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India strikes back at nuclear protesters

You see my highlighted word for major - there were minor protests since 1980s - but it became significant since 2011 - but I do not believe it is due to free internet - free internet would mean you would have had the support of people in other parts of the country - you have significant opposition in the Tamilnadu state itself - Especially with the 8 hour powercuts in TN.

mate-the free internet i was talking about is just an example. there are so many other media to spread the news. for example even a major incidentlike Mr. Rajiv Gandhi's assaniation reached mass public in the next day only through the news paper. in the same sense if a protest is carried in a remote part of the country and that too if news papers didnt publish do u think it will come to your knowledge?? just because the things dont come to your knowledge doesnt mean it didnt happen. internet and many other sources are available these days to know about the hazards of nuclear accidents but in 1980's do u think such facility would have been there? only a science graduate can understand these things but then what was the literacy rate?

the Tamilan mentality is that we will accept anything just to satisfy the need for that hour without goig deep into it and later
if something happens we will cry and blame someone else for the mistake...



Are you talking about Tirunelveli district where KK is located or Kanyakumari district? The Tirunelveli district's literacy rate is on par with the literacy rate of TN.
im talking all three districts combined ie TUT, TVL and KKumari. also i would add even without any binoculars and zoomings devices u can see the KKNP with your bare eyes from Kanyakumari.


Kalpakkam is where the research plants including the fast breeder research plant and indigenous plants are - which would mean greater risk than Koodankulam - the difference is in IT terms, code development happens in Kalpakkam while you have an advanced bug fixed code. In nuclear plant terms, you can understand the risk with Kalpakkam - compared to that, Koodankulam is an advanced nuclear plant with additional safety features like solar panel based eletricity backup provided after learning from Fukushima disaster.
OK agreed its a bug fixed matured code and all backup stuffs were there which means 99%there wont be an accidents. but the question is why the Russians are not taking the liablity? why they are afraid of mere 1% chances?? if yourself and your family is in a place and somebody is building something that is hazardous and if they are not taking accountability will you have a unscared life??? the things im talking are just personal because this is my situation.


While I do not want to comment about the people of Bombay taking chances, Again there are no statistics supporting the cancer argument - it is straight out of Udayakumar's one of the argument points. He has not provided any supporting evidence for that.

And for your information, Fukushima had disaster built-in due to the greedy corporate nature of the Tokyo power company which ignored and falsified reports - Koodankulam safety assessment was done by several neutral agencies including experts from various IITs - about 7000 man hours were spent by these agencies.

Do not have time now to go through the details but will provide it over the weekend or some other day.

again bro you are talking about statistics but we are living here and we are seeing cancer deaths everyday... my mother and two other person from the same street died of cancer just two years back.


also this plant was originally planned in cochin but why did the kerala govt and people rejected it in the first place are they not educated or they dont need electricity or they dont want development??? what was the reason elites????
 
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also this plant was originally planned in cochin but why did the kerala govt and people rejected it in the first place are they not educated or they dont need electricity or they dont want development??? what was the reason elites????

When? any source. As for electricity Kerala is almost fully self-sufficient with some powercuts only in summer. 8 hours powercut is unheard of in Kerala.
 
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Dear trinity,
If you continue like this it would not take time for you to reach 1 millionth post this month itself.

Anyway, just out of curiosity, what is your age and your educational qualification [more importantly from where you got your education]. If you are kind enough to let us know that without some smarta$$ comments and posts longer than the whole of TOI with the usual crap additional newsletters, we would be very thankful of you.


Good day buddy.



LMAO...hey I have no problems with nuclear energy and I definitely want India to succeed. I am just concerned about safety. We all know gov;t has a lot to do to improve security, safety, education, etc. I only upset co we started during Independence with many good intentions and let corruption and cheap politics side track us. Its time to start selecting just and corrupt free politicans. Nuclear energy can make a huge difference in India, there is no question about it. But instead of allowing some scumbags to profit without taking the necessary steps to ensure the common mans safety is a NO NO. We should and ahve to strive to be better than first world nations......pass laws to make our security stringent. Stop doing everything half *** and instead of following the leader, BE THE LEADER> I went nuts to prove a point. We don;t need folks hoodwinking us. We need thoughtful, insightful answers and solutions,


The question is who wants to know.

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Nuclear power is pure devilry

We in parish land are also against nuclear power plants.We are proud of our unreasoned opposition to nuclear power.

We do not care whether the whole state of Tamilnadu goes without power .

It does not matter to us that the major sesmic fault from which an strong earthquake or an Tsunami could emerge is more than 2000 nautical miles away.We don't care that the nuclear plant is shielded from Tsunami waves by Island of Sri-Lanka.We can always argue that Tsunami could emerge in Arabian Sea irrespective of the fact that western edge of Indian Ocean is a Divergent plate boundary which does not produce earthquakes but "our parish knows best ".

In our parish land we view the commie newspaper hindu with great deference.To us the op-ed written by our confused communist brothers are equivalent to scientific papers.If that won't cut ice we could always point to some blog written by a reporter carrying geiger counter or by an oped written by a reporter of oilprice in minyaville.

Even though there may not be even a single scientific study to prove that nuclear power plants in vicinity leads to increase in cancer cases but like true blue blooded leftists we can always try to overwhelm people with pointless op-eds which take reference of blue moon events to argue their case.We can always argue what if yeti descends from kanchenjunga and knocks down the nuclear power plant.

we also have a grudge that India does not have an FDA like organisation irrespective of the fact that in India weights and measures under whom quality control department comes is in state list.

If nothing helps we could always rely on our sister organisations like Greenpeace to categorise even civil accidents in nuclear plants as nuclear accidents.Even though not even a single person had died in those accidents due to high level of radiations.After all it is our sole aim to show Nuclear power in bad light.

We have played this game successfully in Three miles Island and again in fushikuma and would play it again in India.

We the United Association of doofuses know best not those stupid scientists who waste their whole life pursuing a useless degree and not devoting it to higher causes.


You can mock me all you want but I already tackled all your "points" in earlier posts in this very tread. Just go back and you'll see why your points simply don;t add up.
 
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Time to scrap Koodankulam and start focusing on renewable energy
By Sam Rajappa
15 Mar 2012
Sam RajappaPosted 19-Oct-2011
Vol 2 Issue 41

It was uncharacteristic of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, known to sit on pressing issues in the hope the problems would vanish, to tell an anti-nuclear delegation from Tamil Nadu on their face that he will not order stoppage of work at the Koodankulam Nuclear Project being set up by Russia, pending convincing the agitating people of the area about the safety of the VVER-1000 MWe reactors.

Seeking Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa’s co-operation for completing the project, he said sudden stoppage of work could impede the State’s development and industrialisation.
Posters and banners describing the harmful effects of nuclear radiation have appeared all over Koodankulam

In a letter to Jayalalithaa, he assured that the atomic power project will not threaten the safety or the livelihood of the people of Koodankulam and promised to depute a committee of experts to dispel the people’s fears.

Ever since Rajiv Gandhi and the then USSR President, Mikhail Gorbachev, signed an Inter-Governmental Agreement on 20 November, 1988, to construct two VVER-1000 MWe units at Koodankulam in Thirunelveli district of Tamil Nadu, the people of the area under the banner of People’s Movement Against Nuclear Energy have been agitating against the project.

They have heard enough homilies on the safety and advantages of nuclear power from sarkari scientists but were unconvinced. A rustic team from Koodankulam was even taken to the Kalpakkam power plant near Chennai to show them how safe and beautiful the project was and how happily people were living in its vicinity.

What these simple people have been asking and the government has not been able to give a convincing answer is: “Isn’t there a simpler and safer way of boiling water to produce steam to turn turbines that generate electricity?”

The Russian-aided nuclear power plant was actually meant for Kerala. The erstwhile Soviet Union had a special relationship with Kerala, the first Indian State to elect a Communist government.

It even had a cultural centre in Thiruvananthapuram without having a consulate there. Kerala, blessed with a number of swift flowing rivers, was entirely dependent on hydroelectric power.

As demand for electricity grew, it planned a mega hydroelectric project in the ecologically sensitive Silent Valley. The Union government withheld environmental clearance.

It was then the USSR government came forward to set up a 2000-MWe nuclear power plant in the State with the option of raising its capacity to 8000 MWe in stages.

The main attraction of the offer was a “binding commitment” to supply enriched uranium fuel for the lifetime of the reactors at a time the Nuclear Supplier Group was barred from selling enriched uranium to India.

The USA tried to scuttle the aagreement. Gorbachev stood firm. A place near Kothamangalam in Kochi was selected to set up India’s largest civil nuclear power plant.

The enlightened people of Kothamangalam rose in revolt and the site was abandoned. The Kerala government then chose the remote Kasaragod district in the north. The response of the people there was hostile to the idea of a nuclear power plant in their midst.

New Delhi, faced with increasing nuclear isolation after the first Pokran blast, did not want to forgo the Soviet offer and zeroed in on Koodankumam, a fishing hamlet in south Tamil Nadu, on the assumption the soft-spoken Tamil people could be ‘managed.’

Only a few years earlier Indira Gandhi had gifted a part of Ramanathapuram district, Kachchatheevu, to Sri Lanka to help out her counterpart in the island republic, Srimavo Bandaranaike, tide over a difficult phase in her political career, without any serious protest from the State government.

If locating a nuclear power plant is not good for Kerala, how could it be good for Tamil Nadu? New Delhi should shed this idea of taking Tamil Nadu for granted.

However safe the Koodankulam project might be, nuclear power involves radiation exposure at all stages of its fuel cycle, from uranium mining and fuel fabrication to reactor operation and maintenance, to spent-fuel handling, storage and re-processing.

Reactors leave a toxic trail of high-level radioactive wastes which remain hazardous for thousands of years.

Nuclear power is exorbitantly expensive if all the hidden costs are taken into account. That is why the private sector has not come forward to set up nuclear power plants.
The protest against the nuclear project is growing stronger by the day with more women and children taking to the streets

For all the claims of in-built safety measures, India has no independent authority that can evolve safety standards and regulate reactors for safety. The industry acknowledges that nuclear power carries high risks of damage but wants government, that is, the public, to subsidise and absorb them

India’s CANDU type nuclear power reactors release massive quantities of radioactive pollution on a daily basis. Tritium gets into air, rivers and the sea in the form of radioactive water.

It contaminates food and drinking water, and it is easily absorbed into our body. Tritium is a carcinogen and it causes birth defects. It replaces ordinary non-radioactive hydrogen and travels throughout the body, going wherever water goes.

It becomes part of our DNA and that is where it does its damage. Tritium decays within our body, ejecting high velocity beta particles that can break the chemical bonds of our DNA. The result can be cancer or birth defects.

A developing foetus is particularly susceptible to damage from exposure to radiation. There are higher rate of childhood leukemia near nuclear plants due to chronic exposure to radioactive pollution to reactors. The Department of Atomic Energy effectively uses the Press Information Bureau of the government of India to suppress accidents that do happen in our nuclear establishments.

News about “the worst accident in the four decade DAE experience,” according to their own admission, which took place at the Kalpakkam power plant on 21 January a few years ago in which six workers were exposed to an overdose of radiation, took eight months to come out. Secrecy surrounds all our atomic establishments.

Public opinion has turned against nuclear power generation all over the world following the Fukushima Daiichi and Chernobyl disasters. While the full impact of Fukushima is yet to be assessed, considered the worst in the history of nuclear disasters, the radioactive fallout from the 26 April, 1986, explosion in the Chernobyl nuclear reactor in Ukraine was 200 times greater than the nuclear bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The exact number of casualty is a matter of controversy, but according to a UN report, nine million people had been affected and an area of 155,000 sq. km. in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia is still severely contaminated.

Governments from around the world had pledged $785 million to seal the stricken reactor within a 20,000-tonne steel shield, large enough to enclose London’s St. Paul’s Cathedral, designed to prevent any further radiation from escaping for the next 100 years.

The shield is intended to stay in place until the Ukrainian government finds a permanent storage facility for the 200 tonnes of uranium and one tonne of radioactive plutonium still inside the crippled Chernobyl plant.

The widely held belief that global warming can be prevented by switching to nuclear power is not true. In a well documented book “Nuclear Power is Not the Answer to Global Warming or Anything Else,” Dr Helen Caldicott points out that if a detailed accounting of CO2 emissions is made during all the phases of nuclear power generation, including both construction and decommissioning of the plant, together with mining, transportation and refinement of uranium ore, the CO2 emissions are seen to be comparable with those produced by a coal-fired power plant.

“Scientific American” has recently come out with a plan to power 100 per cent of the world with renewable energy. It argues with figures how renewable future is feasible without fossil fuels of any kind or nuclear energy.

It proposes that 51 per cent of energy could be provided through 3.8 million wind turbines of five megawatts capacity each. All these giant windmills together with mandatory intervening spaces would occupy only one per cent of the earth’s surface.

For solar energy, it suggests a mix of 30 per cent from rooftop panels on buildings and 70 per cent contributed by 89,000 photovoltaic and concentrated solar power plants of 300 megawatts each, which would take no more than 0.33 per cent of the earth’s surface.

Balance could be obtained from 900 hydroelectric stations out of which 70 per cent are already in place. Development of geo-thermal and tidal energy could be explored simultaneously.

The plan gives a grand vision of how energy requirements can be met sustainably.

Manmohan Singh need not despair that there is no clean future without exposing future generations to the grave dangers the nuclear energy option poses.

Sam Rajappa is Consulting Editor of The Weekend Leader. The above article first appeared in The Statesman

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LMAO...hey I have no problems with nuclear energy and I definitely want India to succeed. I am just concerned about safety. We all know gov;t has a lot to do to improve security, safety, education, etc. I only upset co we started during Independence with many good intentions and let corruption and cheap politics side track us. Its time to start selecting just and corrupt free politicans. Nuclear energy can make a huge difference in India, there is no question about it. But instead of allowing some scumbags to profit without taking the necessary steps to ensure the common mans safety is a NO NO. We should and ahve to strive to be better than first world nations......pass laws to make our security stringent. Stop doing everything half *** and instead of following the leader, BE THE LEADER> I went nuts to prove a point. We don;t need folks hoodwinking us. We need thoughtful, insightful answers and solutions,


The question is who wants to know.




You can mock me all you want but I already tackled all your "points" in earlier posts in this very tread. Just go back and you'll see why your points simply don;t add up.

Do agree with you on the safety issue.
The govt has learned its lesson from Bhopal. If something goes wrong, the Party is power can kiss their a$$ goodbye as they would never be back in power for a quarter of a century at least in today's time and information era.
That is the reason why both the Party in power and the Opposition will make sure that there will be proper safety mechanisms in place before they even start the plant. There will be no place to hide for the Politicians if something goes wrong. It would be counter productive for them as they will loose their most beloved part of democracy - voters who can be bought on the least amount of money.

So out of their own selfish desires, the safety can be considered to be significant.

Also the radiological disaster happening most probably would come from material from beyond our borders in deliver vans. :tongue: [You get what I'm saying right?]
 
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Do agree with you on the safety issue.
The govt has learned its lesson from Bhopal. If something goes wrong, the Party is power can kiss their a$$ goodbye as they would never be back in power for a quarter of a century at least in today's time and information era.
That is the reason why both the Party in power and the Opposition will make sure that there will be proper safety mechanisms in place before they even start the plant. There will be no place to hide for the Politicians if something goes wrong. It would be counter productive for them as they will loose their most beloved part of democracy - voters who can be bought on the least amount of money.

So out of their own selfish desires, the safety can be considered to be significant.

Also the radiological disaster happening most probably would come from material from beyond our borders in deliver vans. :tongue: [You get what I'm saying right?]



I hear ya, but the gov;t has not learned ****. Bhopal continues to be a nightmare for the ppl that live there. Just google the Bhopal aftermath and realize how Union Carbide got away with a light fine versus the actual damage caused. Our ppl are still suffering over there while Anderson lives in Mansion in LI and plays golf. Sure the parties in power that commit huge mistakes may not be relected, but its just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Both parties suck, one gets in over power over the other for a time and then vice versa. Its been this way since Independence. Its basically been a 2 party system even though past gov;t s have been formed thru coalitions. This is whole coalition style is a bunch of BS as it impedes our progress and decision making. Anyhow, our vote means very little when the parties being elected yr after yr are both corrupt to the core. There is no denying it. India continues to grow even with the high levels of corruption only because its of huge population, free economy that took shape after yrs of socialism and MMS. You take about how politicans wont be forgiven and there is no place for them to hide, but look at Mayawati, Lalu, Pawar, etc. They are in the media everyday, corrupt SOBs and get away with it. Look at General Kapoor and no charges have been brought up for the suspected corruption dealing with T 90s deal and the Advarsh apt. scam.
 
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I hear ya, but the gov;t has not learned ****. Bhopal continues to be a nightmare for the ppl that live there. Just google the Bhopal aftermath and realize how Union Carbide got away with a light fine versus the actual damage caused. Our ppl are still suffering over there while Anderson lives in Mansion in LI and plays golf. Sure the parties in power that commit huge mistakes may not be relected, but its just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Both parties suck, one gets in over power over the other for a time and then vice versa. Its been this way since Independence. Its basically been a 2 party system even though past gov;t s have been formed thru coalitions. This is whole coalition style is a bunch of BS as it impedes our progress and decision making. Anyhow, our vote means very little when the parties being elected yr after yr are both corrupt to the core. There is no denying it. India continues to grow even with the high levels of corruption only because its of huge population, free economy that took shape after yrs of socialism and MMS. You take about how politicans wont be forgiven and there is no place for them to hide, but look at Mayawati, Lalu, Pawar, etc. They are in the media everyday, corrupt SOBs and get away with it. Look at General Kapoor and no charges have been brought up for the suspected corruption dealing with T 90s deal and the Advarsh apt. scam.

I get what you are trying to say mate.
Regarding Bhopal, the shortcoming of the govt then is still showing is what they have learnt. So they don't want such things to happen in the future. Also there is a huge difference b/w India then and India now. We actually can protest at international level and people "have" to listen to us. [e.g. DOW at Olympics would not have been a big issue if it were some small island boycotting].
Also coalition govt has its upsides too. Current e.g. being the SriLanka issue in UN. If its just one party in power, regional issues can b put to one side very easily.
And regarding corruption, it exists in every country. Its just too open in ours. The accused politicians from corruption cases roaming around freely is because of the very slow judiciary. Till the issue is brought in front of the court all the witnesses are paid off and the evidences are watered down. Same happens in most other criminal cases too [My family has been at the receiving end of this]. Its like judiciary is still in the 1970s.

But they atleast come up in our country. In countries like the US the policies are prepared by lobbyists from firms who help the candidate in the elections. It just ruins the country's democratic character little by little. the worst effected have the least amount of say. Contrary to this, its the other way round in India. Thats why we have policy paralysis from time to time. The people who get stuff for free [subsidies] don't want those to go even if they are well off. and they form a major chunk of the voting population.

If the pricing of electricity is one right and people aren't rewarded by waiving of their electricity bills, we would not be needing these Nuclear plants in the first place. People would be very efficient in using the energy and there would be no need of such drastic steps. Get this right, govt is putting up Nuclear plants out there not for fun. Its because we need more electricity are people have got used to getting it for free, they just don't want to pay for it even now. Also the uncertainty of supply and price of Oil and the "great" subsidies provided on it just makes the case for big Nuclear plants.

Love to hear from you on this.

Have a god day buddy.
 
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I was right, Jaya was waiting for the By-Elections.

Jayalalithaa govt gives go ahead to Koodankulam nuclear plant - Indian Express

Seeking to end the impasse over the Koodankulam nuclear plant issue, the Jayalalilthaa government in Tamil Nadu today gave the go ahead to the controversial project and announced a Rs 500 crore special development package for the area where it is located.

"In accordance with (today's) Cabinet decision, immediate steps will be taken (to facilitate commissioning) of the plant," Chief Minister Jayalalithaa said in a statement, breaking her silence over the issue.

She also sought the cooperation of political parties and all concerned to immediately resume work at the plant in Tirunelveli district, stalled following protests since September 2011, spearheaded by the People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE).

The Cabinet decided to allocate Rs 500 crore for locals to set up among others, a cold storage to store fish catch, construct houses, laying of roads and repairing mechanised fishing boats of local fishermen, she said.

The decision comes a day after completion of polling at Sankarankoil, which falls in the same district.

Amma Valzha!
 
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I was right, Jaya was waiting for the By-Elections.

Jayalalithaa govt gives go ahead to Koodankulam nuclear plant - Indian Express

Seeking to end the impasse over the Koodankulam nuclear plant issue, the Jayalalilthaa government in Tamil Nadu today gave the go ahead to the controversial project and announced a Rs 500 crore special development package for the area where it is located.

"In accordance with (today's) Cabinet decision, immediate steps will be taken (to facilitate commissioning) of the plant," Chief Minister Jayalalithaa said in a statement, breaking her silence over the issue.

She also sought the cooperation of political parties and all concerned to immediately resume work at the plant in Tirunelveli district, stalled following protests since September 2011, spearheaded by the People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy (PMANE).

The Cabinet decided to allocate Rs 500 crore for locals to set up among others, a cold storage to store fish catch, construct houses, laying of roads and repairing mechanised fishing boats of local fishermen, she said.

The decision comes a day after completion of polling at Sankarankoil, which falls in the same district.

Amma Valzha!

Just goes to show petty politics trumps national development in priority list of these politicians.
 
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Just goes to show petty politics trumps national development in priority list of these politicians.

Nope it shows how foolish uneducated Tamils are who can change their mind at any minute! If she had told this yesterday the anti-Indian PMANE would had created a scene yesterday and whole people without thinking would gone against her party!

Too much is at stake for her party to win the by elections! She did the right thing this time and she can be excused!
 
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Nope it shows how foolish uneducated Tamils are who can change their mind at any minute! If she had told this yesterday the anti-Indian PMANE would had created a scene yesterday and whole people without thinking would gone against her party!

Too much is at stake for her party to win the by elections! She did the right thing this time and she can be excused!




Did you notice she did nothing to rectify safety issues or emergency preparedness? She just pumped money to appease folks, which may work to solve the terse situation. But this does very little for the South;s safety
 
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Umm... Kerala itself has large nuclear thorium reserves. Why can't it be used for making nukes/ in nucler reactors?

Also why the heck is these NGO's interfering into our devolopmental issues??
 
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Umm... Kerala itself has large nuclear thorium reserves. Why can't it be used for making nukes/ in nucler reactors?

Also why the heck is these NGO's interfering into our devolopmental issues??


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