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India Scraps Domestic Jet Engine Plan

Will start when you will stop talking bull sh!t. Now off you go....

India lead the world in call center market share. It should focus and build on its strength instead of technology it is incapable of. Also, a bigger call center market share will hire more people and bring more people out of poverty.
 
India need to stop trying to do everything itself. It should focus on call center technology and improve the verbal skills of its operators

Trashed talked by many, hated by some. Guess how many fucks we give ? It's less than one :woot:
 
At PointBlank:

1. Kaveri engine still needs years of development.

2. Your UAV is only a model.

3. China has real industrial-sized UAVs. The Chinese "Soar Dragon," now that's an UAV.

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges

yHZxr.jpg

Clearest Soar Dragon picture to date

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges | AVIATION WEEK

"Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges
By David A. Fulghum, Bill Sweetman
Jul 1, 2011

The latest unmanned aircraft pictures from China show a reconnaissance truck with a joined wing and tail that could considerably increase range and payload and produce better handling at high altitudes.

U.S. analysts already are suggesting that the new Chinese UAV design — with its 60,000-ft. cruising altitude, 300-mi. radar surveillance range and low radar reflectivity if it uses the right composite structure — could serve as the targeting node for China’s anti-ship ballistic missiles. The ASBM threat against carriers finally has U.S. Navy officials worried.

Photographs emerging from Chinese Internet sources, depicting the aircraft on what is likely Chengdu Aircraft Corporation’s (CAC) ramp, show a new design featuring a novel joined-wing layout. In the same size class as the General Atomics-Aeronautical Systems Inc. Avenger, and powered by a single turbofan engine, the new UAV is the most advanced Chinese design seen to date and the largest joined-wing aircraft known to have been built.

The company also makes the J-10 strike fighter, the J-20 stealth fighter prototype and a Global Hawk-like maritime reconnaissance UAV called the Xianglong, or Soaring Dragon, which flew in December 2009. CAC officials say it has a wingspan of 75 ft., length of 45 ft. and a cruise altitude of 55,000-to-60,000 ft. Chinese sources credited it with a 7,500-kg (16,500-lb.) takeoff weight and 3,800 nm range. The forebody is bulged to accommodate a high-data-rate satcom antenna.

Joined wings — a subset of closed-wing systems — comprise a sweptback forward wing and a forward-swept aft wing.

In the new Chinese UAV (as in many such configurations) the rear wing is higher than the forward wing to reduce the effect of the forward wing’s downwash on the rear wing’s lifting qualities. The rear wing has a shorter span than the front wing and its downturned tips meet the front wing at a part-span point.

Advocates of the joined wing claim that its advantages stem from the fact that the front and rear wings are structurally cross-braced.

This allows a higher aspect ratio while keeping down weight and staying within flutter limits. A higher aspect ratio reduces drag due to lift, and because the wings are both slender and short-span (relative to a single wing with equivalent lift) the wing chords are short, which makes it easier to achieve laminar flow. The joined wing also can reduce trim drag.

Studies of joined wings go back to the earliest years of aviation, but modern work is traceable to Julian Wolkovitch, a California aerodynamicist.

Wolkovitch worked with Burt Rutan on an early design study, the Model 58 Predator agricultural airplane, and drew up plans to develop a flight demonstrator based on the fuselage of the Ames-Dryden AD-1 skewed-wing aircraft. However, the project was still unfunded when Wolkovitch died in 1991. (Rutan went on to build a different Predator design.)

More recently, Boeing used a joined-wing configuration in its contribution to the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL) SensorCraft project, aimed at developing an aircraft capable of carrying an airframe-integrated, 360-deg.-coverage, high-resolution radar and remaining on station for 30 hr. at 2,000 nm range.

A small, low-speed free-flight model known as VA-1, with a 14-ft. wingspan, was completed by AFRL in 2003 and test flown.

A model of Boeing’s Joined Wing SensorCraft was tested last year in NASA Langley’s Transonic Dynamics Tunnel under the Air Force’s Aerodynamic Efficiency Improvement program."

[Note: Thank you to Qwerrty for the news link.]
 
anyone with half a brain knew this would happen.
indians just dont have the technical capability to build their own engines. they certainly cannot innovate and they dont even have the basic capability to reverse engineer. they are at the bottom rung.

they laugh at our engine ws-10 (which is already in the j-11b), while their own one cant even get off the ground.
utter humiliation to the boasting 81'ers.

this is typical indians, they brag alot but when it comes to actually delivering results, these guys must be the worst out of all the 200 countries on this planet.
eg. commonwealth games farce, high gdp growth to overtake china, mumbai to overtake shanghai in 5 years, retail FDI promises, kaveri engine farce, etc

one failure after another. no wonder they are such a primitive country with more poverty than africa. just sums up their country and their people and their culture in general. they are number 1 at boasting and promising grand things, but fire blanks pretty much every single time on those promises.

even that agni v missile was a glorified IRBM, yet they boast as if its an ICBM. they boast about their space launch capabilties and how by 2015 they will send a man to space, yet now we hear some clown from their space agency saying it will be 2020 before that happens. well if they say 2020, then we can safely say it will be atleast 2030 before they put a man in space.

this is the same country that cant win 5 medals at an olympics but is the first to laugh at china.

as i said, this mentality of laughing at others while they are decades behind shows why india will always be a laughing stock.
india is nothing but a client state of america. their own people worship the white man like gods.

Its very easy to copy the stuff as chinese doing. J11b is cheap copy of sukhoi 27. ws 10 engine is cheap copy of russian AL 31 engine. With this prototype aircraft
crashed in 2009 during a test flight. If you think copying is great them we are manufacturing su 30mki, in India with its engine too. Under licence manufacturing.
 
Here comes people to show off their toys where we are actually talking about our engine.........go create a new thread of your own, don't paste your items here...
 
Its very easy to copy the stuff as chinese doing. J11b is cheap copy of sukhoi 27. ws 10 engine is cheap copy of russian AL 31 engine. With this prototype aircraft
crashed in 2009 during a test flight. If you think copying is great them we are manufacturing su 30mki, in India with its engine too. Under licence manufacturing.

Did Russia transfer all the technology necessary to build the engine for MKI, which include the machine tools to manufacture the jet engine blade and the ability to process the raw material needed to create even every single nut and bolt? If India need to ship even the raw material from Russia, than the TOT is worthless.
 
At PointBlank:

1. Kaveri engine still needs years of development.

2. Your UAV is only a model.

3. China has real industrial-sized UAVs. The Chinese "Soar Dragon," now that's an UAV.

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges

yHZxr.jpg

Clearest Soar Dragon picture to date

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges | AVIATION WEEK

"Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges
By David A. Fulghum, Bill Sweetman
Jul 1, 2011

The latest unmanned aircraft pictures from China show a reconnaissance truck with a joined wing and tail that could considerably increase range and payload and produce better handling at high altitudes.

U.S. analysts already are suggesting that the new Chinese UAV design — with its 60,000-ft. cruising altitude, 300-mi. radar surveillance range and low radar reflectivity if it uses the right composite structure — could serve as the targeting node for China’s anti-ship ballistic missiles. The ASBM threat against carriers finally has U.S. Navy officials worried.

Photographs emerging from Chinese Internet sources, depicting the aircraft on what is likely Chengdu Aircraft Corporation’s (CAC) ramp, show a new design featuring a novel joined-wing layout. In the same size class as the General Atomics-Aeronautical Systems Inc. Avenger, and powered by a single turbofan engine, the new UAV is the most advanced Chinese design seen to date and the largest joined-wing aircraft known to have been built.

The company also makes the J-10 strike fighter, the J-20 stealth fighter prototype and a Global Hawk-like maritime reconnaissance UAV called the Xianglong, or Soaring Dragon, which flew in December 2009. CAC officials say it has a wingspan of 75 ft., length of 45 ft. and a cruise altitude of 55,000-to-60,000 ft. Chinese sources credited it with a 7,500-kg (16,500-lb.) takeoff weight and 3,800 nm range. The forebody is bulged to accommodate a high-data-rate satcom antenna.

Joined wings — a subset of closed-wing systems — comprise a sweptback forward wing and a forward-swept aft wing.

In the new Chinese UAV (as in many such configurations) the rear wing is higher than the forward wing to reduce the effect of the forward wing’s downwash on the rear wing’s lifting qualities. The rear wing has a shorter span than the front wing and its downturned tips meet the front wing at a part-span point.

Advocates of the joined wing claim that its advantages stem from the fact that the front and rear wings are structurally cross-braced.

This allows a higher aspect ratio while keeping down weight and staying within flutter limits. A higher aspect ratio reduces drag due to lift, and because the wings are both slender and short-span (relative to a single wing with equivalent lift) the wing chords are short, which makes it easier to achieve laminar flow. The joined wing also can reduce trim drag.

Studies of joined wings go back to the earliest years of aviation, but modern work is traceable to Julian Wolkovitch, a California aerodynamicist.

Wolkovitch worked with Burt Rutan on an early design study, the Model 58 Predator agricultural airplane, and drew up plans to develop a flight demonstrator based on the fuselage of the Ames-Dryden AD-1 skewed-wing aircraft. However, the project was still unfunded when Wolkovitch died in 1991. (Rutan went on to build a different Predator design.)

More recently, Boeing used a joined-wing configuration in its contribution to the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL) SensorCraft project, aimed at developing an aircraft capable of carrying an airframe-integrated, 360-deg.-coverage, high-resolution radar and remaining on station for 30 hr. at 2,000 nm range.

A small, low-speed free-flight model known as VA-1, with a 14-ft. wingspan, was completed by AFRL in 2003 and test flown.

A model of Boeing’s Joined Wing SensorCraft was tested last year in NASA Langley’s Transonic Dynamics Tunnel under the Air Force’s Aerodynamic Efficiency Improvement program."

[Note: Thank you to Qwerrty for the news link.]

Why not talk more about SAC? Would it be because its no different than HAL of India?

What China did differently than India is that it didn't put all the eggs in one basket. Its has two different institutes make up of totally different engineers, which is in effect almost like two separately companies, competing against one another. As a result, one shows creativity and progress and the other one not so much.

India is putting all its eggs in HAL and when the HAL mess up, India is left holding a bunch of spoiled rotten eggs.
 
At PointBlank:

1. Kaveri engine still needs years of development.

2. Your UAV is only a model.

3. China has real industrial-sized UAVs. The Chinese "Soar Dragon," now that's an UAV.

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges

yHZxr.jpg

Clearest Soar Dragon picture to date

Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges | AVIATION WEEK

"Innovative New Chinese UAV Emerges
By David A. Fulghum, Bill Sweetman
Jul 1, 2011

The latest unmanned aircraft pictures from China show a reconnaissance truck with a joined wing and tail that could considerably increase range and payload and produce better handling at high altitudes.

U.S. analysts already are suggesting that the new Chinese UAV design — with its 60,000-ft. cruising altitude, 300-mi. radar surveillance range and low radar reflectivity if it uses the right composite structure — could serve as the targeting node for China’s anti-ship ballistic missiles. The ASBM threat against carriers finally has U.S. Navy officials worried.

Photographs emerging from Chinese Internet sources, depicting the aircraft on what is likely Chengdu Aircraft Corporation’s (CAC) ramp, show a new design featuring a novel joined-wing layout. In the same size class as the General Atomics-Aeronautical Systems Inc. Avenger, and powered by a single turbofan engine, the new UAV is the most advanced Chinese design seen to date and the largest joined-wing aircraft known to have been built.

The company also makes the J-10 strike fighter, the J-20 stealth fighter prototype and a Global Hawk-like maritime reconnaissance UAV called the Xianglong, or Soaring Dragon, which flew in December 2009. CAC officials say it has a wingspan of 75 ft., length of 45 ft. and a cruise altitude of 55,000-to-60,000 ft. Chinese sources credited it with a 7,500-kg (16,500-lb.) takeoff weight and 3,800 nm range. The forebody is bulged to accommodate a high-data-rate satcom antenna.

Joined wings — a subset of closed-wing systems — comprise a sweptback forward wing and a forward-swept aft wing.

In the new Chinese UAV (as in many such configurations) the rear wing is higher than the forward wing to reduce the effect of the forward wing’s downwash on the rear wing’s lifting qualities. The rear wing has a shorter span than the front wing and its downturned tips meet the front wing at a part-span point.

Advocates of the joined wing claim that its advantages stem from the fact that the front and rear wings are structurally cross-braced.

This allows a higher aspect ratio while keeping down weight and staying within flutter limits. A higher aspect ratio reduces drag due to lift, and because the wings are both slender and short-span (relative to a single wing with equivalent lift) the wing chords are short, which makes it easier to achieve laminar flow. The joined wing also can reduce trim drag.

Studies of joined wings go back to the earliest years of aviation, but modern work is traceable to Julian Wolkovitch, a California aerodynamicist.

Wolkovitch worked with Burt Rutan on an early design study, the Model 58 Predator agricultural airplane, and drew up plans to develop a flight demonstrator based on the fuselage of the Ames-Dryden AD-1 skewed-wing aircraft. However, the project was still unfunded when Wolkovitch died in 1991. (Rutan went on to build a different Predator design.)

More recently, Boeing used a joined-wing configuration in its contribution to the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL) SensorCraft project, aimed at developing an aircraft capable of carrying an airframe-integrated, 360-deg.-coverage, high-resolution radar and remaining on station for 30 hr. at 2,000 nm range.

A small, low-speed free-flight model known as VA-1, with a 14-ft. wingspan, was completed by AFRL in 2003 and test flown.

A model of Boeing’s Joined Wing SensorCraft was tested last year in NASA Langley’s Transonic Dynamics Tunnel under the Air Force’s Aerodynamic Efficiency Improvement program."

[Note: Thank you to Qwerrty for the news link.]
read my post fully i told i am not sure it will be applied to aura , but who said it needs development it is already operational it produced max 85kn thrust which wa not enough for LCA ACCORDING TO IAF requirements , as for the article u posted i don't see anything jet powered in those INNOVATIVE designs
EDIT:nvm didnt see the inlet in the image , even so it does not change the fact that the engine can be used to powered a uav
 
Does China have an engine of approx Kaveri specifications ?? Plz rant about your oversized WS-X engines somewhere else..

:woot: :woot:

i can wirte such 'specification' on a piece of paper, India's capability is just as much as that...U.S is most advanced country in almost every fields, but even that they still making plans according to their capability, people on earth will never hear them ranting about to make spacebattileships......but india as at primitive industrial level, but always dream high``

kid now you know why your country is so primitive and laught by others`?
 
Its very easy to copy the stuff as chinese doing. J11b is cheap copy of sukhoi 27. ws 10 engine is cheap copy of russian AL 31 engine. With this prototype aircraft
crashed in 2009 during a test flight. If you think copying is great them we are manufacturing su 30mki, in India with its engine too. Under licence manufacturing.
your funny indian aviation knowledge just ends there``lol
if modern fighter jet and engine can be easily copied, N.K will be the superpower and, India will be one of them too```as I have been doing business with indians long time, I know it very well your people's work ethic (which is no ehtic)
 
this is definitely the best thread ive ever read on PDF.

indians are getting humiliated and they dont know what to do or where to look.
all the insults and jokes they made about our ws-10 engine and about how great the kaveri was and now we hear the kaveri is a total flop.

just like how the PLA humiliated the indian military in 1962, this thread is the PDF equivalent of that. indian posters are being humiliated.
:coffee:no1 is getting humiliated , it is just that u woke up from ur wet dream
BTW good morning:azn: go brush and take a bath , sitting for long durations on a PC is not good for health u know?
 
read my post fully i told i am not sure it will be applied to aura , but who said it needs development it is already operational it produced max 85kn thrust which wa not enough for LCA ACCORDING TO IAF requirements , as for the article u posted i don't see anything jet powered in those INNOVATIVE designs
EDIT:nvm didnt see the inlet in the image , even so it does not change the fact that the engine can be used to powered a uav

Here is a reputable citation that the Kaveri is not operational.

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Outlook bleak for India

"Outlook bleak for India’s Kaveri jet engine
By: Greg Waldron | Singapore
04:13 16 May 2012

India has no fixed plans to fully develop the indigenous Kaveri fighter engine for the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Tejas aircraft.

"The Defence Research Development Organisation [DRDO] has not fixed any timeframe to fully develop the Kaveri Aero Engine for the [Tejas]," says defence minister AK Antony.

The announcement is the closest New Delhi has come to abandoning the long-delayed engine programme, which has suffered from major performance issues and cost overruns.

Antony noted that the Tejas requires an engine capable of producing 90kN (20,200lb) of thrust, but the "Kaveri does not fully meet this requirement."

"Therefore, it has been decided to use variants of Kaveri engine to power unmanned air vehicles and also for marine applications," he says.

He adds, however, that a Kaveri jet engine could be tested aboard a Tejas Mk 1 in another three years. This suggests that major issues still need to be ironed out before the engine is married to a manned fighter.

Antony made the comments in a written reply to a question in parliament.

The Tejas Mk I uses the General Electric F404 power plant, while the planned Tejas Mk II will use the General Electric F414.

In March, Antony told parliament that the Kaveri's development cost was Rs28.39 billion ($528 million), nearly 10 times greater than the Rs3.83 billion originally allocated."
 
this is definitely the best thread ive ever read on PDF.

indians are getting humiliated and they dont know what to do or where to look.
all the insults and jokes they made about our ws-10 engine and about how great the kaveri was and now we hear the kaveri is a total flop.

just like how the PLA humiliated the indian military in 1962, this thread is the PDF equivalent of that. indian posters are being humiliated.

There is no need for Chinese members to humiliate Indians in this thread. The title speak for itself.
 
There is no need for Chinese members to humiliate Indians in this thread. The title speak for itself.

Actually some Indians, like PointBlank, think the Kaveri engine is operational. We're here to pop that delusion (see below).

So you're wrong. We need to inform our Indian colleagues that their Kaveri is dead as a doornail.

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Here is a reputable citation that the Kaveri is not operational.

Outlook bleak for India

"Outlook bleak for India’s Kaveri jet engine
By: Greg Waldron | Singapore
04:13 16 May 2012

India has no fixed plans to fully develop the indigenous Kaveri fighter engine for the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Tejas aircraft.

"The Defence Research Development Organisation [DRDO] has not fixed any timeframe to fully develop the Kaveri Aero Engine for the [Tejas]," says defence minister AK Antony.

The announcement is the closest New Delhi has come to abandoning the long-delayed engine programme, which has suffered from major performance issues and cost overruns.

Antony noted that the Tejas requires an engine capable of producing 90kN (20,200lb) of thrust, but the "Kaveri does not fully meet this requirement."

"Therefore, it has been decided to use variants of Kaveri engine to power unmanned air vehicles and also for marine applications," he says.

He adds, however, that a Kaveri jet engine could be tested aboard a Tejas Mk 1 in another three years. This suggests that major issues still need to be ironed out before the engine is married to a manned fighter.

Antony made the comments in a written reply to a question in parliament.

The Tejas Mk I uses the General Electric F404 power plant, while the planned Tejas Mk II will use the General Electric F414.

In March, Antony told parliament that the Kaveri's development cost was Rs28.39 billion ($528 million), nearly 10 times greater than the Rs3.83 billion originally allocated."
 
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