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pakistan has good relations with china..you are not exactly mongoloid now are you?
race has nothing to do with having good relations...

Well just for one example, you know where did the 'Khan' surname derive from?

As for me, I am Caucasian by ethnicity. But I love Mongolians, they are nice people. I got many information regarding Mongolia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and the slav lands of Russia from my Russian girl friend.
 
Hey watch your back. Whats your highest academic qualification

What's my academic qualification? MA in Eng Lit.

A Masters degree in literature in India includes in-depth analyses of all "modern" philosophers right from the first proponent of individuality - Descartes, to Hobbes, John Stuart Mill, Rousseau, Engels, Marx, Darwin, Kafka, Camus, Derrida and finally the post-colonial thinkers like Fanon, Ngugi Wa Thiong, etc. You were saying?

If you really know communism better than me, then why did not you tell that? Who the hell are you to teach me communism?

Communism doesn't make insipid distinctions based on race. Reading your posts it seems your "communism" seems to end where your hatred of India begins.
 
What's my academic qualification? MA in Eng Lit.

A Masters degree in literature in India includes in-depth analyses of all "modern" philosophers right from the first proponent of individuality - Descartes, to Hobbes, John Stuart Mill, Rousseau, Engels, Marx, Darwin, Kafka, Camus, Derrida and finally the post-colonial thinkers like Fanon, Ngugi Wa Thiong, etc. You were saying? .

What's my academic qualification? MA in Eng Lit.

A Masters degree in literature in India includes in-depth analyses of all "modern" philosophers right from the first proponent of individuality - Descartes, to Hobbes, John Stuart Mill, Rousseau, Engels, Marx, Darwin, Kafka, Camus, Derrida and finally the post-colonial thinkers like Fanon, Ngugi Wa Thiong, etc. You were saying?

Just an MA and in Eng Lit. !! You think studying some pieces of essays of some philosophers in a selective way is enough and that can make a person the wisest on earth? Ha ha ha.... what a misconception!!! So you deserve to be a prof in the Cambridge Univ?

I studied vast areas of political philosophy also during my Masters. But that was not enough. Even as a Research Fellow I do not even know everything. I am still learning. I am not an arrogant person like you. I stood first class first. But thats nothing.

And its not 'individuality', its called 'individualism'. Your sense of individualism which you call 'individuality' boastfully, is actually laissez faire which is one of the foundational pillars of capitalism. I mean you love capitalist individuality, iska matlab akela hi sab kuchh nigalna chahteho... how much after all you can eat up?

What do you know about post-colonialism? What is colonialism? Why colonialism is not imperialism? Is there any difference? Read James Mill and Jeremy Bentham to get an idea at least. Also read Edward Said's Orientalism. After that talk about post-colonialism. Without knowing the preliminary stages, you even studied Rousseau's Social Contract!!!! What the hell!? How unsystematic syllabi..!! Also to know Rousseau you first need to know about Hobbes and Locke. How much you know about Derrida? How much you know about his theory of deconstruction? Have you ever read Foucault?

Reading some poems and proses and plays is not enough to understand Marxist discourses. Get rid of your false sense of pride. A little learning is dangerous.
 
Just an MA and in Eng Lit. !! You think studying some pieces of essays of some philosophers in a selective way is enough and that can make a person the wisest on earth? Ha ha ha.... what a misconception!!! So you deserve to be a prof in the Cambridge Univ?

No, do you?

I studied vast areas of political philosophy also during my Masters.

You've done a Masters? In what? Political science?

But that was not enough. Even as a Research Fellow I do not even know everything. I am still learning.

That is evident.

I am not an arrogant person like you. I stood first class first. But thats nothing.

Am i arrogant with you? Perhaps, it comes from knowing that i am right and you are wrong.

And its not 'individuality', its called 'individualism'.

:lol: Same difference. Tells me a great deal about you.

Your sense of individualism which you call 'individuality' boastfully, is actually laissez faire which is one of the foundational pillars of capitalism.

Oh really? When pray did i even mention Capitalism? My only mention of Individuality was with relation to Descartes. Do you know anything about Descartes Cartesian System? "Cogito Ergo Sum" - "I think therefore i am" - a way of thinking that was arrived at as a result of European Enlightenment, the Renaissance in the 16th century. Although the bourgeois was gaining power at this time, this was a still a feudal society, Industrialization came later.

I mean you love capitalist individuality, iska matlab akela hi sab kuchh nigalna chahteho... how much after all you can eat up?

Read above post.

Although Capitalism uses Individuality to justify its existence, they are not the same. Individualism for me means retaining an individual identity in a socialist environment (Not Communist)

What do you know about post-colonialism?

I had three different papers on Post-Col, so i should assume that i do know something

What is colonialism? Why colonialism is not imperialism? Is there any difference?

Are you joking? Are you seriously testing my knowledge? You want me to write a thesis?

To give a simple answer, colonialism is also of the mind. A practice that is still going on in former colonies. Fanon's essay - The Decolonization of the mind is an enlightening piece into this phenomenon.

Also read Edward Said's Orientalism. After that talk about post-colonialism.

I have read Said.

Did you really expect me to name each and every theory that i've read, out for you? :rolleyes:

Without knowing the preliminary stages, you even studied Rousseau's Social Contract

Rousseau came before Marx or any Post Col theory so i really don't know what you mean. Rousseau was part of the bourgeois uprising against aristocratic rule in France. He's one of the main philosophers of the French Revolution. The next step in enlightenment philosophy.

!!!! What the hell!? How unsystematic syllabi..!!

Yeah right.

Also to know Rousseau you first need to know about Hobbes and Locke.

And what makes you think i don't know Hobbs or Locke? Locke - wrote the first essay trying to comprehend human understanding. His theory was the first to propound that all ideas were either ideas of sensation or reflection.

Hobbs - conceptualized man in the state of nature as one of warfare. According to his work Leviathan, Man was a victim of his inherent passions which without external pressures prevented the established of community. Man for him was governed by strong primal drives of desire and fear.

There ends your daily lesson on philosophy.

How much you know about Derrida? How much you know about his theory of deconstruction? Have you ever read Foucault?

From Hobbs you jump directly to Derrida and Deconstruction? :lol:
You do realise that Deconstruction and Post Structuralism are two major theories of Literature

Reading some poems and proses and plays is not enough to understand Marxist discourses.

Perhaps reading the philosophies of Marx and Engels is, yes??:rolleyes:

Get rid of your false sense of pride. A little learning is dangerous.

My patience is running thin. I'm not in the habit of schooling. Look, i get it, calling yourself a communist differentiates you from other members here. Great, but don't act like googling a few items on philosophy makes you some sort of authority on Communism. The truth is, you're hardly a communist.

and if you consider yourself one, stop propounding nauseating assertions on how Chinese and Indian races don't mix or such rubbish, people will start getting a wrong idea about Communism from you.

And you say that you hate India, but aren't you posting from India??:lol: Busted!!
 
After forcibly occupying Tibet, you claim that lands beyond Tibet is a part of china. When tibet itself is not truely part of china. What a joke?

Learn Geography before arguing....

Secondly if you argue sikkim and AP are not part of India. We would do the same for Tibet and Tiwan. And demark it as a separate country rather than as part of china. Do not interfere with our countries internal affair. It will be detrimental for you.



 
If Tibet is not lawful part of China, why Kasmir, Skih region, Tamil region. Assam are lawful part of India?
 
If Tibet is not lawful part of China, why Kasmir, Skih region, Tamil region. Assam are lawful part of India?

Because unlike China, in India people vote to decide their destiny. And because Tamil Nadu, Punjab and Assam don't have significant resentment against Indian rule.

By the way, if you're adding Tamil Nadu and Punjab, why not go the whole hog and add Haryana, Delhi, Rajashtan and ask why should they be part of India:lol:
 
If Tibet is not lawful part of China, why Kasmir, Skih region, Tamil region. Assam are lawful part of India?

now ......never include tamils in there , i am a tamil and nowhere in noone in tamil nadu has demanded to establsh a seperate state . your above post shows your lack of knowledge about tamils

the tamils who demand a seperate state are srilankan tamils

now you would ask why we , indian tamils care about the welfare of srilankan tamils- i would say its the "tamil bond"

now when a muslim in any part of the world is oppresed you guys start jumping around just because he s a muslim without thinking . eg:palestine - why else would you care about palestine people------???now - why should we not have that bond with srilankan tamils? - after all they are people who were moved to srilanka during british rule to work in the plantations......

regarding assam and sikkim- they vote to send a representative to the indian parliment and the native people there hoist the national flag
in the the state leigislature and sing the national song without any one compelling them to do so...... rings a bell ? the two states are an integral part of india and will be so forever for the people who live there are indians for life and nothing is going to change their indian-ness

the same cannot be about tibet, can you? do they vote? are the not supressed ? havent the tibetans shown their thirst for freedom just a day before the olympics


freetibet2008.org/more/olympics-campaign-highlights/ -
Olympics Campaign Highlights
Olympics Campaign Highlights
2008: August - This is a historic moment for Tibet. Tibet activists are engaged in nearly daily pro-Tibet protests in Beijing, and Tibetans and supporters around the world have been working tirelessly to organize a global uprising in support of Tibetan freedom. Rallies and vigils and demonstrations have been taking place from Santiago to Montevideo, New York to Toronto, London to Warsaw, Delhi to Kathmandu. These inspiring events reaffirm two things that we already know - Tibetans will never give up, and people worldwide are with us.
 
now ......never include tamils in there , i am a tamil and nowhere in noone in tamil nadu has demanded to establsh a seperate state . your above post shows your lack of knowledge about tamils

the tamils who demand a seperate state are srilankan tamils

now you would ask why we , indian tamils care about the welfare of srilankan tamils- i would say its the "tamil bond"

now when a muslim in any part of the world is oppresed you guys start jumping around just because he s a muslim without thinking . eg:palestine - why else would you care about palestine people------???now - why should we not have that bond with srilankan tamils? - after all they are people who were moved to srilanka during british rule to work in the plantations......

regarding assam and sikkim- they vote to send a representative to the indian parliment and the native people there hoist the national flag
in the the state leigislature and sing the national song without any one compelling them to do so...... rings a bell ? the two states are an integral part of india and will be so forever for the people who live there are indians for life and nothing is going to change their indian-ness

the same cannot be about tibet, can you? do they vote? are the not supressed ? havent the tibetans shown their thirst for freedom just a day before the olympics


freetibet2008.org/more/olympics-campaign-highlights/ -
Olympics Campaign Highlights
Olympics Campaign Highlights
2008: August - This is a historic moment for Tibet. Tibet activists are engaged in nearly daily pro-Tibet protests in Beijing, and Tibetans and supporters around the world have been working tirelessly to organize a global uprising in support of Tibetan freedom. Rallies and vigils and demonstrations have been taking place from Santiago to Montevideo, New York to Toronto, London to Warsaw, Delhi to Kathmandu. These inspiring events reaffirm two things that we already know - Tibetans will never give up, and people worldwide are with us.


We will KO all American minions and Tibetan activists like you! :enjoy:


Free Tibet but why not Free China?

This is a conspiracy of the Western European Whites, they invaded us 150 years ago but failed, now they use so-called human right to split China.


We have nothing but nuclear bombs, if Tibetan mobs join USA and India to invade us, we will let off nuclear bombs, USA and India will die!
 
We have nothing but nuclear bombs, if Tibetan mobs join USA and India to invade us, we will let off nuclear bombs, USA and India will die!

Its good to know your at home:tongue:
 
We will KO all American minions and Tibetan activists like you! :enjoy:


Free Tibet but why not Free China?

This is a conspiracy of the Western European Whites, they invaded us 150 years ago but failed, now they use so-called human right to split China.


We have nothing but nuclear bombs, if Tibetan mobs join USA and India to invade us, we will let off nuclear bombs, USA and India will die!




ya we are scared!!!!!!!!!!! i do think we have nuclear bombs too and americans were the first to have them.


by the way i support free china too apart from free tibet,free taiwan .....and so on:D

i would support every movement where every individual is free in every sense and word..... i guess thats not possible in communism
 
The article ended up in a very frustrating way. The last paragraph is a reflection of utopian stupidity. China must not befriend with India, because friendship with India is more expensive than remaining as an enemy. 'Chindia' type of utopian dream is never possible in reality. China is a different race with different cultural connotations and social values and as oil and water cannot be mixed, two different races can never be mixed. Even if they are mixed, they will create trouble. It is better to keep both as distinct and different civilizations with regular war and peace. It is the system of the world.

Enmity is not always bad. Progress comes from clashes between two civilizations. Preparation for war is a driving force that keeps a civilization alive and awake. This is the rule of the nature.

A Communist must not believe in nation state, caste/race, creed, sect and religion. Because we consider them as narrow self-destructive sentiments. Marx said, 'all the workers of the world unite'. He (himself a Jewish) did not say Jewish workers unite. He did not say Jewish workers of this particular nation state unite. We believe in internationalism. But we know still people are uneducated and ignorant and thus they cannot get this at this moment. It needs some time.

All I can say "A wolf in sheep's clothing". Well... I am looking forward to your further posts...
 
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How you remember all his posts?Of course he himself doesn't. Kudos to you :)
 
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You are right Gabbar. Whether it was a strategic mistake or something else, but to me...

Honesty is nothing but stupidity.

Now China is paying for what it did. If China does not take serious lesson from her past mistakes, China will never survive. I personally believe in survival of the fittest. This is the bottom line of the nature's rule.

Simple thing Mr. Communist...it is the same mistake India did after Maharaja Hari Singh invited the Indian forces to liberate the princely state of Kashmir in 1947-1948 to drive away the Pakistanis..what Indians did was rush to the United Nations and enforced a ceasefire and thus we know of an entity called "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir" with its capital at Muzaffarabad...so echoing the same communiost line of thinking I think the benevolnce India showed then under Mr Nehru is what we Indians are paying for ...simple arithmetic isnt it?
 
This thread is about India and China, so please try to keep it that way. We have different threads about Kashmir and other issues.

Thank you all.
 
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