India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[Black Widow]

I was also in favor of Rafel or EFT... I will put my money on EFT..

 

[Black Widow]

There is no govt. practically. As:

- Home minister chidambaram is camping in tamilnadu for elections.
- Finance minister mukharjee is camping in WB for elections. His son is contesting election first time in his life.
- Defence minister antony is camping in kerala for elections.

That's why you don't hear news of any major decisions all of the files are pending for months.

If congress wins in kerala then antony will be CM and new defense minister will be there and he will take some time understanding the functuning and he will be more prone to the poaching by lobbyist.

I hate congress from bottom of my heart, But I like this Guy "A K Antony". It will be setback to DRDO and Armed forces if he quits Def Min... New Defense minister means set-back to indigenous program...

 

[sancho]

December... huh.....8 more months...


WTF....

Is nt there a high speed process for all these.. a high level meet for a week or so...and finalise everything on fast track????

Could be a safeguarding by the fact that the loosing vendors might come up with objections (like the Air Chief said), which could delay the final decision as well. If so extending the validity of the commercial bids to december sounds reasonable and doesn't neccesarily mean that the final decision could not be taken before. However, I expected it till the end of the year anyway and at the end it's India, where everything is running slower!

 

[sancho]

A quick question to the aviation experts: Why India has chosen single engine for Tejas? Kaveri would have been good enough if we had gone for a twin engine design? Any specific reason?

Single engine fighters are more cost-effective then twin engine fighters and Tejas is meant to replace the lower end of IAF, which makes cost-effectivity more important. Also a light low thrust engine should be easier to develop, especially if it is your first attempt.
Personally I would have gone for a bigger, more thrust engine, to make Tejas a medium class single engine fighter (F16 / J10 class) and use that engine later to replace Russian engines in MKI, or FGFA as well.

 

[SpArK]

I was also in favor of Rafel or EFT... I will put my money on EFT..

Yaa all put money in EFT.. which is also operated by Saudi and the tactics and details passsed on to them by the vendors along with the training ..

Also by the way the same will be passed onto pilots of adversaries who has got excellent relations with their airforce..


Yup go for it..

 

[SpArK]

There is no govt. practically. As:

- Home minister chidambaram is camping in tamilnadu for elections.
- Finance minister mukharjee is camping in WB for elections. His son is contesting election first time in his life.
- Defence minister antony is camping in kerala for elections.

That's why you don't hear news of any major decisions all of the files are pending for months.

If congress wins in kerala then antony will be CM and new defense minister will be there and he will take some time understanding the functuning and he will be more prone to the poaching by lobbyist.

Nope Antony is not in contention for anything regarding Kerala Politics and he is not even an MLA .. Congress leader has been announced long back before elections..

Chidambaram is also back in Center..

MoD is busy sorting out a scandal on some army chiefs age...

 

[rockstarIN]

Yaa all put money in EFT.. which is also operated by Saudi and the tactics and details passsed on to them by the vendors along with the training ..

Also by the way the same will be passed onto pilots of adversaries who has got excellent relations with their airforce..


Yup go for it..

They can get the pepper plant, but monsoon?

 

[SpArK]

They can get the pepper plant, but monsoon?

Pepper is enough for the dish... the plant and monsoons doesnt matter.

 

[axisofevil]

By the time India makes a deal.....China would ve supplied countermeasures to PAkistan...

 

[Ammyy]

By the time India makes a deal.....China would ve supplied countermeasures to PAkistan...

Buddy even China dnt have any thing like EF or Rafele in their inventory

 

[sancho]

First "indirect" reaction on the Eurofighter website:

News - Eurofighter, Rafale asked to extend bids

Thursday, 28. April 2011

The Hindu, India - NEW DELHI: The Ministry of Defence on Wednesday asked European consortium's Eurofighter and French Dassault's Rafale to extend the commercial bids for the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft that are due to expire on Thursday.


The move could be interpreted as ‘down selection' from six competitors in the Rs. 45,000- crore deal that is expected to be finalised this fiscal.

Sources in the government told The Hindu that the Ministry despatched the letter, based on the Technical Evaluation Committee's report.

The commercial bids, which were re-submitted last year by the competitors, need to be extended. Once the bids are opened, the cost negotiation committee would start work.

Offset clause

The calculation would also have to factor in the steep offset clause as determined by the Defence Procurement Policy.

As per the terms of the deal, the competitors would have to show that they have the requisite tie-ups to fulfil the 50-per cent offset clause, which means that half of the value of the deal would have be sourced from Indian companies.

The Indian Air Force had handed over its report to the Ministry last year after rigorous and
extensive flight evaluation trials of the six fighter planes bidding for the deal.

Besides Eurofighter and Rafale, the others in the race are American companies Lockheed Martin (F-16IN Super Viper) and Boeing (F/A-18 Super Hornet), Swedish SAAB Gripen NG and Russian Mikoyan MiG35.

The sources said the Ministry's team undertook an elaborate exercise to determine the offset obligations of the competitors, and once the task was complete, the next stage would be determined on the basis of the technical evaluation.

Eurofighter: News Detail

 

[axisofevil]

Ak Anthony is the only reason why our defense situation has turned around for the better. Sue the process takes longer but what he is doing is turning around decades of corruption that has been institutionalized in defense procurement.

 

[SQ8]

Still not clear on the news..
Does this imply ONLY the rafale and EF make it on the shortlist?
OR
The Rafale and EF are the first ones on the shortlist?

In any case..
it will be the EF.. it has political, logistical.. and other advantages..

 

[KS]

Still not clear on the news..
Does this imply ONLY the rafale and EF make it on the shortlist?
OR
The Rafale and EF are the first ones on the shortlist?

The bolded part is true.

And the news is confirmed - Official release from SAAB website - Link

In any case..
it will be the EF.. it has political, logistical.. and other advantages..

Logistical - Rafale enjoys a huge adv over EF in that the IAF already operates the Mirage 2000 which share commonality with the Rafale.
Any more support to EF - you will be perma banned

 

[SpArK]

EF just got a new job ​

Flying in a box formation (above), the strike aircraft will be flown over Buckingham Palace at 13:30 local time on 29 April, "weather permitting". Both types are currently involved in combat action over Libya as part of NATO's Operation Unified Protector, with Tornado GR4s also deployed in Afghanistan
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PICTURE: RAF jets rehearse for Royal Wedding flypast