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India’s Quiet Counter-China Strategy

No he probably did earnestly try to learn about Chinese history but he went into it looking for evidence of Chinese capriciousness and evils that he sees in Chinese communism. This is something no true student of history would do and really no honest person would do. He found hate first then went looking for reasons to hate.

LOL, this guy thinks he can tell whether someone is genetically Han or not, by analyzing them over the internet. :D

Maybe he thinks someone here is of the Zhuang ethnicity. :P
 
I would LOVE to see this "Tiki" guy visiting China, and trying to whine to an average person on the street, about "Legalism" and how Chinese people carry around this concept in our genetics. :D

That is if they understood.

And also not lived in denial as you.
 
What do you expect from a frog in a well, but its understandable since over 90% of those frogs never got a chance to get out of their country.

Difference between Indian frog and Chinese frog is that in our well world(read information) can come and go with any censorship. Indian frog is more informed than a Chinese frog:sick:
 
Not sure what you mean by that? Are you throwing this just for showing off or have you been wooed by someone who claimed to be an expert on china? Legalism is very far from the minds of most ordinary chinese.

It's like saying hinduism is embedded in indian psyche, frankely what the hell does that mean?

I guess you are on different channels from the rest of us.

regards,

Not trying to be disparaging but Legalism is a product under the condition of the warring states (and what is war about? Efficiency.) and adopted by Qin. It has been criticised by many ancient and contemporary authors as too materialistic and a though that focuse too much on the dark side of human psycho and overlook the good side. (Alarmingly modern western 'strategic thought' tends to shift closer to traditional legalist thought nowadays).

Qin dynasty was overthrown for embracing the legalist thought too whole heartly and it has never been popular in subsequent dynasties. I would say both confucianism and daoism (and even buddhism) has a larger share in shaping chinese governing systems and society trends than legalism.

If anything, legalism contributed to a very systematic and efficient layout of governing organisations/department in chinese dynasties - You have an emperor with final say in matters but in all other respects it is almost republic like - in short the change are structural (and a good improvement over the feudal/hereditary arrangement for officials).

Officials positions were no longer passed on from father to son but able people were selected from imperial exams open to all civilians. Each department have very specific set of laws to follow and the emperior mainly concerns with diplomacy, warfare, succession, natural disaster planning.
 
It may interest you that the Tik guy, hilarious that he is, is rather conversant with issues of China since he finds the study of China most fascinating.

No, you are really not. :no:

As many others have pointed out above, the average Chinese person on the street couldn't care less about all this stuff you are throwing out, and would probably laugh at you.

You think that you understand, but you probably understand less than even an average Indian. As they say: "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing".
 
It is nice that we have this forum to exchange views. Increase understanding between countries is beneficial for all. But you shouldn't say people of so and so country is like this, and here is a frame to box them in, and this is how they would always react etc etc.

Chinese are as individualistic as anyone else.

Else, heh, why are there so many chinese traitors throughout history? They obviously don't behave like drones.
 
You can always check with mods when in doubt..

The reason I made the comment is because I was replying to you, and the other poster said, "I made an Interesting observation", somehow claiming your post as his "observation". :what:
 
Difference between Indian frog and Chinese frog is that in our well world(read information) can come and go with any censorship. Indian frog is more informed than a Chinese frog:sick:

Maybe that is why some Indian frog told me that India has the largest constellation of satellites. People really need to dig a big well before installing the largest constellation of satellites.
 
No, you are really not. :no:

As many others have pointed out above, the average Chinese person on the street couldn't care less about all this stuff you are throwing out, and would probably laugh at you.

You think that you understand, but you probably understand less than even an average Indian. As they say: "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing".

It is nice that we have this forum to exchange views. Increase understanding between countries is beneficial for all. But you shouldn't say people of so and so country is like this, and here is a frame to box them in, and this is how they would always react etc etc.

Chinese are as individualistic as anyone else.

Else, heh, why are there so many chinese traitors throughout history? They obviously don't behave like drones.

Since it is always interesting to interact, let me respond.

1. Someone mentioned about Indian and Chinese frogs.

Well as far as the Chinese frog is concerned, there is no doubt about the limited vision it has since it has been reiterated by none other than The Great Helmsman Mao Tse Tung.

He told the Chinese people, who he thought were frogs, the following:

“We think too small, like the frog at the bottom of the well. He thinks the sky is only as big as the top of the well. If he surfaced, he would have an entirely different view.”

Mao Tse-Tung


Now, if the Great Helmsman Mao thought so, who am I to dispute?

While I might not subscribe to all views of the Great Helmsman, yet there is no doubt that he was a wise man and proved by bringing a indolent and lazy, visonless frogs in the well with limited view lot into the heights that they claim to have reached.

That settles the frog issue.

2. As far as none in China believes in the Theory of Legalism.

Let us see the purpose of Legalism.

The entire system was set up to make model citizens behave and act how the dynasty wanted them to act against their will. The laws supported by the Legalists were meant to support the state, the emperor, and his military. They were also reform-oriented and innovative. In theory, the Legalists believed that if the punishments were heavy and the law equally applied, neither the powerful nor the weak would be able to escape state control. The Legalists especially emphasized pragmatism over precedence and custom as the basis of law. Guided by Legalist thought, the First Qin Emperor, Qin Shi Huang, would weaken the power of the feudal lords, divide the unified empire into thirty-six administrative provinces, and standardize the writing system. Reflecting Legalist passion for order and structure, Qin soldiers were only mobilized when both halves of tiger-shaped tallies (one held by the ruler and the other by the commanding general) were brought together. Likewise, all documents in the empire had to have recorded the year they were written, the scribe who copied them, and up to the exact hour of delivery. Accepting Shang Yang’s earlier emphasis on the standardization of weights and measures, the Qin Shi Huang would also accept Shang Yang’s philosophy that no individual in the state should be above the law (by ensuring harsh punishments for all cases of dissent) and that families should be divided into smaller households. While there is reason to doubt Sima Qian’s claim that Qin Shi Huang did in fact divide households into groups of ten, certainly the other examples of standardization and administrative organization undertaken by the First Emperor reflect the importance of Legalist thought in Qin law. Based on promoting the interests of the state Qin, the law (Chinese: 法; pinyin: fǎ; literally "law, method, way") served as a vehicle to both control the populace and eliminate dissent.

Now, it would be surprising if it is said that it is not in vogue now!!

What is totalitarianism all about?

Of course the Chinese will laugh as you say so eloquently. Why should they not? It is the best way to avoid embarrassing realities - Laugh it off and pretend it does not exist.

3. Why are there traitors in Chinese history?

You tell us. if I say anything you would take it as an offence!

4. Do I understand? and do I know less than the average Indian about China?

Maybe I understand less than many. No qualms on that. Of course, you all understand everything about everything.

However, I do understand one thing - Chinese run away from bitter truth and are too obsessed to obfuscate and attempt to throw red herrings to veer off the attention from embarrassing issues. If they were honest in their approach, then they would have had the courage to debunk each point not by running away and obfuscating, but facing the issue head on.

As for Taiwan and its origin, much could be said.
 
@Tiki Tam Tam

You are a very knowledgeable Indians, at least you know "Legalism(法家)." I'm very very surprised you know that.

But I want to tell you, legalism is not the only values ​​of the Chinese people. "Confucianism(儒家)" is also the Chinese people's values.
The real Chinese people is "Outside-Confucianism and Inside-Legalism(外儒内法)."

Obviously, you only know half of the values ​​of the Chinese people.

"Legalism(法家)"
Legalism (Chinese philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Confucianism(儒家)"
Confucianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Outside-Confucianism and Inside-Legalism(外儒内法)"
?_???
 
Maybe that is why some Indian frog told me that India has the largest constellation of satellites. People really need to dig a big well before installing the largest constellation of satellites.

No point directing that smug comment towards me, it was your country man who started this frog well shyte. Besides misinformation in not the same as censored information. You won't know the difference dw.
 
@Tiki Tam Tam

Also you need to understand that, you are attacking not only the Chinese people's values.
"Legalism(法家)", "Confucianism(儒家)", "Outside-Confucianism and Inside-Legalism(外儒内法)". These is the values ​​of all East and Southeast Asia.
 
It may interest you that the Tik guy, hilarious that he is, is rather conversant with issues of China since he finds the study of China most fascinating.

We find the western analysis of Chinese culture to be racist, shallow and on the whole, more propaganda than scholarship. Seriously, I can predict what the content of an article will be by the name of the author and the title of the article. If people wrote articles with the same content, but replaced Chinese with Jewish, they'd be banned in seconds.

1.) China is cultureless, it love to become westernized! They all love American jeans, movies, etc and only communist party suppressing them from getting fat off McDonalds! After all, they have LEGALISM in their blood!

2.) China is a big bad communist power. They kill tibetans and kick babies for fun. Their footballs are made from live cats. We should borrow another trillion from them and finance our war machine to kill more Muslims for oil. More money for the army!

3.) China is still a feudal monarchy. Low IQ primitive Chinese can never appreciate modern concepts like freedom and democracy. They're selfish, dirty, smelly, greedy and dumb. Nothing like us white men. We colonized hong kong for 300 years and now it's rich. If only we succeeded in enslaving China for 1000 years, maybe they'll be rich too.

I think this covers it, did I miss something? This is the sh*t that passes for China scholarship today, because western China scholars are just paid for racist propaganda. :tdown:
 
@Tiki Tam Tam

You are a very knowledgeable Indians, at least you know "Legalism(法家)." I'm very very surprised you know that.

But I want to tell you, legalism is not the only values ​​of the Chinese people. "Confucianism(儒家)" is also the Chinese people's values.
The real Chinese people is "Outside-Confucianism and Inside-Legalism(外儒内法)."

Obviously, you only know half of the values ​​of the Chinese people.

"Legalism(法家)"
Legalism (Chinese philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Confucianism(儒家)"
Confucianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Outside-Confucianism and Inside-Legalism(外儒内法)"
?_???


I don't think I know much about anything.

I always try to learn more and from anyone who has the time to teach.

I know Legalism because I find it important not to just meet people, but to understand them. Understanding people is most important.

Whatever I have brought up is to tell people, let us not be superficial. Let us try to understand what makes people tick and even if some facts are uncomfortable, let us say it gently.

Most people think that Pakistani and Indians are at each others throat in real life. It maybe so in forums, but not in real life.

If someone feels that it brings joy to an Indian with what is going on in Pakistan, then one is sadly mistaken. Whatever is going on there is causing problems in the whole neighbourhood.

I daresay my posts on Pakistan is anyway laced with anti Pakistan jingoism.

Even on China I have tried to look at reality, but then if one is constantly being needled, then one must say where the line lies!

I think this covers it, did I miss something? This is the sh*t that passes for China scholarship today, because western China scholars are just paid for racist propaganda.

Take this example.

It is infantile.

In fact, the whole lots from where I quoted above is totally infantile.

Racist?

Western paid propaganda?

Why have the Indians or whoever no mind of their own?

Any of the posters here are paid by the West?

Are you all paid by PRC, though I have heard the term 50 cent Army.

I think it is so juvenile.

This said post goes to state that China is culture less!

Does this honourable poster think that people, other than the Chinese, are illiterate not aware of the Chinese civilisation and the heritage that it has bequeathed to the world?

It is the poster who lack the beauty of the Chinese civilisation. He uses word like sh...!

He typifies the decadence that has set in, in China.

The West is hardly an example to ape!
 
Has anyone noticed a trend in western media?

If you make racist attacks against China, that's absolutely fine. Short of saying they're subhumans, pretty much anything goes.

But even dare disagree with the Jews (half the power in the Wall Street Regime), you're labled a racist, anti semite, Nazi.
 
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