India to buy 347 T-90 tanks for Rs 4,900 cr

[IceCold]

And dare I say T-90 would be last tank to imported by India.
IA is conducting trials for setting up the logistics train for Arjun, as we speak.

You forget to mention that T-90 would be the last tank imported by india in this century. Because arjun will be ready by the start of the next century, i can bet on that.

 

[Energon]

If India does succeed in upgrading and reorganizing itself to be a modern military like it's current western allies, then it is unlikely that such large investments in MBTs will ever be made again. Even the USA has stopped making the M1A1 Abrams. Smaller, lighter faster moving armored vehicles like the M2A3 Bradley will be sought instead.

 

[BATMAN]

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If atleast 50% of the components are designed/manufactured locally, the product can be called as indigeneous.

Please, check out the research paper on Arjun at below link:
http://www.ipcs.org/IPCS-Special-Report-23.pdf
It says more than 50% of Arjun's components are imported, hence if we go by your formulae, Arjun is definately not an indigenous tank.
You have all the right to reject the paper by saying it a piece of trash or a writer is a lier.

It would be wrong to call AK as a pakistani tank because it is designed and developed by China. Thomas Alva Edison knew 999 reasons WHY bulb filament is make like it is. But others only know 1 way how it is made. R&D is something similar. You can only duplicate AK, but we can modify Arjun to get Tank-Ex. If you say that you have designed AK we can say we have designed T-90, but both statements are stupid, but the difference is, we dont make stupid statements. And please dont boast about your scientists, did you ever think how a country which has never launched a satellite itself can design missiles which re-enter from space. This itself shows that they have imported the missiles. LOL

I object, OFF Topic. Please, choose relevant threads for your valueable notes.

Also Tank-EX is simply a re-work of the existing hardware to get around the problem of transporting Arjun in the existing Indian infrastructure.
> Tank-Ex is specifically designed to reduce the weight of Arjun which is the prime concern, as it affects the mobility.
Yes, the Indian Army is reluctant to induct the Arjun because of technical issues, this is a good sign, it indicates that we prefer quality weapons. Not like Jf-17. LoL.

Many analysts has been trying to explain this on this forum from long time?
Seems you are first one to agree.

And if you say T-90 is equally powerful as T-72, it only shows your technical in-expertise.

And you are comparing tank with a flying machine???

 

[PAK-FA]

Please, check out the research paper on Arjun at below link:
http://www.ipcs.org/IPCS-Special-Report-23.pdf
It says more than 50% of Arjun's components are imported, hence if we go by your formulae, Arjun is definately not an indigenous tank.
You have all the right to reject the paper by saying it a piece of trash or a writer is a lier.

I object, OFF Topic. Please, choose relevant threads for your valueable notes.

See how **** you are. You talk about Arjun in a forum started for T-90 purchase and you object for off topic. lol

 

[IceCold]

See how stupid you are. And you are advertising your stupidity.

Well with trash like you floating here & there, one has to come down to your level. Anyways i'll keep sir keys sig in my mind next time i try to argue with you i.e never argue with an idiot (like yourself), he'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

 

[PAK-FA]

Please, check out the research paper on Arjun at below link:
http://www.ipcs.org/IPCS-Special-Report-23.pdf
It says more than 50% of Arjun's components are imported, hence if we go by your formulae, Arjun is definately not an indigenous tank.
You have all the right to reject the paper by saying it a piece of trash or a writer is a lier.

I object, OFF Topic. Please, choose relevant threads for your valueable notes.


Many analysts has been trying to explain this on this forum from long time?
Seems you are first one to agree.


And you are comparing tank with a flying machine???

Please read the threads properly before making comments, that was a reply to someone else's comment. BTW, its seems that you agree that JF-17 is low quality product.!!

 

[PAK-FA]

So you do know truth??? and all this report of 124 Arjun sanctioned in 2000 is farce and the reports that 15 tanks delivered in 2005 is fake?

Oh wait a sec those 15 must have come "Indegeniously" from MATA-MANTRA, thats as Indeginous as it comes.

Hats off to your sheer :indigenous" desperation.

BTW, if there is another war, I am waiting for Alkhalid Nagar to be created. Have you heard of patton Nagar?
Khemkaran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am sure some coward will suggest deleting this reply. Thats what you are!!

 

[PAK-FA]

Well with trash like you floating here & there, one has to come down to your level. Anyways i'll keep sir keys sig in my mind next time i try to argue with you i.e never argue with an idiot (like yourself), he'll drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

You just showed you are even more!

 

[blain2]

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If atleast 50% of the components are designed/manufactured locally, the product can be called as indigeneous. It would be wrong to call AK as a pakistani tank because it is designed and developed by China. Thomas Alva Edison knew 999 reasons WHY bulb filament is make like it is. But others only know 1 way how it is made. R&D is something similar. You can only duplicate AK, but we can modify Arjun to get Tank-Ex. If you say that you have designed AK we can say we have designed T-90, but both statements are stupid, but the difference is, we dont make stupid statements. And please dont boast about your scientists, did you ever think how a country which has never launched a satellite itself can design missiles which re-enter from space. This itself shows that they have imported the missiles. LOL

Also Tank-EX is simply a re-work of the existing hardware to get around the problem of transporting Arjun in the existing Indian infrastructure.
> Tank-Ex is specifically designed to reduce the weight of Arjun which is the prime concern, as it affects the mobility.

Yes, the Indian Army is reluctant to induct the Arjun because of technical issues, this is a good sign, it indicates that we prefer quality weapons. Not like Jf-17. LoL.

And if you say T-90 is equally powerful as T-72, it only shows your technical in-expertise.

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Its fine by me if you feel good putting down AK and JF-17. The fact remains that both of these are and will be in service before Arjun and LCA.

As far your point stating "India preferring quality" is concerned, I guess that leaves us to prefer trash , well that remains to be seen. So far, I'd say not bad at all given the capabilities inducted and timelines met in terms of AK and JF-17.

And if you say T-90 is equally powerful as T-72, it only shows your technical in-expertise.

Also please read my post carefully before assuming things about me. My point was about the scale of induction (T-90s will be purchased the same way T-72s were). Not sure where you got this "powerful" connection from??

 

[PAK-FA]

Its fine by me if you feel good putting down AK and JF-17. The fact remains that both of these are and will be in service before Arjun and LCA.

As far India preferring quality and us preferring hay is concerned , that remains to be seen.

If you want me to name imported products like you....
We have the T-90 and Sukhoi 30 MKI's which are more than a match and will eat those little kids.

 

[BATMAN]

See how **** you are. You talk about Arjun in a forum started for T-90 purchase and you object for off topic. lol

And no objections over the issue of 'non-indigenous Arjun'

BTW, we are discussing the content of article not the subject, dummy.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

WHy are we bothering with Trolls and flamers?

Pak-FA has made unsubstantiated statements, personal insults and flames form his first post in this thread.

Buying a foreign tank and calling it indigenous is an easy job.

but the difference is, we dont make stupid statements. And please dont boast about your scientists, did you ever think how a country which has never launched a satellite itself can design missiles which re-enter from space. This itself shows that they have imported the missiles. LOL

Yes, the Indian Army is reluctant to induct the Arjun because of technical issues, this is a good sign, it indicates that we prefer quality weapons. Not like Jf-17. LoL.

And if you say T-90 is equally powerful as T-72, it only shows your technical in-expertise.

See how stupid you are. And you are advertising your stupidity.

 

[BATMAN]

'DRDO took up Arjun before it learnt to make tanks'
George Iype
rediff.com: The DRDO, an investigation

"The Arjun main battle tank is not world class and has failed to meet the required levels of accuracy. But DRDO is keeping it alive because it does not want its factories to close down," says Major General (retd) Ashok Mehta.

Army officers say it is politics and not the tank's potential that is at work in the defence ministry

N K Mohan Pillai, a retired army officer who witnessed the Arjun trials, says the tank lacked three vital strengths. First, its engine is weak. Second, its suspension needs permanent maintenance. Third, its gun control is not accurate enough to obtain first round kill probability.

General Joshi's main concerns were that the tank that weighs 57 tonnes lacked armour protection and vital suspension for crew comfort and gunfire accuracy.

DRDO, which has showcased the Arjun as its finest indigenous product, claims that the problem is not with the tank, but with the army.

"The army is used to handling only T-72 tanks. For the soldiers who have fired T-72 tanks, operating the Arjun is a gigantic task. So we have told the army to train their crew before accusing us of inferior production," a DRDO engineer says.

PAK-FA, will you ride Arjun in next war, it seems IA is definately not willing to do so!

 

[BATMAN]

Will Arjun stand the desert test?
DNA - India - Will Arjun stand the desert test? - Daily News & Analysis

NEW DELHI: The Indian Army has quietly begun rigorous tests of the indigenous Arjun tank in the deserts of Rajasthan. The tests will determine whether the tank will have any significant role in the armoured force of the future.

Trials of two Arjuns, developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) over three decades, are on in the Mahajan field ranges. The trials were to officially begin on Monday.

The DRDO has supplied 14 Arjuns to the Army, of which two are being put to test. These trials are officially supposed to reveal the spare parts requirement to maintain the tanks. DRDO officials are holding their breath.

“They could also raise innumerable objections,” admitted a DRDO scientist. The trials are to go on for about a month, at the end of which Arjun’s future would be known.

If the Army opinion stems in Arjun’s favour, the DRDO could end up with a total order in the range of 250 tanks. Already, an order for 124 is on paper, of which 14 have been delivered.

The Army has kept another 124 “vacant” while going in for a fresh round of T-90 tank purchase a few days ago. India and Russia have signed an approximately $1bn contract for purchase of 347 more T-90 tanks. This is besides the total T-90 order of 310 from Russia and the 1,000 being produced in India at the Heavy Vehicle Factory in Avadi.

Even as the new contract for 347 Russian tanks was placed, the Army has kept the option of another 124 tanks open. If Arjun passes the test, the indigenous tank could be ordered.

Hoping for it, the DRDO is working overtime to develop second-generation Arjuns that could fire own missiles and withstand enemy missile attacks.

The DRDO has in the past successfully fired Israeli missile Lahat from Arjun, but now is confident of developing an indigenous missile that could hit targets over 4km away over the next two years.

Preliminary firings have been conducted. “Now, we will go try with guidance and over the next two years, we should be ready with it,” said a source.

j_josy@dnaindia.net

Can some specialist comment, as to what is the logic of testing a tank in desert in winter?
It seems the ambient temperature tolerance of this tank is very narrow hence neither it can work in hot regions in summer and neither it can be tested in cold regions in winter!

 

[Keysersoze]

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