India To Boost LCA Order; AF Questions Its Capabilities

[zebra7]

ya right so you are really not worried about LCA a fighter that has lesser RCS value than any thing you have has already been tested in all weather day and night and all altiutudes +got DASH HMDS, Lightning3G3 LDP & R73-Python5-Derby-I Derby ER combo and is capable of taking off and landing with full load of wepons on a very short runway even in concitions as harsh as high altitude himalyan air bases like leh.... wonder what do you call that kind of obsession jealousy , paranoia or both

Why wasting so much energy, a plane with aesa radar, Dash HMDS, Hobs like R73,Derby,Python, is very capable platform. Question is how it will perform on the export platform, though it was never meant for the export, but if we for the time being think that India decided to take the LCA on the export market compition.

So how LCA could be marketed

1. LCA with Pulse Doppler Radar/AESA -- with option with Indian (Astra), Russian (R77/R73/), Israeli (python/derby) Package.

2. LCA with the Twin seater trainer, and naval carrier variant also, provides positive effects.

3. If large no. of LCA is inducted in IAF, gives Positive points for the LCA exports

Yours views.

 

[ayesha.a]

India has finally come to earth after the tender for 124 fighters whose costs jumped to $15-20 billion by some accounts. Pakistan prudently assembled/built cost-effective fighter JF-17 and did not match India's foolish grandeur plans. Now LCA Teja whether ready or not will be inducted in IAF.

Umm..and you think India didn't? While Pakistan managed to assemble 50 low tech JF-17s, India was queitly manufacturing MKIs. HAL has already manufactured 140 or so, and will make lots more.

And before that, HAL has manufactured and assembled mig-21s, jaguars etc.

The total number of fighters assembled in India might be 500-1000. You really think Pakistan is even in the same league?

While you assembled 50 thunders in how many years(?), India manufactured one squadron of MKI each year, for a total of 140 and counting. Think about it.

It's ridiculous how you guys believe these narratives, when it is so obviously, ludicrously out of touch with reality.

India has done what Pakistan did, decades ago. It's just that India likes to dream further, and make her own.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Umm..and you think India didn't? While Pakistan managed to assemble 50 low tech JF-17s, India was queitly manufacturing MKIs. HAL has already manufactured 140 or so, and will make lots more

Pakistan did not have infrastructure to build fighters and we are happy with getting US, French and Chinese fighters. The US embargo changed Pakistan's perceptions and we only started seriously in 1995 to design JF-17. While the Indians built Marut in the 1960s.

 

[ayesha.a]

Pakistan did not have infrastructure to build fighters and we are happy with getting US, French and Chinese fighters. The US embargo changed Pakistan's perceptions and we only started seriously in 1995 to design JF-17. While the Indians built Marut in the 1960s.

Yes, yes. The point is that your post was so laughably off the mark. You were boasting how Pakistan cleverly assembled a foreign fighter, while India was too stupid to do so. The fact is that India meanwhile was not just assembling, but manufacturing a beast of a fighter at a squadron a year. Assembling, or even manufacturing, is not an issue at all for India. We don't need to boast about a piddly 50 fighters, when we have assembled/manufactured at least 500. And continue to do so.

India has done, and continues to do a lot more than Pakistan has done. Now read your previous post again, and see how delusional it was.

 

[Donatello]

and that too when it still dosent have FOC nor is it is inducted in numbers ... interesting naa

Woh sab tau theek hai.....but even the Airforce doesn't want this crap.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Woh sab tau theek hai.....but even the Airforce doesn't want this crap.

thats cause there love for foriegn maal but then i wonder why are pakistanies so concerned as wnat IAF wants as in a future secanario it will be PAF who will be at recivieng end from IAF ... or are you trying to go adnan sami way

 

[zebra7]

Woh sab tau theek hai.....but even the Airforce doesn't want this crap.

Dear Sir,

First You are a PDF Think Tank and the following comment don't suit your profile.

Second Who said Airforce IAF don't want LCA

Third How you came to the conclusion that LCA is a Crap.

Last but not the least What makes you post , does this prove your ignorance, or your inferior intelligence.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Why wasting so much energy, a plane with aesa radar, Dash HMDS, Hobs like R73,Derby,Python, is very capable platform. Question is how it will perform on the export platform, though it was never meant for the export, but if we for the time being think that India decided to take the LCA on the export market compition.

So how LCA could be marketed

1. LCA with Pulse Doppler Radar/AESA -- with option with Indian (Astra), Russian (R77/R73/), Israeli (python/derby) Package.

2. LCA with the Twin seater trainer, and naval carrier variant also, provides positive effects.

3. If large no. of LCA is inducted in IAF, gives Positive points for the LCA exports

Yours views.

trust me sirji LCA wont be exported as of now first HAL and the private palyers roped in to manufacture its parts have to fullfil IAF & IN order onli then when indian designed and made AESA, EW suite & avionicks & wepons pakage are fully matured export caould be done niether USA nor israel would be happy to share there cutting edge(engine could be sourced from US though for export) tech for export to third party

 

[Blue Marlin]

at first the lca was a brilliant idea, but due to inefficiencies, delays and problems it lost a lot of its purpose and many are saying it it unless and obsolete (including the iaf) but if you think of it like the fc1. at first the airframe is stock and over time it will be upgraded. this has two purposes first increase the capability the aircraft and also build on experience and technique. the latter 2 are the most important as future projects will be influenced by experience and technique which is something that the government and hal have realized but, the iaf has not . also the iaf is not actively apart of the development of the jet, as compared to their western neighbor (Pakistan).

The difference between the fc1 and lca as many would point out the fc1 began later, developed a lot quicker and was inducted very quickly and with a very excellent service record as well as really excellent reliability.


point being i don't think the government is not bothered about capability as they are more interested in technique and experience. if the development of the jet early on was going quickly and there were not a lot of issues then the capability would be a priority and experience and technique would follow on.

remember the amca is in development, if lessons are not learnt here then the amca would follow the same fate as the lca

 

[GURU DUTT]

at first the lca was a brilliant idea, but due to inefficiencies, delays and problems it lost a lot of its purpose and many are saying it it unless and obsolete (including the iaf) but if you think of it like the fc1. at first the airframe is stock and over time it will be upgraded. this has two purposes first increase the capability the aircraft and also build on experience and technique. the latter 2 are the most important as future projects will be influenced by experience and technique which is something that the government and hal have realized but, the iaf has not . also the iaf is not actively apart of the development of the jet, as compared to their western neighbor (Pakistan).

The difference between the fc1 and lca as many would point out the fc1 began later, developed a lot quicker and was inducted very quickly and with a very excellent service record as well as really excellent reliability.


point being i don't think the government is not bothered about capability as they are more interested in technique and experience. if the development of the jet early on was going quickly and there were not a lot of issues then the capability would be a priority and experience and technique would follow on.

remember the amca is in development, if lessons are not learnt here then the amca would follow the same fate as the lca

but the super duper FC1 still cant drop even dump bombs at night forget PGMs and LGBs nor could it use its cannon while flying while LCA is already tested in all weather day & night conditions and on every altitude and tested again and again with all kinds of PGMs, LGBs and intigrated with DASH HMDS, Lightning3 G3 LDP & El-2032 & Python5, Derby & I derby ER & R73 missiles but still you can dream on ... dont worry there are close to 120 LCAs already on order just let it get FOC and then see how indians can churn owt this baby till then keep carrasing your ego by saying so what LCA has all those capabilities there are 50+ FC1s flying .... cheers mate

 

[kaykay]

Airforce is right in questioning HALs capabilities to deliver it timely. Aircraft itself is good and gonna challenge anything of its generation coming in its way with AESA and BVR. Also apart from aircraft, experience( successes and mistakes) gained in project will play a big role in future projects.

 

[Blue Marlin]

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[GURU DUTT]

so when they dont have any decent answer some try to intimidate by bringing in comparrison .... waise who did such a comaprisson

 

[Blue Marlin]

but the super duper FC1 still cant drop even dump bombs at night forget PGMs and LGBs nor could it use its cannon while flying while LCA is already tested in all weather day & night conditions and on every altitude and tested again and again with all kinds of PGMs, LGBs and intigrated with DASH HMDS, Lightning3 G3 LDP & El-2032 & Python5, Derby & I derby ER & R73 missiles but still you can dream on ... dont worry there are close to 120 LCAs already on order just let it get FOC and then see how indians can churn owt this baby till then keep carrasing your ego by saying so what LCA has all those capabilities there are 50+ FC1s flying .... cheers mate

thats the problem. your trying to run before you can walk. pac is upgrading the jet incrementally whilst hal is going all out. the blk3 will have a targeting pod and either a selex or a Chinese aesa radar.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Raghuvanshi from defense news always writes something which is a bit controversial.. After all that helps his earnings via clicks

On topic, its true lca is not having a very maintainence friendly systems sub systems ATM. Of course getting the feedback for easier maintainence was one of the few key points from initial birds handed over to iaf. If I recall, iaf did suggest some changes in double digits for easier maintainence and that's being incorporated. One has to understand a bird under test for such a long time won't get the "friendliness" in maintainence part from day 1. So I don't feel maintainence nightmare would be a correct and apt description in coming produced jets especially as IAF feedback helps that in a big way.

About quality well I won't say HAL products are at same league like US or French but its more of the fact that India as a country purchasing power increased over last two decades but we have not transformed HAL in the same time zone. I don know about one part of one bird not able to fit to another.. That seems a bit exaggerated especially bcz parts are produced in a common pool not customised for a specific bird with different specs. It's like saying each maruti car is different in length and front left door of a maruti car cannot fit into another maruti car of same model. May I remind such stupid people that HAL aero parts are not made with hammer an tongs that each part is unique and different. This part of the article is definitely classless and is just providing ammo and pleasing the import lobby and foreign aero manufacturer.

About LCA being forced to IAF I think ppl here are not realising that with 150+ FGFA frames and over 35 bn $ spending to be done, its sensible to order lca to start it rolling and then concentrate on the rafales,super 30 etc programs. The capability of lca is no doubt very good but its role in Indian doctrine is very limited and that's where its gonna be an excellent low cost platform. Ppl forget lca is not a dpsa but rather point defender + close air support ... The armaments is more than enough .. And so is new radar and capabilities.. I only see one issue is the private ecosystem supplying to manufacture lca and production rate of 16.. That I really believe should have been 24-30 birds a year..

Haters may hate but we have to be honest.. 200-300 lca will surely fly.. How quickly is the key point.. Not why lca which is now meaningless to ask and keep analysing..

BTW any news of new GE 404 orders.. I do remember some 99 ge 404 engines only
. for 120 mark1a we do require 2 engines per bird so around 240.... Any news on that.. It's suppose to be assembled in chikan pune plant.. Not sure of any tot or any hot weather tech sharing part.. If anyone can give more on this, would appreciate a lot