India seeks full membership of SCO

[huzihaidao12]

Many things like better trade relations,possible future UNSC permanent member & it is the world's largest democracy.

Empty meaningless, sir, and throw away your largest democracy.

 

[indian dream]

Empty meaningless, sir, and throw away your largest democracy.

Ask the russians then, why they invited india to join SCO.

 

[Varad]

Good point. Do you mean to go to defense, including India for the region? it certainly carry weight, but it also means giving up some of India's nonalignment policy, you know it?

I repeat it, you may not have deep understanding.

Like I said, if India can not join, India may can not bear this isolation.


Like I said, if India can not join, India may not bear this isolation.

And like i said nor will India go in a defense pact or will drop its non-aligned policy .I beleive you may have deep understanding but sometimes somethings are not easy to comprehend

Where? you can refer to?

Leave it man. Dont waste your time

 

[huzihaidao12]

At current stage India cant offer anything,more than that it is going to be a liability of us,I am strictly opposed of India joining SCO,dont know what exactly promoted GoI to take this new stance.

As many believe here this is not some military cooperation,imagine a military cooperation were India is thy ally of China and Pakistan,all those exercisec performed by SCO are just some counter terror operation's.

SCI is even not relevant as an economic cooperation for us,as only China and Russia are the influential members in it,both of them already present in BRICS and already we have a more than good relation with Russia,the other member in it is Kazakh with whom we also have deep relation's,we even have nuclear trade with them.

SCO will be only act good for us if SCO makes Pakistan allow it's supply root to central asia for us,if eventually that is not happening ,then what good is SCO for us.

Sir, no offense, but many things are not so simple as you said.

 

[Obambam]

The USA was doing ecoomic harm to Russia in the cold war also. It was at that time too India remain non-aligned even when Pakistan was a full US ally.Regarding the US policies on Russia or China i dont see any thing that India needs to be concerned about. Each country has different policies regarding other.

The differences are, india is no longer just a nobody anymore and Russia is trying hard to get back to where they once were. So if India isn't fully supportive, then it will never be Russia's reliable trusted friend, but instead be relegated to the trade partner category. China is alongside Russia when it comes down to world politics and often engages the west on economical, defense or global issues. Unless India wants to shy itself from world politics, they would have to pick a side. So India, in fact, has to be very concerned about its stance when it comes to world politics or remain weak on world politics. You cannot abstain or back away forever.

You make too much of a little thing friend.This is the same Russia, the same USA, and the West that is openely supportinf India's UNSC seat. Have you ever heard a negative statement after the mmrca. You tend to much on deals alone man.

The Hindu : News / National : Russia reaffirms backing for India’s seat in UNSC
The Indo- US and the Indo- Russia is set to grow in the coming years. There is no need and nor India will join any bloc aimed against any other.

Like I said before, Russia isn't in bad terms with India. Just not as close as it could have been. In regards to the India has no need to join any bloc. I believe your government had already made the decision for you to join. It's not aimed at anyone but it is concerned with regional stability. The west is known for trying to contain China and Russia, therefore there is a likelihood that one day the structure of the bloc may change to allow for greater protection on the regions. Nothing is certain and policies do change overtime, it's not like they have put pen to paper to ensure that this isn't going to become a military bloc. But as of now, it will still be a defense bloc, not targetting anyone. Just like how NATO's planned missile defense shield to the west of Russia isn't meant for targeting them.

Come on man again looking at this from a narrow perspective. Ill go by you approach that centers a relationships on a defense deal. I suggest look at the number of deals Russia have with us and it is set to grow. India has made it clear Russia is an all weather ally. The Indo-Russia friendship will scale heights in the coming years

India made it clear (verbally) but it's intention to honour those words wasn't very clear. That was precisely Russia's concern. The trade relations will continue to grow albeit slowly due to having more options, but there's no gaurantee that its diplomacy won't take a few more denting unless India shows more commitment and to lean more to the Russian camp. The only thing seperating India from china is trade, politically India is still lacking behind and if Russia can open up its market to the ME, African and Latin American continent, then it would drastically hamper the Russo-Indo relationship. India knows well enough that America will not allow for ToT so it cannot allow itself to become heavily dependent on Western technology. So it needs to at least meet Russia half way and by sitting on the fence to take benefits from both doesn't constitute to commiting to their so called 'all weather relationship'. If India wants to enjoy an 'all weather' relationship such as the one enjoyed by China-Pakistan, then India mustn't shy away from being a strong dependable political ally and being strong dependable trading partner. Worse is to have a trade partner and political ally that sways left and right under pressure.

Face value of India compared to Pakistan

Yes and there's nothing wrong with that. Russia already acknowledged Pakistan as a trade partner and a future ally.

Read what CD has said its not a military alliance.

I never said it was. But that doesn't mean it cannot either. As of now, they are focussed solely on regional stability and defense. Knowing how politics change, you simply cannot be too certain. Especially if the west is directly affecting the stability and its role within the region. But right now it is just as neutral as NATO and are more concerned with its regional affairs.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Ask the russians then, why they invited india to join SCO.

Russia has always wanted to, they did not succeed, just as China has been to Pakistan, we have not succeeded in the past ten years. Why did Russia change its position, you know?

 

[IND151]

India should join sco. it is in interest of India as we will have good relations with central Asian nations. currently we have not so close ties with them.

imagine how much we can gain if we can get access to oil of central Asia. our economy will get massive boom.

 

[indian dream]

Russia has always wanted to, they did not succeed, just as China has been to Pakistan, we have not succeeded in the past ten years. Why did Russia change its position, you know?

I dont know what you meant to say here...

 

[Varad]

I never said it was. But that doesn't mean it cannot either. As of now, they are focussed solely on regional stability and defense. Knowing how politics change, you simply cannot be too certain. Especially if the west is directly affecting the stability and its role within the region. But right now it is just as neutral as NATO and are more concerned with its regional affairs.

I am sorry i am only answering this post only as the other points you made have a different perspective about Indian diplomacy regarding other countries than me. Regarding a military alliance i posted earlier that India will sign a charter and any changes to that which may affect India's non aligned policy gives India right to withdraw from the SCO. So, these are speculative things lets wait for the future.Till then i see no harm in India joining SCO

 

[Paan Singh]

bam bam is on SCO payroll surely...he is giving day n night classes

 

[huzihaidao12]

And like i said nor will India go in a defense pact or will drop its non-aligned policy .I beleive you may have deep understanding but sometimes somethings are not easy to comprehend







Leave it man. Dont waste your time

This is a bbs discussion, even if you are more open to you, do not have any impact on real life.

Mutual Defense Treaty, I do not think there will be in the short term, but there may be maintenance of regional security agreements and protocols to fight terrorism, but, sir, we all know what that is? what is its direction? to see whether the Government of India Sufficient flexibility in this. if India is to join, it is a can not evade responsibility.

 

[prototype]

Sir, no offense, but many things are not so simple as you said.

I was expecting some more elaboration than that single line,what r the tings here u dont find simple,I am listening.

 

[Varad]

This is a bbs discussion, even if you are more open to you, do not have any impact on real life.

Mutual Defense Treaty, I do not think there will be in the short term, but there may be maintenance of regional security agreements and protocols to fight terrorism, but, sir, we all know what that is? its direction? to see whether the Government of India Sufficient flexibility in this. if India is to join, it is a can not evade responsibility.

Yes man and this treaty is not there now. In future if such sort of changes are made, India has the option of leaving it.

 

[DarK-LorD]

This is a bbs discussion, even if you are more open to you, do not have any impact on real life.

Mutual Defense Treaty, I do not think there will be in the short term, but there may be maintenance of regional security agreements and protocols to fight terrorism, but, sir, we all know what that is? what is its direction? to see whether the Government of India Sufficient flexibility in this. if India is to join, it is a can not evade responsibility.

GOI doesn't have any problem in signing Counterterror treaties.

 

[Paan Singh]

why not collaborate SAARC with SCO??????
it will be like europe!!!