will stay there and do nothing if they are capable enough to reverse your products? As to RD 93 on J31, it's a temporarily transition. J20 is waiting for WS15 coming soon.

dude u need to get a life. Even Pakistan use Russian engine on the plane you built. That's say a lot about made by china engine. Stop ranting.

 

[ptltejas]

- Why are we putting so much money for if our contribution will be close to nil as far as technology goes? Russia is developing technology on our cost. I am not against the program, but the hype created around it that we are actually developing some technology that in reality is not true.

- No knowledge transfer only tech transfer that wont enable our Institutions like HAL etc to develop a 5th gen plane. There is a limit to what you can absorb by being just a user.

-what is the point of funding Russian next gen tech programs and later buying products based on those programs. Its very likely that the technologies that we are funding will land into the hands of PLAAF.

- When it comes to our own programs, we are not so generous, especially the IAF.

well bro dont be upset right now even we have not signed and decided anything in the contract.
we are already able to design the fighters from the lesson of LCA which is best fighter from its some quality like the flight software etc. we have experience to design AMCA too. Moreover by plain reading of the above article states that,

"The future plane (PMF) will have not only the same airframe, but also an integrated system of onboard equipment," United Aircraft Corporation president Mikhail Pogosyan said at an aviation show in Bangalore, India.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...cs-future-fighter-official.html#ixzz2KZyQYQyM

so the On-board equipments will only have such sensors. there is also mentioned in the article

"The Indian Su-30MKI has some non-Russian standard avionics systems, but the baseline platform, propulsion and sensors are very much Russian, with final assembly of the aircraft in India."

"The PMF will, I suspect, be to all intents the production standard of the T-50, again perhaps with some non-Russian avionics and systems," Barrie added.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...cs-future-fighter-official.html#ixzz2KZzPuJUz

so the Avionics might be from other country what to worry about. we are already able to make a plane like LCA and we are failed only for the Radar(AESA), Engine. so we need to get info only about that. As we shall have experience of FGFA and Rafale if there is any transfer of technology for the Radar and Engine that will give us the benifit for the area.

Even technology of the transfer of technology is enough we need only that. why to worry that that knowledge is not sufficient. we do not need to built each and every part with them. The airframe of both the plane is of same material which will reduce the cost and save time.

the question is also that whether DRDO wants any help for making its 5 th gen fighter in sectors of the airframe or simple avionics and sensors and on board equipments. from the lesson of the LCA DRDO only need help for the Engine and Radar Except that India is powerful to built other things. And bro Science is very advance once u have any question the 90% questions answer are in technology. as per one electronic engineer there is not more hard. we hope that before making the AMCA we shall be able to built our on superior AESA Radar and Engines.

I am very optimistic about the FGFA as it has to pilots and shair there work. second no need to worry as PLAAF will not be given technology as Rus did not think to help J-10 programme by reveal its knowledge.

http://www.google.co.in/url?q=http://www.dept.aoe.vt.edu/~mason/Mason_f/IntegratedAvionicsSystems.ppt&sa=U&ei=DbcYUdUkiIisB6qNgfAP&ved=0CCQQFjAA&sig2=xTSBwyMWc21mpfVAkcFD_A&usg=AFQjCNED-vn24qz2Wkce75czrQvuMUvgmQ

some power point slides

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

For pak-fa yes, so far it is all Russian. The Fg-fa is another story, the Indians will contribute, in fact the Indians have Stated that they have up to 45 improvements before the Fg-fa can meet Indian Air Force standards.

The timeline should tell you something, if the Fg-fa would just be a pak-fa then Sukhoi would just take the pak-fa name and slap it onto the Fg-fa, instead the Fg-fa is still in the design stage and years away from the first prototype.

So as per Indians, they have contributed the whole project, in form of MONEY as well ? what do u say bout it ?