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India summons Iran envoy to protest remarks on Kashmir

Unlike many people believe International relations don't go like "i need you more than you need me, so to hell with you". No country want's bad relations with another country. Issue crop up when interest clash. When you refer to alternate route for AF via Iran keep in mind the isolation Iran is facing. India is a strong regional player and Iran would not like to loose support of India especially at this stage. US is tightening the knot on Iran and Russia/China are also not showing the level of support that they used to shover. In short how much Iran will gain by supporting cause of Kashmir and how much it will loose is no brainer. In short a demarche has been issued and India has abstained from Voting. The message has been loud and clear, we did not like what you did, we are refraining from voting against you however we are not voting in favor of you... Think about your priorities and keep in mind there will be repercussions in case you poke your nose in our sensitive issue....

I want to say that your international relations are so conservative.

US will not going to attack on Iran because he understand that to attack on Iranian nuclear spots means attack on Russian nuclear plant and US will avoid any direct conflicts with Russia and more over this is an another mover to set control on region and china never will like this move. India already has lost the favors of Iran to give vote in UNSC against Iran so what you are looking for? Russian help to Iran is going in progress without any measures of sanctions, just read about Iranian made S-300 M and deployment of S-300 abkhazia & Azrbaijan for what all is this? US never can get a hopeful answer from Russia against Iran except ban over the direct sale of S-300 to Iran.
Russia already has converted its natural resources to China from EU and EU will not like to loose his 2nd main oil & gas supplier. Iran is going to construct pipe line to China through Pakistan and where I think this all bullshit is going only to cover and occupy Iranian natural resources and supply it to EU & America without any resistance. Don’t forget the example of Iraq.
Where concerns India than I want to say that India want to wash his hands same from all but it is hard to reality. So tell me why India could not say that they are in side of Iran about Iranian Nuclear program? Unless India is voting against Iran and then he is requiring a full-fledged support from Iran to ‘disputed Jammu & Kashmir’! How cute


Pressuring Iran and threatening further sanctions over its nuclear programme would be counter-productive, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says.

Speaking after talks in Moscow with US counterpart Hillary Clinton, Mr Lavrov said every effort should be made to continue negotiations.

His comments appeared to fall short of the tougher commitment sought by Washington towards Iran.

But Mrs Clinton praised Russia for its help on the issue.

The US secretary of state, in Moscow at the end of a five-day European tour, told a joint news conference with Mr Lavrov that Russia had "been extremely co-operative in the work that we have done together" on Iran.

Iran says its nuclear programme is for peaceful energy purposes, but the US and other Western nations believe it is seeking nuclear weapons.

Tehran revealed last month that it had a second uranium plant, further raising questions about the nature of its nuclear ambitions.

'No requests'

Ahead of Mrs Clinton's visit, a US official had suggested she would ask Russian leaders about "specific forms of pressure" that Moscow would be prepared to back if talks failed.

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The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes
Rupert Wingfield-Hayes, BBC News, Moscow

Last month President Medvedev told President Obama sanctions against Iran might be "inevitable". But on Tuesday the Russians seemed less enthusiastic.

Iran has agreed to open more of its nuclear enrichment facilities to international inspection. That has taken the pressure off Russia, for now.

Behind the scenes there are powerful factions vying for control of Russia's Iran policy.

Russia's arms makers and their Kremlin allies are pro-Iran. They want to sell weapons to the Islamic Republic. Nor do they fear a nuclear armed Iran. They do not believe Russia will be a target.

But there is also an increasingly powerful pro-Israel faction in the Kremlin. Analysts say a new strategic and military partnership is being built with Jerusalem. Over a million Russian speakers now live in Israel.

At present Moscow is happy to wait and see what happens. But Tehran can no longer take Moscow's support for granted.

But Mrs Clinton said no requests had been made.

"We did not ask for anything today. We reviewed the situation and where it stood, which I think was the appropriate timing for what this process entails," she said.

The US was not seeking further sanctions pending talks between big powers and Iran, she added, but could do so "in the absence of significant progress and assurance that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons".

Mr Lavrov, for his part, said "all efforts" should be made to maintain dialogue with Iran.

"We are convinced that threats, sanctions, and threats of pressure in the present situation are counter-productive," he said.

The BBC's Rupert Wingfield-Hayes in Moscow says Mrs Clinton was looking for a solid commitment from Mr Lavrov, but did not get one.

Both Mr Lavrov and Mrs Clinton also said there had been considerable progress in talks on a new treaty to reduce the two countries' nuclear arsenals.

Mrs Clinton later met President Dmitry Medvedev at his Barvikha residence, but she will not meet Russia's powerful Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin.

He is in China for talks focusing on trade, but also expected to raise the nuclear programmes of Iran and North Korea.

No quid pro quo

President Barack Obama, who met Mr Medvedev in July, has pledged to reset relations with Russia.

Dmitry Medvedev and Barack Obama (July 2009)

Iran on defensive over secret site
UN sanctions against Iran
Iran and the nuclear issue

A month ago, following the revelations about Iran's second uranium enrichment facility, the Russian president said his government might ultimately accept further sanctions as inevitable.

Since then, Mr Obama has met a key Russian demand to scrap plans to deploy interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar station in the Czech Republic as part of a US missile defence system in Europe.

The US administration insisted it did not expect concessions in return.

But US officials have called on Russia to support, or at least not oppose, the idea of the UN Security Council imposing tougher sanctions on Iran if it fails to live up to its international obligations.

The council wants Iran to end uranium enrichment and has approved three rounds of sanctions - including bans on Iran's arms exports and all trade in nuclear material.
 
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I want to say that your international relations are so conservative.
Really???? OK let's see your reasoning...

US will not going to attack on Iran because he understand that to attack on Iranian nuclear spots means attack on Russian nuclear plant and US will avoid any direct conflicts with Russia and more over this is an another mover to set control on region and china never will like this move.
Are you naive or pretending to be??? Anyways just to let you know Russia/China along with India don't want a nuclear Iran. B/W if US wants to act they will irrespective of what rest of world thinks. Make no mistake on that...However i am not sure how is all this related to topic in hand????

India already has lost the favors of Iran to give vote in UNSC against Iran so what you are looking for?
And then you called us conservative. Dude voting is not a zero-sum game. The way India voting in favor for them don't make us great friends the same way voting agaisnt them don't make us enemy. Look the message is clear, we don't want a nuclear Iran, also we don't want sanctions on iran...Which part of this is not clear to you....

Russian help to Iran is going in progress without any measures of sanctions, just read about Iranian made S-300 M and deployment of S-300 abkhazia & Azrbaijan for what all is this? US never can get a hopeful answer from Russia against Iran except ban over the direct sale of S-300 to Iran.
This is very naive view....B/W what has India done apart from voting against them??? B/W you know that Russia and China both voted against them, right???? Banning a sale which was approved years back is not such a small thing, the way you are portraying....


Russia already has converted its natural resources to China from EU and EU will not like to loose his 2nd main oil & gas supplier.
And that is why not only them implied UN sanctions over Iran but also unilateral sanctions...buddy you might wanna read a bit more on this subject....

Iran is going to construct pipe line to China through Pakistan and where I think this all bullshit is going only to cover and occupy Iranian natural resources and supply it to EU & America without any resistance.
What???? Please update your knowledge. IPC pipeline is been scrapped for now. After studying Project feasibilty China has opted out of this project....


Don’t forget the example of Iraq.
Where concerns India than I want to say that India want to wash his hands same from all but it is hard to reality. So tell me why India could not say that they are in side of Iran about Iranian Nuclear program? Unless India is voting against Iran and then he is requiring a full-fledged support from Iran to ‘disputed Jammu & Kashmir’! How cute
What are you talking about dude??? India has made it ample clear that we are against nuclear Iran. Similarly we are against sanctions on Iran. All the votings are done based on this hard fact. This time we abstained from voting because Iran poked into our internal affairs. Having said that this issue will be resolved amicably
 
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This is getting out of hand. This is essentially an insignificant remark since Khomeini doesn't even mention India by name. He direct his statement at the US and Israel NOT the Indians.

if they mention tibet or tiwan instead of k-word with out taking name of china..... do you think china would remain quite and would not protest??:what:
 
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Which is why we voted against the U.N. sanctions on Iran. Which is also why we are debating the missile shield issue. Which is also why we have military exercises with China. Which is why we cut relations with Israel. Since you know we can't do anything without Obama :disagree:


Good for you but you think you can take military action without US support being in NATO? me thinks not
 
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if they mention tibet or tiwan instead of k-word with out taking name of china..... do you think china would remain quite and would not protest??:what:

No foreign governments says anything about Tibet or Taiwan. The press and journalists can say whatever they want but they are just journalists and the press.

Has India said anything official about either of those places?
 
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Yes and Khamnaei is so scared of india now..they must have realized who is their real friend through thick and thin..Pakistan helped them with capture of CIA / NATO backed terrorist ring leader as well nuclear ambitions..what did india contribute other than making a fast buck?
 
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Are you naive or pretending to be??? Anyways just to let you know Russia/China along with India don't want a nuclear Iran. B/W if US wants to act they will irrespective of what rest of world thinks. Make no mistake on that...However i am not sure how is all this related to topic in hand????

Oh really…, I am surprised to listen such words from a country who itself in status of NON NPT, you have to know that Russia and China ever said that they want to resolve this problem by negotiations and they by passing these sanction on particular demands to US requests to join him on sanctions on Iran.
Ok tell me how you could detect seriousness of the vote of Russia & China where 1st provided AR with continuous injections of AMs & assistance and second helping to increase military arsenals? May be have to look whole of this with open eyes! Doesn’t?

“The Obama administration succeeded in securing support for sanctions from the council's permanent members, including China and Russia, by watering it down to ensure it would not impair their ability to trade with Iran and by including explicit assurances that it would not be used a pretext for future military action. But the four-year-long campaign to rein in Iran's nuclear program faced a new challenge from regional powerhouses, Brazil and Turkey, who have used the Iran crisis to assert their role on the diplomatic stage.”

And then you called us conservative. Dude voting is not a zero-sum game. The way India voting in favor for them don't make us great friends the same way voting agaisnt them don't make us enemy. Look the message is clear, we don't want a nuclear Iran, also we don't want sanctions on iran...Which part of this is not clear to you....

*Of course why not, Because you are looking all this story from US eyes not your own, India don’t want Iran as nuclear power because of Iran is an Islamic country or you are feeling fear from two neighbored containing atomic power? And where I understand, India using US to resolve this future threat. You are in fear that in future there will be 1 more Islamic state possessing nuclear arsenals?!*

Iran has total right to defend his country as he want, and playing with your supposed ally or friend!

Just read and then tell me what your international relations give conclusion over this.

“While Iran may have some regional ambitions, and the US might be attempting to contain them, there could be an even wider geopolitical game being played here.
both Russia and China depend heavily on the Middle East for oil (China more so). China is already seen by some in US policy circles as the real threat to US global dominance in years to come, and is the nation to possibly contain or constrain.
In that context, dominance over the Middle East region may be a way to prevent or manage China’s rise somewhat.
The United States is and must remain the world’s preeminent power, if need be by using its superior military might. One of the two powers with the ability to emerge as a rival—China—depends vitally on the Persian Gulf and Central Asia for its future supply of oil; the other—Russia—is heavily engaged in Iran, Central Asia, and the Caucasus region. Therefore, if the United States can secure a dominant position in the Gulf, it will have an enormous advantage over its potential challengers. Call it zero-sum geopolitics: Their loss is our gain.
… The administration and many of its supporters are apparently ready to take the gamble that after an armed confrontation with Iran, a moderate, pro-American regime might emerge from the wreckage.
… Not surprisingly, Russia and China have a different perspective. Moscow and Beijing, neither of which wants Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, nevertheless do not see Tehran as a threat. To them, the country’s vast reserves of oil and natural gas make it a natural ally. Both Russian and Chinese oil companies had enormous development and supply contracts with Baghdad under Saddam Hussein, deals that are worthless in an Iraq controlled by the United States. They might be forgiven for thinking that Iran, too, would be off-limits to them if Bush succeeds.
For China’s economic future, Iran and the region are essential.
… Since 2001, Russia and China have watched America’s heavy-handed push into the Middle East and Central Asia with suspicion and alarm. Together, they and four Central Asian countries—Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan—have created the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a regional security body that has emerged as a counterweight to U.S. influence in the region.
… Meanwhile, U.S. relations with both China and Russia are edging toward outright hostility. With Beijing, the administration has maintained cordial ties, in part because Big Business depends so heavily on China. But many Bush officials have an innate distrust, even loathing, of China, especially in the office of Vice President Cheney, who in 2001 drew several of his top aides from the staff of a strongly anti-China congressional committee pursuing allegations that Beijing had stolen state secrets during the Clinton administration.
Parallels to Iraq have not gone unnoticed, either. Russia and China were amongst those that lost out heavily when Saddam Hussein’s regime was toppled in neighboring Iraq, so they may be seeing increasingly direct US action in the region as an attempt to gain further influence and dominance over a region that is so vital for them.
… the parallels with the year before the invasion of Iraq are startling.
• In addition to exaggerating the nuclear threat, the administration has been accusing Iran of harboring Al Qaeda fugitives and supporting bin Laden’s movement, though there is little or no evidence to support these claims.
• As in Iraq, Washington is sinking millions of dollars into propaganda efforts and alliances with dubious exile groups; according to a recent State Department planning document, the United States is busily setting up Iran intelligence and mobilization centers in Dubai, Istanbul, Frankfurt, London, and Azerbaijan to work with “Iranian expatriate communities.”
• Elizabeth Cheney, the daughter of the vice president and a top State Department official, is overseeing a program to spend $85 million on support for dissidents in Iran and to pay for anti-Iran propaganda. She has helped create a brand-new Office of Iranian Affairs at the State Department, and she reportedly supervises an office called the Iran-Syria Operations Group.
• As with Iraq, U.S. officials—realizing that U.N. support for an attack on Iran is nil—are talking openly about bypassing the world body and forging yet another “coalition of the willing” to confront Iran.
• And, of course, as with Iraq, there is the escalating rhetoric, the talk of “all options” being on the table, the news of Special Forces already operating in the country to foment civil conflict.”

Ok lets come to the topic, I know that Iran will not be a enemy of India while India voted against Iran but it shows perspectives of relations towards Iran and you have to think about it. So after all this if you are supposed that Iran will not be your enemy then let me say that after giving remarks on Kashmir, same Iran will not to be a enemy of India but…friend! am I right? So you have no reasons to protest.

This is very naive view....B/W what has India done apart from voting against them??? B/W you know that Russia and China both voted against them, right???? Banning a sale which was approved years back is not such a small thing, the way you are portraying....


“Even a powerful country like India was threatened by the US Ambassador, David Mulford, who publicly declared in January 2006 that there would be no US–India nuclear deal if India did not vote against Iran in the Board. Stephen Rademaker, the then Assistant Secretary for Non-Proliferation and Global Security, boasted a year later in a public meeting that India 's vote was coerced by the US.”
“Israeli and American threats of using military aggression against Iran should remind us of the fundamental charge against the Nazi leaders in their trials after the Second World War. The Nuremberg Tribunal, which brought Hitler's henchmen to justice for their wars of aggression, asserted : “War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone, but affect the whole world. To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
And you are going to part of this game only to stand against china at US back help.
This is known to everybody that if something is going to be done and if there are hurdles than there are many ways to bypass stoppers or stones. Point to be noted.

I think this is enough to say in return!

And that is why not only them implied UN sanctions over Iran but also unilateral sanctions...buddy you might wanna read a bit more on this subject....

25 Sep 2010 ... Russia opposes unilateral sanctions against Iran, placed on the Islamic Republic for its refusal to cease its uranium enrichment program, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Saturday according to a Reuters report.

Speaking of unilateral sanctions on Russian television, Lavrov said "they are a violation, even without mentioning the legal aspect of the issue."
-China on Thursday expressed its opposition to unilateral sanctions against Iran.

"We hope relevant parties can stick to diplomatic efforts and seek an effective resolution through dialogue and negotiations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu told a regular press briefing.

What???? Please update your knowledge. IPC pipeline is been scrapped for now. After studying Project feasibilty China has opted out of this project....

Well, but its not out of papers and china still holding top buyers of Iranian oil directly. If you have some statics.


What are you talking about dude??? India has made it ample clear that we are against nuclear Iran. Similarly we are against sanctions on Iran. All the votings are done based on this hard fact. This time we abstained from voting because Iran poked into our internal affairs. Having said that this issue will be resolved amicably

I already have answer above, why you are against nuclear Iran. Read *
 
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