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India should avoid bigger US strategic game: Karzai

Well we have reiterated, no Indian boots on Afghan soil. :)

Sorry, there is one and only one US proxy in the region. And it's not, and will never be India for sure. The super proxy title is already reserved and used by someone else I guess. LOL :p:

Why are you guys so shy?

You have a golden chance here.

Make full use of it.
 
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Why are you guys so shy?

You have a golden chance here.

Make full use of it.

You think Indian's are really stupid unlike some of our neighbors. Why should we get entangled in a conflict (which was never ours to begin with) just because some may wish so ??? LOL :p:

your the new proxy!

you wont go into Afghanistan because you don't have the balls

New Proxy ???? Just because you say so ?????? :hang2::hang2::hang2:

Well I then I would think Pakistan also don't have enough of this so called balls, since Pakistan even after claiming to be the biggest non-NATO ally and front-line state of U.S.A's war on terror, even after receiving billions as CSF for WOT never send your troops inside Afghanistan. Again, after the fact that your are directly affected and your fugitives are still present on Afghanistan soil. LOL :rofl::rofl::rofl:

When you don't have enough balls, why should we show our bravado while we are never directly affected by Afghanistan conflict ?????? :)
 
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You think Indian's are really stupid unlike some of our neighbors. Why should we get entangled in a conflict (which was never ours to begin with) just because some may wish so ??? LOL :p:

Well war on terror is a global phenomenon and since India suffers oh so badly from terrorism. It makes only sense that it should play a role in countering terrorism.
 
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Well war on terror is a global phenomenon and since India suffers oh so badly from terrorism. It makes only sense that it should play a role in countering terrorism.

And we are doing that effectively on our soil. Well I didn't see any Pakistani troops actively participating Inside Nigeria, Syria or even next door Afghanistan ??? Why ain't terrorism a global phenomenon for Pakistan ???

Moreover Pakistan should be the one actively participate since you claim to be the worst hit by this global phenomenon ???? :)
 
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I think China sent a message to the Indians in Doklam recently, "stop us if you can." I also suspect a much larger presence of Chinese military near the "Chicken's neck".m just to the keep the Indians on their toes
mounting large amount of troops just a show off, why'd Chinese want their troops to die from our Brahmos...
Outnumbering with a ratio of 8:1 was a thing of 1962 not today!
 
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India should avoid bigger US strategic game: Karzai

TH05-AFGHANISTAN-KARZAI



India should not be pulled into the US’s approach to Afghanistan — which he warned was part of a "bigger strategic game" that would not bring peace to the region — but should maintain an independent approach based on the shared interests of India and Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, the former President said. Mr. Karzai, who spent nearly 10 years as president up till 2014, said he had expressed his own reservations to India about the new alliance between India and the US in the region. "India is a friend and an ally and a traditional civilizational friend of our country but I want India to continue its traditional wise man approach to the region. It’s too deep a civilization to be taken away by an American design…too big a nation to be in any temporary arrangement with this or that country," he said during a meeting with a small group of journalists in London on Wednesday. US President Donald Trump outlined the U.S. new approach to Afghanistan in August with a call for further involvement of India and sharp criticism of Pakistan. India has ruled out deploying troops but has said it will expand development and medical assistance in the country to which it has extended around $3 billion in aid to date.  
"India has an extremely high stake in the region and in Afghanistan and should therefore have its own approach to Afghanistan in the region in which peace in Afghanistan should be the overall objective, in which peace in the region is the objective…and in which coordinated action between India and Afghanistan against extremism is the objective," he said, adding that if the US were genuine in this joint mission, they were welcome to join the two nations. "I suspect this is not the case," he said.  
Mr. Karzai reiterated his concerns about the new US policy towards Afghanistan outlined under the Trump administration, warning that it would not bring peace but just further suffering to the Afghan people. "Is this policy a continuation of the forever war in which Afghans are the main sufferers — its land, its soil its people, its environment…and do we want a forever war? And how come it took the US 16 years to recognize what was going on in Pakistan?" he said. "Every day Afghans told the US of the sanctuaries outside our borders. The United States knew they were there but couldn’t do much because Pakistan was an ally." 
It was for this reason he remained skeptical, he said of the new US approach which he said was not "aimed at ending extremism" but because of a "bigger strategic game in the region in which Pakistan does not seem to fit in US designs or Pakistan has taken a different path to what they were doing in the past: they were an ally of the U.S. all along especially the two of them in promoting religious extremism. Now Pakistan has an economic integration plan, more closely aligned with China. Its more a power game than a fight against extremism that has re-aligned US politics in the region."  
"The shift in the US policy is not to fight extremism but to bring pressure on Pakistan for other reasons. We don’t join that. We have no ill will to Pakistan - we want Pakistan to do well, we consider Pakistan a neighbour…for all the difficulties we have with it."  
While praising the "tremendous friend" of Afghanistan India had been — including through the way it had gone more "out of the way to do more for Afghanistan" than it had anywhere else, he was critical of the influential role that the US approach had had on its approach, citing efforts by Afghanistan towards the Manmohan Singh administration for help in its own military build up. India’s decision not to at that stage, he believes, was influenced by the US being against it. "It is this matter that makes us sensitive to the new alliance. If the U.S. changes course will India then follow again? India should not be moving from one pole to another. India should have a steady policy of a constant alliance with Afghanistan based on the fundamental interests of the two countries. I want an independent Indian-Afghan relationship…from our perspective when the US did not want us to have relations with India we did not conduct our policy towards India based on the wishes of the US …we conducted our own and that is what we expect of India towards us."  
He also called for greater cooperation between India and China in their approach to the region, warning that the US policy on Afghanistan had direct implications for this. "These two vast massive civilization and entities worldwide…their friendship and their cooperation will benefit us immensely and the region…and they should both avoid falling into a trap set by others in the competition that is created…it is in this view that I am not happy with the new US strategy because that strategy lessons the possibility of a broader India-Chinese cooperation."  
"We want to be friends with the US we want to be allies for the US…but I have as an Afghan citizen I have immense opposition against the way they fight extremism, which is adding to the fires of extremism."  
He said the best strategy towards the Taliban was to reach peace with them. "It is too late to talk of defeat…defeat means causing war in Afghanistan on a higher larger scale... military solutions are no more an option for us. The Taliban are Afghans and we must sit down with them and have peace with them."

source : http://www.thehindu.com/news/interna...?homepage=true
Traditional civilization all friend??? Was it not from Afghanistan that many conquerors came?
 
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You think Indian's are really stupid unlike some of our neighbors. Why should we get entangled in a conflict (which was never ours to begin with) just because some may wish so ??? LOL :p:



New Proxy ???? Just because you say so ?????? :hang2::hang2::hang2:

Well I then I would think Pakistan also don't have enough of this so called balls, since Pakistan even after claiming to be the biggest non-NATO ally and front-line state of U.S.A's war on terror, even after receiving billions as CSF for WOT never send your troops inside Afghanistan. Again, after the fact that your are directly affected and your fugitives are still present on Afghanistan soil. LOL :rofl::rofl::rofl:

When you don't have enough balls, why should we show our bravado while we are never directly affected by Afghanistan conflict ?????? :)

Your the new proxy not because I say so but because you indeed are the new U.S proxy in the region as Pakistan steps away from U.S influence

The U.S dosent want to lose Pakistan, but it wants us to step away from China-Russia -iran, open trade with india, accept india as regional power and follow U.S policy in the region

That is not acceptable for us
 
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your the new proxy!

you wont go into Afghanistan because you don't have the balls
That's the way how you people think. India has it own strategy and foreign policies and that won't be compromised at any value.
 
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That's the way how you people think. India has it own strategy and foreign policies and that won't be compromised at any value.

You are already compromised
You are crawling into the U.S lap and are the new proxy in the region as a bulwark against China

As india turns more hindutva and the lines get drawn with a U.S who is losing its influence and hegamony and as China grows

India will be the U.S ally in the region whilst China, Pakistan, Iran, Russia will all counter

U.S wants us to befriend india and stay in the U.S camp but we hate india beyond anything else
 
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Well war on terror is a global phenomenon and since India suffers oh so badly from terrorism. It makes only sense that it should play a role in countering terrorism.

Invite us for next Zarb-e-Azb.
 
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Your the new proxy not because I say so but because you indeed are the new U.S proxy in the region as Pakistan steps away from U.S influence

The U.S dosent want to lose Pakistan, but it wants us to step away from China-Russia -iran, open trade with india, accept india as regional power and follow U.S policy in the region

That is not acceptable for us

What ??? "you indeed are the new U.S proxy in the region as Pakistan steps away from U.S influence"

Is that a serious argument to begin with ??? Just because Pakistan is stepping away from U.S.A, does that mean India is supposed to fill that vacuum which is left behind ????

FYI, Pakistan ain't going away for U.S.A, at-least not anytime soon, you still provide overland routes for NATO supplies and have informally authorized U.S DRONE strikes/surveillance inside your nation which continues till date. So Pakistan calling India a U.S proxy is nothing more than a BIG joke. LOL :lol:

We haven't surrendered our sovereignty to anyone. :)

Pakistan may or may not remain under the influence of U.S.A or anyone else, but why are you putting India in the same equation ??? LOL :p:

We were neither a military ally of anyone nor will be like Pakistan is. And mark my words, India won't do the dirty work for U.S.A or any other country, whatever we do will be specifically on Indian interests, irrespective of our government/ruling parties back home. That's why our defense minister clearly said, no Indian Boots on Afghanistan soil. :)

Regarding what U.S thinks and what they want Pakistan to do is between two sovereign countries, it's non of our business unless it has some direct/indirect implications on us. :-)
 
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"Every day Afghans told the US of the sanctuaries outside our borders. The United States knew they were there but couldn’t do much because Pakistan was an ally."

Can he explain on how that is possible when half of his country is under Taliban control. Why they need to be in Pakistan when huge Afghan territory is under their thumb?
 
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"Every day Afghans told the US of the sanctuaries outside our borders. The United States knew they were there but couldn’t do much because Pakistan was an ally."

Can he explain on how that is possible when half of his country is under Taliban control. Why they need to be in Pakistan when huge Afghan territory is under their thumb?

Because Afghan Taliban are still inside your territory and U.S.A are doing occasional DRONE strikes to eliminate them which are even acknowledged by your own government and news agencies, even when they claim otherwise in UN or other forums. :p:

The recent one happened on 14th of Last month I guess.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1357853
US drone kills three 'terrorists' in Kurram Agency

An Excerpt from the above news;

Officials said the strike took place in remote Ghuz Ghari village in Kurram agency, close to the Afghan border where at least five fighters from the Afghan Taliban had gathered.

“The US drone fired two missiles, at least three fighters from the Afghan Taliban have been killed and two wounded,” a senior government official in Kurram Agency told AFP.

The identities of those killed and wounded remained unclear but an intelligence official in Kurram said one of the dead belonged to the Haqqani network.

 
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Because Afghan Taliban are still inside your territory and U.S.A are doing occasional DRONE strikes to eliminate them which are even acknowledged by your own government and news agencies, even when they claim otherwise in UN or other forums. :p:

The recent one happened on 14th of Last month I guess.
US drone kills three 'terrorists' in Kurram Agency

An Excerpt from the above news;

Officials said the strike took place in remote Ghuz Ghari village in Kurram agency, close to the Afghan border where at least five fighters from the Afghan Taliban had gathered.

“The US drone fired two missiles, at least three fighters from the Afghan Taliban have been killed and two wounded,” a senior government official in Kurram Agency told AFP.

The identities of those killed and wounded remained unclear but an intelligence official in Kurram said one of the dead belonged to the Haqqani network.


Taliban-with-regan.jpg


These gentlemen in pics are "Haqqani network".

Again, I ask you, when half of the Afghan territory is under Taliban control, why moan about Pakistan. America/Kabul regime cant control Afghanistan so that argument that Taliban got sanctuaries in Pakistan doesnt mean anything. If and when they manage to exert control over their territory, then they can moan about Pakistan.
 
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