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The communism died long back and there are no real communist countries except few exception of self proclaimed Communist countries. So living in past and keeping hope alive for future communist world is not a bad idea.:D


^^ few people never learn.
aadmi apni aadat badal sakta hai par uski fitrat kabhi nahin badalti.
 
Well said Rajkumar, that the truth.

As for as India and China is concerned, it would be good for both of them to be friends, as its will help both. See history is history let that be it, its better to look further, ya there are some border issues in between both countires and can be sorted out by discuession. I hope so, its better to be positive (not blood group B+ ;)).

There is a great potantial for economy if both countires have good relationship with each other, as its going to be Win Win situation for both countires in such condidtion.

So friend ship is a good idea. :enjoy::cheers:
 
...so if i really was pissed at china and India for their getting richer while i suffer from recession and a dented cold-war pride...i'd want India and china to engage and destroy each other's economy...

Well said!

That "i", I suspect, it the Western World. Of course, they won't tell you openly.
 
To say the truth, the real enemy of India is India itself.

India is still too weak to be considered a potential enemy of China. If there is no nuclear war, which I always oppose, it will take just 3-5 months for China to occupy the whole subcontinent as the experience of 1962 war shows us. But China is not an aggressive country. Had China been so, she could have kept all the lands occupied in 1962. China returned all the occupied land, army equipments, prisoners of war, though India did not give back anything.

You’re right in the sense that China has never wanted to make India enemy, especially in 50s and 60s. Mr. Mao or Chou said: we (China and India) were both the victims of Western imperialists and colonists. We should fight together against imperialism, not among us. This can be corroborated via various documentations and research results from various countries (e.g., GB, US).

But stuff happened…

And especially now, bellicose Indian noise has made some ordinary Chinese uncomfortable. It is troubling, since due to the easing off in its east, China can swiftly shift its attention to the southwest.

The article ended up in a very frustrating way. The last paragraph is a reflection of utopian stupidity. China must not befriend with India, because friendship with India is more expensive than remaining as an enemy. 'Chindia' type of utopian dream is never possible in reality. China is a different race with different cultural connotations and social values and as oil and water cannot be mixed, two different races can never be mixed. Even if they are mixed, they will create trouble. It is better to keep both as distinct and different civilizations with regular war and peace. It is the system of the world.

Enmity is not always bad. Progress comes from clashes between two civilizations. Preparation for war is a driving force that keeps a civilization alive and awake. This is the rule of the nature.

Dear Communist,

Unfortunately, perhaps, the “utopia” what you said may not turn out to be true. Nonetheless, I still failed to see why eventually making India China’s friend wouldn’t be in China’s interest, wouldn’t be in SA people’s interest.

The Chinese don’t want to live (mix) with the Indians, and perhaps vise versa. If they can have a clear demarcation on land, and there is no aggression or threat to aggress another country that harm the regional peace and prosperity, there is no element tolerated in one country that is meant to threat the other country, I don’t see why India and China relationship won’t improve further. Regular wars are not good for either country, as war is an enemy to wealth. A decisive war might help, sometimes, but no occupation.

Did you invoke Chairman Mao’s “struggle philosophy” in your comments?

BTW, I’d like to discuss with you about your understanding of communism, if you don’t mind. What is laughable and clownish is that many brainwashed people who are never botherd to know know what communism is start to curse communism, in a naive and peevish way.
 
The communism died long back and ...

How absurd the statement is!

Communism is well alive everywhere in developed countries of Europe and North America. I bet you know nothing about communism. Communism is not Chinese Cultural Revolution, nor Soviet Stalinist purges, buddy.

Hopefully you could read more about communism.

BTW, I'm no communist, no nothing. :lol:
 
How absurd the statement is!

Communism is well alive everywhere in developed countries of Europe and North America.

Which country in North America you are talking about?
 
Communism is not dead. Due to the economic downturn, more and more people are rejecting Capitalist greed for Communism or socialist ideologies. One only needs to look at South America. Japan is also seeing an increase in the popularity of the Communist party if the bbc is to be believed.

You’re right in the sense that China has never wanted to make India enemy, especially in 50s and 60s. Mr. Mao or Chou said: we (China and India) were both the victims of Western imperialists and colonists. We should fight together against imperialism, not among us. This can be corroborated via various documentations and research results from various countries (e.g., GB, US).

India has always wanted China as a friend. You forget that India was one of the first countries to recognize the People Republic of China. India was also the country that initiated Panchsheel, the Five Principles of Peaceful Co-existence, to determine India-China policy.
 
Dear Communist,

Unfortunately, perhaps, the “utopia” what you said may not turn out to be true. Nonetheless, I still failed to see why eventually making India China’s friend wouldn’t be in China’s interest, wouldn’t be in SA people’s interest.

The Chinese don’t want to live (mix) with the Indians, and perhaps vise versa. If they can have a clear demarcation on land, and there is no aggression or threat to aggress another country that harm the regional peace and prosperity, there is no element tolerated in one country that is meant to threat the other country, I don’t see why India and China relationship won’t improve further. Regular wars are not good for either country, as war is an enemy to wealth. A decisive war might help, sometimes, but no occupation.

Did you invoke Chairman Mao’s “struggle philosophy” in your comments?

BTW, I’d like to discuss with you about your understanding of communism, if you don’t mind. What is laughable and clownish is that many brainwashed people who are never botherd to know know what communism is start to curse communism, in a naive and peevish way.


Yes buddy, you are right, Chinese do not want to mix with Indians. Hope Indians too do that. It is good for both of them. They must avoid creating a mess. But as India's foreign policy is aggressive in nature, China must have some precaution before making every diplomatic deal with India.

The Anglo-Saxons of America allowed Indians to mix with them, and they will regret one day. There are many reasons behind this. I do not need to tell them, you yourself will know them in your life time. President Obama's call for Buffalo is just the start.



Communism is dictatorship. Shocked, no?

Yes it is dictatorship, but dictatorship of the proletariat. Who are the proletariat? The working class who provide the manual labor to the society and state, is the proletariat. And the laboring class is the majority while the bourgeoisie is the minority. Thus when we say dicatorship fo the proletariat, we say dictatorship of the majority. And when majority rules, it is actually democracy.

Bourgeoisie exploits the working class to make surplus profit out of which they create huge amount of wealth. But the wealth belongs to their private ownership. Only they can enjoy the wealth. It means the rest of the people or the majority, the proletariat class is deprived of their legal share. If the proletariat does not protest the deprivation, profit gearing and surplus making will go on. Thus distance between the poor and the rich will increase more and more ending up in mere slavery. And a capitalist class will take birth there.

Marx says, in such a situation, resistance to the Capitalist exploitation will inevitably come from below. Laboring people cannot lead themselves and then bourgeoisie or the middle class will lead them for its own interests. If the proletariat succeeds, it will be considered a revolution. Revolution is turning things upside down.

A Communist must not believe in nation state, caste/race, creed, sect and religion. Because we consider them as narrow self-destructive sentiments. Marx said, 'all the workers of the world unite'. He (himself a Jewish) did not say Jewish workers unite. He did not say Jewish workers of this particular nation state unite. We believe in internationalism. But we know still people are uneducated and ignorant and thus they cannot get this at this moment. It needs some time.

It is actually wealth or economy which is the key to the understanding of all problems of society.
 
Yes buddy, you are right, Chinese do not want to mix with Indians. Hope Indians too do that. It is good for both of them. They must avoid creating a mess. But as India's foreign policy is aggressive in nature, China must have some precaution before making every diplomatic deal with India.

The Anglo-Saxons of America allowed Indians to mix with them, and they will regret one day. There are many reasons behind this. I do not need to tell them, you yourself will know them in your life time. President Obama's call for Buffalo is just the start.



Communism is dictatorship. Shocked, no?

Yes it is dictatorship, but dictatorship of the proletariat. Who are the proletariat? The working class who provide the manual labor to the society and state, is the proletariat. And the laboring class is the majority while the bourgeoisie is the minority. Thus when we say dicatorship fo the proletariat, we say dictatorship of the majority. And when majority rules, it is actually democracy.

Bourgeoisie exploits the working class to make surplus profit out of which they create huge amount of wealth. But the wealth belongs to their private ownership. Only they can enjoy the wealth. It means the rest of the people or the majority, the proletariat class is deprived of their legal share. If the proletariat does not protest the deprivation, profit gearing and surplus making will go on. Thus distance between the poor and the rich will increase more and more ending up in mere slavery. And a capitalist class will take birth there.

Marx says, in such a situation, resistance to the Capitalist exploitation will inevitably come from below. Laboring people cannot lead themselves and then bourgeoisie or the middle class will lead them for its own interests. If the proletariat succeeds, it will be considered a revolution. Revolution is turning things upside down.

A Communist must not believe in nation state, caste/race, creed, sect and religion. Because we consider them as narrow self-destructive sentiments. Marx said, 'all the workers of the world unite'. He (himself a Jewish) did not say Jewish workers unite. He did not say Jewish workers of this particular nation state unite. We believe in internationalism. But we know still people are uneducated and ignorant and thus they cannot get this at this moment. It needs some time.

It is actually wealth or economy which is the key to the understanding of all problems of society.

:tsk: Your knowledge of Communism is school boyish. Google it did you?

Do you have any reliable source, preferably official?

My source is the last government census in 2001.

http://censusindia.gov.in/Tables_Published/SCST/dh_sc_arunachal.pdf
 
The article ended up in a very frustrating way. The last paragraph is a reflection of utopian stupidity. China must not befriend with India, because friendship with India is more expensive than remaining as an enemy. 'Chindia' type of utopian dream is never possible in reality. China is a different race with different cultural connotations and social values and as oil and water cannot be mixed, two different races can never be mixed. Even if they are mixed, they will create trouble. It is better to keep both as distinct and different civilizations with regular war and peace. It is the system of the world.
pakistan has good relations with china..you are not exactly mongoloid now are you?
race has nothing to do with having good relations...
Enmity is not always bad. Progress comes from clashes between two civilizations. Preparation for war is a driving force that keeps a civilization alive and awake. This is the rule of the nature.
progress comes from clashes between two civilizations?
war kills people...how can anyone like the idea of going to war...just for an accelerated progress(if we agree to your notion)
war is thrust upon the people of a 'civilized' nation...a progressive nation would never be so spartan...
 
How absurd the statement is!

Communism is well alive everywhere in developed countries of Europe and North America. I bet you know nothing about communism. Communism is not Chinese Cultural Revolution, nor Soviet Stalinist purges, buddy.

Hopefully you could read more about communism.

BTW, I'm no communist, no nothing. :lol:

i am not a communist too...but just love the idea...there hasn't been a purer concept devised like ever..!
though i hate the Comintern...and the agencies of today that talk of communism...
communism was meant to remove all forms of distinction within humanity...it was meant to uproot the feeling of jealousy and hatred by making everyman the other's comrade and at par...it failed...
we all must have seen the matrix...now i might be sounding like a kid trying to draw parallels here..but remeber the time Neo goes to the architect in 'the Matrix Reloaded'...the architect tell Neo of the earlier versions of the matrix...of how 'perfect' they were...and that was exactly why those heavenly versions failed...cus the human mind needs the imperfections...
now loosely....that is why communism in it's pristine form is a deemed failure...one man can't tolerate being equal to his neighbor...Karl Marx and co. forgot about the ego of the man...one mand has to rise...the other has to follow his legacy...the feeling of competition is inherent to the human spirit...jealousy leads to competition which leads to development...the capitalist system uses the competition characteristic of the human spirit quite exhaustively...
to sum up...communism failed cus we are not perfect...and we give too much way to our egos...
 
bygones are bygones...Tibet is as much Chinese as Kashmir is Indian.
we should take the sataus quo on border disputes to be the remedy and nothing much is then left for dispute...

Tibet is not on U.N. agenda as a disputed territory as much as Kashmir is.

But than India has the habit of swallowing lands that did not opt to join it.

Hyderabad, junagarh, and many more. So it makes sense when it is said that India moves many before claiming the north parts seems to make sense
 
:tsk: Your knowledge of Communism is school boyish. Google it did you?

Hey watch your back. Whats your highest academic qualification? If you really know communism better than me, then why did not you tell that? Who the hell are you to teach me communism? Let me know in which university you teach and which discipline.
 
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