India reduces citizenship fee for Hindus, minorities from Pakistan

[Jackdaws]

Your real victory would be to take Islam out of Bengal. You could remove Pakistan and will remain successful in that. The real question is can you remove Islam? As long as Islam remains, India will never have what it wants. It is Islam which has ensured that the blood shed by Indian soldiers in 1971 was wasted trying to humiliate one group of Muslims (many of them not even practising).


Who captured Hindu women in medieval battles?

For starters, I doubt India has the intention of removing Islam from anywhere. What do you think India wants by the way?

The medieval era is long since over. Arabs look down upon all South Asians but they don't necessarily hate Hindus.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

As long as Islam remains, India will never have what it wants. It is Islam which has ensured that the blood shed by Indian soldiers in 1971 was wasted trying to humiliate one group of Muslims (many of them not even practising).

Here you make a mistake. India knew that having BD as Muslim majority was a problem. Internal reports mentioned the doubts regarding annexing etc. But the unified leadership was broken. The unified command structure of the GHQ was broken.

That was vital. Otherwise we would have lost the entire North East by now. Imagine today's Islamized Bengalis under Pakistani leadership and the Pak Eastern GHQ coordinating with the Chinese. India would have been finished in the East. Buddhism would have seen its death in Tawang and North Bengal/Bihar region. The coal belt would have been lost too.

Who captured Hindu women in medieval battles?

Pretty much every Muslim general. Even converted Hindus captured unconverted Hindu women and devoured them. The defeated are always exploited by the victors.

 

[Apprentice]

Here you make a mistake. India knew that having BD as Muslim majority was a problem. Internal reports mentioned the doubts regarding annexing etc. But the unified leadership was broken. The unified command structure of the GHQ was broken.

That was vital. Otherwise we would have lost the entire North East by now. Imagine today's Islamized Bengalis under Pakistani leadership and the Pak Eastern GHQ coordinating with the Chinese. India would have been finished in the East. Buddhism would have seen its death in Tawang and North Bengal/Bihar region. The coal belt would have been lost too.

Though I don't think India had the problem of illegal East Bengali immigration and slow Islamisation of West Bengal and Assam while East Pakistan was around.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Though I don't think India had the problem of illegal East Bengali immigration and slow Islamisation of West Bengal and Assam while East Pakistan was around.

True. The opposite would have happened. Muslims from WB and Assam would have moved out and Hindus of East Pak would have come here almost in entirety. But then, Op. Searchlight failed.

 

[Apprentice]

For starters, I doubt India has the intention of removing Islam from anywhere. What do you think India wants by the way?

The medieval era is long since over. Arabs look down upon all South Asians but they don't necessarily hate Hindus.

I think India is a confused country which lies to itself. Prominent Indians claim to respect Islam and Muslims. When I read Indian social media I get that the sentiment is very anti-Islam and anti-Muslim. I don't buy the 'Islam-tolerant secularists' from any community-whether they be non-muslim Indians or non-Muslim Westerners.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I think India is a confused country which lies to itself. Prominent Indians claim to respect Islam and Muslims. When I read Indian social media I get that the sentiment is very anti-Islam and anti-Muslim. I don't buy the 'Islam-tolerant secularists' from any community-whether they be non-muslim Indians or non-Muslim Westerners.

You may have missed the Bharatiya spirit.

We respect people. Not dogma. We have rebelled against even stricter Hindu tenets with Bhakti movement, Vedanta etc. Think how we would be opposed to more stricter ideologies.

Google them up for reference.

 

[padamchen]

Pretty much every Muslim general. Even converted Hindus captured unconverted Hindu women and devoured them. The defeated are always exploited by the victors.

This talk about devouring women and all is very unpalatable and shocking to me to be honest. Wars should be between men. A woman should get to choose whose bed she sleeps in.

 

[Apprentice]

True. The opposite would have happened. Muslims from WB and Assam would have moved out and Hindus of East Pak would have come here almost in entirety. But then, Op. Searchlight failed.

Beh, Op Searchlight was supervised by drunk sinful generals anyway, busy with wine and (Muslim, hence haram) women

 

[Jackdaws]

I think India is a confused country which lies to itself. Prominent Indians claim to respect Islam and Muslims. When I read Indian social media I get that the sentiment is very anti-Islam and anti-Muslim. I don't buy the 'Islam-tolerant secularists' from any community-whether they be non-muslim Indians or non-Muslim Westerners.

The social media is filled with Hindutva trolls - they are far more vocal than most other people. I see discrimination in India against Muslims at the societal level - especially in housing.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Beh, Op Searchlight was supervised by drunk sinful generals anyway, busy with wine and (Muslim, hence haram) women :p

Yeah, true. Most of your general staff were drunk...took no time to surrender... but your soldiers were fanatical warriors.

Instead of people, they should have destroyed the temples and targeted ONLY the Hindus first. Then they should have targeted the Muslim Hindu supporters. They attacked all right from the first - not very smart. They made many enemies. Reinhard Heydrich's policies could have helped - like Pakistan did...distribute Hindu property to Muslim neighbors. It worked very well in Kashmir. Our peaceful neighbors kicked us like dogs to get our jewelry.

 

[Apprentice]

The social media is filled with Hindutva trolls - they are far more vocal than most other people. I see discrimination in India against Muslims at the societal level - especially in housing.

Social media as in Facebook, Twitter, comments section on Youtube and Indian newspapers. All filled with Islam-hating/Muslim-hating Hindus. I can count on fingers the numbers of sensible Hindus I have encountered

Yeah, true. Most of your general staff were drunk...took no time to surrender... but your soldiers were fanatical warriors.

Yeah I heard your General Sam Manekshaw saying the same abt being brave warriors etc. But not sure if all of them were fanatics. Many of the soldiers seemed like clean-shaven, secular/liberal nationalist men raping Muslim women (not all of them obviously)-but I could be wrong as my info comes in the aftermath of a war where victors wrote history

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yeah I heard your General Sam Manekshaw saying the same abt being brave warriors etc. But not sure if all of them were fanatics. Many of the soldiers seemed like clean-shaven, secular/liberal nationalist men raping Muslim women (not all of them obviously)-but I could be wrong as my info comes in the aftermath of a war where victors wrote history

Yeah, PA became a fanatical force only after Zia. Your liberals hate him, but without him Pakistan would have been a ... slightly more Muslim version of India.
Same composite culture, Sufism, food, dress etc.

Remember how the PA motto was changed to Jihad Fi Sabilillah...

That was vital to strengthen Pak morale and build a distinct and separate identity.

 

[Apprentice]

Yeah, PA became a fanatical force only after Zia. Your liberals hate him, but without him Pakistan would have been a ... slightly more Muslim version of India.
Same composite culture, Sufism, food, dress etc.

Remember how the PA motto was changed to Jihad Fi Sabilillah...

That was vital to strengthen Pak morale and build a distinct and separate identity.

Sufism is not a problem. You do know that the Barelvi sufis were the biggest supporters of the Partition (while most Deobandis supported United India)? Kashmiris are also mainly Barelvi (may have decreased recently). Thats how they ended up revolting in the late 80s.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Sufism is not a problem. You do know that the Barelvi sufis were the biggest supporters of the Partition (while most Deobandis supported United India)? Kashmiris are also mainly Barelvi (may have decreased recently). Thats how they ended up revolting in the late 80s.

Yeah, but they revolted not because they hated Islam but because they believed that a united India could be converted quicker to an Islamic riyasat. A sound logic imo.

 

[Mo12]

Does this include Christianity from Pakistan as well?