India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[Ammyy]

France’s Rafale: UAE Deal Back on Boards

Ok they can increase production rate but as I posted fabrication take 24 months per aircraft so they have to start manufacturing all 36 at the same time to deliver them in 2 years.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

But sir, A Rafael (probably even Su-30MKI) could perform low level strike. So Jaguar's role is not irreplaceable.

I am afraid that you are not conversant with the facts. The design of the Jaguar is better optimised for low level performance. The others can fly low, but will not perform as well. Look at the respective wing designs. That is the key, apart from other things.
The Jaguar performs much better at low and slow performance which is key to its role.

 

[Manindra]

Indian lethargy.

The Scorpenes should have been inducted by now, only 1 has been complete. Artillery guns undergoing trials for past 15 years, and will continue to be on trial. Same will be true for Rafale.

Its off shelf , so no problem, main problem is remaining 108.
It may be Jaguar like situation. UK retire their Jaguars in 2004 & we churning out Jaguars from HAL production line till 2008.

28-27 jets a year is not possible. Not unless France is under attack and their economy is on a war footing.

They keep production lowest economical viable due to lack of export orders.
28 aircrafts are not a big deal like France.
You should check F-35 production rate schedule 1 aircraft a day

Ok they can increase production rate but as I posted fabrication take 24 months per aircraft so they have to start manufacturing all 36 at the same time to deliver them in 2 years.

As I previously posted production rate was minimum economical viable due to lack of exports order
Even our HAL churn out massive Su-30 MKI with 15 per year rate.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Its off shelf , so no problem, main problem is remaining 108.

Off the shelf means purchasing fighters already manufactured. Is France so confident that they have already manufactured 36 fighters and waiting for India to come and take them?

And there is no 108. The whole MMRCA deal is scrapped off. India is reportedly in talks for 60 Rafales and that is it.

It may be Jaguar like situation. UK retire their Jaguars in 2004 & we churning out Jaguars from HAL production line till 2008.

No it is not.

They keep production lowest economical viable due to lack of export orders.
28 aircrafts are not a big deal like France.

In modern age, building 28 aircrafts a years is simply NOT possible.

You should check F-35 production rate schedule 1 aircraft a day

You should check the difference in defence budget between US and France. Also the difference in industrial muscle.

 

[Srinivas]

In two years time if India and France agree on MMRCA deal then India can initiate the production setup here, mean while India can train its pilots.

so it took almost 10 years to decide and buy a fighter jet.

For a country like India , it do not make sense to buy fighter jets, we need a solid arms industry and we need R&D.

 

[SuperSubrayan]

@SuperSubrayan
bro, change the title of the thread.

On public demand off cource..

Meri bhai thread is now out of my control MoD should do it I don't see any edit tool for tittle ...

@WebMaster ! @sancho @Oscar ??? CAN YOU REPLACE THE HEADER ? With : India buys 36 Rafale from France ! News and updates .

 

[Manindra]

In modern age, building 28 aircrafts a years is simply NOT possible.

I cannot comment on you such ignorant remark
@MilSpec @sancho @Capt.Popeye @Oscar can you help him

 

[Manindra]

40 years from its first induction and you still can't produce Mig21, just let it crash. well done. don't tell me India stand on the high morale ground and never give shit about reverse it. or you just can't?

the Gap is widening.

PLAAF still have MIG 15 & MIG 19

 

[SuperSubrayan]

Our thread has become Mother of all Threads

 

[Indian Patriot]

I cannot comment on you such ignorant remark
@MilSpec @sancho @Capt.Popeye @Oscar can you help him

It is futile to argue with people blinded on nationalist fervor. Wait and watch, that is the only cure for fools like you. The 36 Rafales will not be inducted before 2020.

 

[indianBong]

India's purchase of 36 French-made Rafale jets unveiled on Friday is not part of a larger order still being negotiated between the two countries, a French defense ministry source said.

The purchase of the Dassault Aviation planes, announced by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi during a visit to Paris, remains "separate from the tender under discussion for three years," the source said.

The value of the larger 126-plance deal being negotiated is estimated to have grown to about $20 billion from an initial $12 billion, primarily because of an Indian requirement that 108 of the jets be built in the country.

India's Rafale jet deal separate from talks on bigger order: source| Reuters

144 from previous 126...... sir, why is this increase???? and what about future procurements of FGFA??

 

[MilSpec]

I cannot comment on you such ignorant remark
@MilSpec @sancho @Capt.Popeye @Oscar can you help him

Not me. I am going to ignore

 

[Rau]

144 from previous 126...... sir, why is this increase???? and what about future procurements of FGFA??

Can we assume increase in number means may delay in induction of FGFA...

 

[indianBong]

Can we assume increase in number means may delay in induction of FGFA...

exactly... thats what i am pointing out.....

 

[Manindra]

It is futile to argue with people blinded on nationalist fervor. Wait and watch, that is the only cure for fools like you. The 36 Rafales will not be inducted before 2020.

Stupidity have no limits
HAL with many manual method produce 15 MKI per year
LM would produce more than 300 F-35 per year
But Dassault with 100 years of experience & advance production technique cannot produce 28 a year

A Reuters report indicates that Dassault Aviation is in talks once more with UAE to replace its fighters. Dassault indicated it could ramp production up from one per month to 2.5 per month in the face of export orders.

France’s Rafale: UAE Deal Back on Boards