India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[SpArK]

EF's canards looks like a funny mustache

 

[Contract Killer]

I have to say it is a very hard choice. Now that it is only Europe involved (so geopolitics is out the window) I hope that the MoD listens to IAF experts who know WTF they're talking about. If this is what happens then I have no doubt the plane that enters IAF service will be the one that best suites the IAF's needs and tactics.

I accept............... Rafale kills in look.

 

[blackops]

why will drdo manufacture hal is the one who will be manufacturing it

 

[Ammyy]

 

[jdme]

What criteria does defense dept use while buying any plane? Anyone knows?

 

[Abingdonboy]

What criteria does defense dept use while buying any plane? Anyone knows?

In this case a set of critera were drawn up by the IAF/MoD and sent out to possible candidates for their response, then trails were held (weapons and technical) those who met the drawn up criteria progressed through to next stage (costing, contractual negoitians). This is how it should have been done anyway.


This process applies purely for the MMRCA in terms of jets, (LUH, HLH, AH have also followed similar processes)


However in the past (MKI, Jaguar, Mig 29 etc) India had a much narrower set of friends willing to supply them and was much more limited on finances so it was done on what they needed and could afford from their friends.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

Well there are so many:
Tech transfer
A2A capability
A2G capability
To check capability to fly in extreme weather & high altitude
Maintenance costs

 

[KS]

I accept............... Rafale kills in look.

When it comes to looks it is the Russkie planes that win hands down - MKI and Mig 29 over Rafale or EFT anyday.

IAF news and views

Seriously ?

You mean posts like these merit a discussion ?

I am happy that Indians like 2 engined aircrafts. More maintenance issues specially when maintenance will be done by the Indians. Looks like Indians think in the same way as some idiots think that the most expensive means the best which Rafale and Typhoon are definitely not. Indians planners are the best assets Pakistan has and should be thankful to.

it will be fun to see how the loosers react and if it could help Pakistan in some way.

Any fool can say that Rafale and EFT are the two best among the six and all the nations - US,UK,Russia,China,France are fools to go for two engines and only Pak is the intelligent nation out there.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

Only problem with Rafale is it has lower TWR than EF.

 

[koushik]

Will HAL only start making the winner AFTER the first SQD is inducted into IAF from winning vendor (as RFI stipulates) which could be 2014/5 at this rate OR do they start production in tandem with winning bidder as obviously it will take more time for them to come up to scratch initially so the IAF receives 2 SQD around the same time?

ON announcing the winner for this MMRCA Competition. the first squadron of the winning aircraft would be bought directly off the shelf from the manufacturer.After that the manufacturer will issue a license to HAL to manufacture the remaining birds.It could take 2017-18 to complete the entire manufacture of the aircrafts.

 

[Abingdonboy]

ON announcing the winner for this MMRCA Competition. the first squadron of the winning aircraft would be bought directly off the shelf from the manufacturer.After that the manufacturer will issue a license to HAL to manufacture the remaining birds.It could take 2017-18 to complete the entire manufacture of the aircrafts.

Well, if true, that's completely pointless, HAL should start producing simultaneously as original manufacture tonspeed up induction in larger numbers. and 2017-8 for ENTIRE induction of ALL MMRCA? I think that's a long shot and unlikely.


Has there been any news on the NUMBER IAF will induct? There have been wild estimates (126-260!) if MMRCA goes to 260 and EFT is the winner then that could be $20 BILLION!!! Any idea??

 

[Kinetic]

To read about Indian military, I actually go to Pakistani defense section.

Or this:
IAF news and views

There are so many jokes there. Laughed at them.

I know they hate us but their points are valid. I doubt any civilian has absolutely any clue about true potential of our armed forces and if one just go by the "releases" or what goes on BR, we might as well be Martians invading earth. And then we box ourselves with "Pakistan this Pakistan that" thinking. I fear we are in for rude awakening if we are actually tested.

Which of these funny points looked 'valid' to you?

 

[justanobserver]

Any fool can say that Rafale and EFT are the two best among the six and all the nations - US,UK,Russia,China,France are fools to go for two engines and only Pak is the intelligent nation out there.

I saw the post, the guy (on the other forum) is seriously delusional ! He thinks DRDO does assembly/manufacturing

 

[Abingdonboy]

Well, if true, that's completely pointless, HAL should start producing simultaneously as original manufacture tonspeed up induction in larger numbers. and 2017-8 for ENTIRE induction of ALL MMRCA? I think that's a long shot and unlikely.


Has there been any news on the NUMBER IAF will induct? There have been wild estimates (126-260!) if MMRCA goes to 260 and EFT is the winner then that could be $20 BILLION!!! Any idea??

Sorry that figure is in € in US $ it is actually $29 BILLION!!!

 

[jdme]

There are so many jokes there. Laughed at them.




Which of these funny points looked 'valid' to you?

For start we are buying twin engine planes (some obsession of ours). That means higher maintenance, isn't it?