India should seriously consider "limited war" with Pakistan: Lal Singh

[Dalit]

What are we still waiting for? Has the limited war come yet?

 

[BHarwana]

What are we still waiting for? Has the limited war come yet?

No war is coming this is all bark no bite. India cannot fight a war with Pakistan even if USA gives India all it B2 and F22 as well. There is a technical reason for it.

It is very simple fire one missile at Mangalore on the crude oil store at Maiden reserve constructed by UAE and then sink any oil tanker taking oil to India from the strait of Harmuz with the missile named Harbbah. India will not have fuel to do a single day war on Pakistan and If Pakistan wants to invade entire India they will be sitting ducks.

Do you know why we have named the missile Harbbah and what are meanings of Harbbah in Urdu. Harba means tariqa lagana. totka lagana. harba is made for this very mission. the range of Harba is perfect no Indian oil tanker can escape it. India has no where to run. WTF will SU-30 MKI do when it will have no fuel to fly? This is our harba to defeat india.

 

[doorstar]

don't they have fuel reserves in more than one place?

 

[BHarwana]

don't the have fuel reserves in more than one place?

They have a 10 day fuel reserve at Managlore only. This reserve is created by UAE and it is India life line in time of war. India is looking to buy S-400 to guard this very reserve there is no other option for India. All fuel reserves in other areas are very limited they cannot last more than 5 day if used for limited population only. India is a very big importer of oil they have huge population and that population will starve before India can fight any war. The same threat exists for Pakistan but Pakistan can get get oil from Iran as Pakistan has an oil deal with Iran. So India is in a trap. By the time India will get S-400 Pakistani ababeel will be operational and S-400 will be useless so India stands no chance.

India will start construction of 2 more in Rajasthan Bikaner and Jaipur but those 2 are also well in range of Pakistani missile they will be completed in 8 years.

The only option India will be left with is send in it's aircraft carrier to guard the shipping lane and that is where the PAF Minhasians will come in. There are elite squad of Pakistani fighter waiting at the coast line of Pakistan just with one mission to sink the elephant in the room. JF-17 loaded BVR and Mirages loaded with Ra'ad will make sure elephant dies. This is called cutting the supply line and Indian supply line is on the other side of Pakistan, so how do these idiots plan to fight a war with Pakistan.

This chart tells you what to do. Sink the tanker and India cannot walk the war.

emergency oil supply to India can come from Russia and Venezuela but both supplier will take at least month to deliver oil to India via Ships. Can India fight a war with out oil for a month? hell no.

 

[delta2]

Look at it this way: In the year 1952 Khrushchev visited the Indian Occupied Kashmir. The USSR gave Indians certain assurances. That was in 1952!! Even back then the Indians were too scared to do anything. They can only resort to funding to cause terrorism in Pakistan. That too they couldn't think of on their own. It was the USSR who showed them how to do it in Balochistan. Even then it took the Indians decades to understand how to fund terrorism.

 

[BHarwana]

Why the hell we fitted Agosta with RADARS do you think we want to shoot birds in open seas lol no they are there to sink oil tanker bringing oil to India. SCS is already a no go zone for India. Pakistan is buying 8 subs from China just to hunt oil tankers and choke India. It is all babur SLCM and oil tankers the death will come from under the sea to India and war will take place away from India. You cannot detect Diesel electric Subs.

No oil no war peace prevails in south Asia

This is Indian weakness they cannot over come it. even with billions of Dollars. They don't have domestic oil to run their country.

So now tell me can India fight a limited war?

Why is India funding it's Navy more than it's Army and Air force? Because they know they are vulnerable there and we know it as well.

India has a house of glass they cannot throw stone at others. That is the only reason India looks at Gwadar as a threat. If China and Pakistan are at Gwadar India is dead.

 

[BRAVO_]

in near future there are no chances of any war ... so hold your horses and get back to work

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

Ill give you an example: Pakistan will avoid attacking a country like Nepal, not because Pakistan is "impotant, weak or powerless" as you put it, but because it isn't wise to attack a small country. So I just leave it at that.

but if Nepal has territory issue with us ( hypothetically speaking of course ) we will attack them and take our territory, in our case India is too weak and coward to do that which is understandable as we can destroy and blow it into smithereens.

So not really the same case.

 

[PurpleStone]

Why limited?? Khul ker aayo

India has nothing to gain either from limited or full scale war. Peace with Pakistan is the only option that suits India but Pakistan is unwilling to offer peace.

in near future there are no chances of any war ... so hold your horses and get back to work

The option of war between India and Pakistan has died in 1984 when Pakistan has achieved military parity with India. Skirmishes across LOC from time to time is the only option available apart from making peace.

I have ignore this thread for quite some time but I think I should shed my 2 cents here.

India should fight a limited war with Pakistan because India cannot fight Pakistan more than 10 days. After that India will lose any war against Pakistan and this statement of mine don't include Nuclear weapons. I am talking about conventional war.

Both India and Pakistan are in a pathetic state to fight any realistic and prolonged war. War is not an option between India and Pakistan.

 

[BHarwana]

Both India and Pakistan are in a pathetic state to fight any realistic and prolonged war. War is not an option between India and Pakistan.

No one can afford a war on it's own. That is why Europeans always go to war in a Pack of wolves like NATO.

The most difficult thing is to fight a war with your neighbor. Your house catches the fire as well.

 

[denel]

India has nothing to gain either from limited or full scale war. Peace with Pakistan is the only option that suits India but Pakistan is unwilling to offer peace.



The option of war between India and Pakistan has died in 1984 when Pakistan has achieved military parity with India. Skirmishes across LOC from time to time is the only option available apart from making peace.



Both India and Pakistan are in a pathetic state to fight any realistic and prolonged war. War is not an option between India and Pakistan.

Well put; this hatred will not resolve anything. On one hand there are parties who are hell bent on pursing their own agendas and want to keep this posturing alive.

 

[PurpleStone]

No one can afford a war on it's own. That is why Europeans always go to war in a Pack of wolves like NATO.

The most difficult thing is to fight a war with your neighbor. Your house catches the fire as well.

Agree. War is generally only profitable if

1) One of the party has an overwhelming military superiority over the other

and

2) The weaker party has lot of resources that can be exploited post war scenario

In case of India and Pakistan neither if these two are true.

Indo-Pak war is the most foolish act one could imagine. Irrespective of the rhetoric from time to time there would be no war between the countries.

 

[BHarwana]

Agree. War is generally only profitable if

1) One of the party has an overwhelming military superiority over the other

and

2) The weaker party has lot of resources that can be exploited post war scenario

In case of India and Pakistan neither if these two are true.

Indo-Pak war is the most foolish act one could imagine. Irrespective of the rhetoric from time to time there would be no war between the countries.

Yes in general term-analogy you are 100% correct but between India and Pakistan there is a hot bed Kashmir which gives reason to war. If anyone goes near to the point of losing it there will be war unless one of us is so much weak that it cannot sustain it. That is why we don't had a war for so long.

War is not going to happen India and Pakistan will compete on the grounds of achieving more power and weaponry and there will be only proxy war between us.

 

[PurpleStone]

we r alreay fighting a limited war, the time is here to fight a full blown war and end this cycle of limited wars

Really? Have you thought about the objectives and outcomes?

Yes in general term-analogy you are 100% correct but between India and Pakistan there is a hot bed Kashmir which gives reason to war. If anyone goes near to the point of losing it there will be war unless one of us is so much weak that it cannot sustain it. That is why we don't had a war for so long.

War is not going to happen India and Pakistan will compete on the grounds of achieving more power and weaponry and there will be only proxy war between us.

Equilibrium and parity would be maintained. I do not foresee either party getting an upper hand in Kashmir. Hence no scope of the war. Skirmishes and unconventional war would continue.

 

[BHarwana]

Equilibrium and parity would be maintained. I do not foresee either party getting an upper hand in Kashmir. Hence no scope of the war. Skirmishes and unconventional war would continue.

Yes it will be the case but there is a 40% chance in next 5 to 7 years time and a war will take place in Kashmir. Not initiated by India but by Pakistan and not on Kashmir issue but on water issue.

Regarding equilibrium India has some advantage over Pakistan but it is a limited advantage. The upper hand of Pakistan is it's domestic weapons production which is bringing it to an actual equilibrium.