India Reclaims Its ‘Backyard’

[janon]

When LTTE Started their Guerrilla War and started Killing People in the Streets there was only ONE COUNTRY Supporting them and it was India and Pakistan was also Supporting Taliban when they Eliminated Opium Production from Afghanistan. So your point actually was????

Guerilla war or insurgency is not against civilians on the streets, it is against a much stronger power, usually a state. In the late 70s and early 80s, Sri Lanka as a state had all the power, and the Tamils were marginalized. Then came the horrible anti Tamil pogroms by Sinhalas, with the state being complicit in it. Under such circumstances, India provided arms and training to Tamil people to allow them to have a militia and counterbalance the power of the oppressors. In short, India was helping the powerless, not the powerful oppressors. When they began terrorist acts, India not only withdrew support, but also fought them, liberated many areas under their control (like Jaffna).

Pakistan was supporting Taliban so as to reduce opium production? Oh please, give me a break. That is a classic retroactive justification. Pakistan supported them when they were ruling mercilessly, had al the power, were massacring Hazaras and other minorities, enslaving women, and in general, when they were running a horrible, primitive form of society. Pakistan was supporting the powerful rulers, not the powerless victims asIndia was. If at that time Pakistan had armed and trained Hazaras or other such minorities to counterbalance the oppressors, I would have admired Pak for it. Instead, you supported the oppressors.

In 2001 they became Terrorists in front of whole World and we abandon them that year then after seven years of fighting on their own

Umm...no. It was the Al Qaeda that did the 9/11 terrorist attacks, not the Taliban. The Taliban even offered to hand over Osama bin Laden to an Islamic country to be tried. But the US was in no mood to listen to their terms, and invaded Taliban ruled Afghanistan. That is when Pak abandoned them - when it became dangerous to support them. You supported them when they were powerful, and abandoned them when the USA was breathing fire on them. I don't blame you - self interest dictates taking USA's side, especially when they tell you it's either with them or against them. But let's not pretend that it was the 9/11 terrorist attack that made Pakistan switch allegiance. No, it was fear of the US might. In fact the Taliban were not even responsible for 9/11. They were responsible for many other atrocities, and during those times, Pakistan was supporting them.

TTP it was a REACTION of their ACTION while what was the Sri Lankan ACTION which Causes India to Support LTTE in REACTION??

Not sure what you mean. As I explained above, LTTE was formed due to the marginalization of (and later pogrom against) the Tamil people by the powerful Sinhalas. India helped the LTTE and many other tamil groups at that stage - if we didn't, Sri Lankan tamils wouldn't exist today.

India losing Troops was Brave but Half Hearted Efforts because they could have controlled the situation if they wanted to

Our war against the LTTE was definitely not half hearted - we lost 1200 soldiers, and over 3000 wounded, but killed 8,000 LTTE soldiers, and enabled Sri Lanka to gain tactical victory in those years. In comparison, the Sri Lankan army lost 26 soldiers in that period. That should give you an idea how we put our heart and soul into helping SL. In just one operation, we routed the LTTE, and snatched many important places like Vanni, Jaffna etc from them and handed them over to Sri Lanka:

Operation Pawan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SL would have been in no position to topple the LTTE later, had we not done our part in securing these strategic locations. Pakistan supplying some overseers/advisers and China some rifles is nothing compared to the sacrifices that India has made in that cause.

Although OT:
There was no Taliban in 1990's , do not confuse Taliban with afghan mujhahideens of the late mid and late 80's.....
Some Mujhahideens like Hekymetyaar, Haqqani and even dostum for a short while, supported the Mullah Omar backed taliban, and some of the taliban members did fight against the Soviets, but that doesn't mean all mujhhideens became taliban. The Jemaat-e-islami-ulema members were heavily recruited and sent to afghanistan to aid Mullah Omars/ Pak Army assault on kabul.

Some of the stalwarts of the afghan Mujhhideen resistance like Ahmed Shah Massoud, Gen Fahim, and even pashtun leaders like AR Wardak, AA Jalali, Gul agha sherzai and all detested Taliban for who they really were.

The Taliban govt came to power in 1996 and established the "Islamic emirate of Afghanistan." Throughout the 90s, they were spreading their power. By 1996, they ruled the country.

 

[Gazi]

Guerilla war or insurgency is not against civilians on the streets, it is against a much stronger power, usually a state. In the late 70s and early 80s, Sri Lanka as a state had all the power, and the Tamils were marginalized. Then came the horrible anti Tamil pogroms by Sinhalas, with the state being complicit in it. Under such circumstances, India provided arms and training to Tamil people to allow them to have a militia and counterbalance the power of the oppressors. In short, India was helping the powerless, not the powerful oppressors. When they began terrorist acts, India not only withdrew support, but also fought them, liberated many areas under their control (like Jaffna).

OK so LTTE was Fighting against a FUNCTIONING STATE and Taliban was fighting against No State At all. So Technically Pakistan didnt use Taliban against any State rather they were used against other Mercenaries so that makes Indian Explanation even more Difficult because Supporting Terrorism against State is more Criminal then Supporting a Group.

Pakistan was supporting Taliban so as to reduce opium production? Oh please, give me a break. That is a classic retroactive justification. Pakistan supported them when they were ruling mercilessly, had al the power, were massacring Hazaras and other minorities, enslaving women, and in general, when they were running a horrible, primitive form of society. Pakistan was supporting the powerful rulers, not the powerless victims asIndia was. If at that time Pakistan had armed and trained Hazaras or other such minorities to counterbalance the oppressors, I would have admired Pak for it. Instead, you supported the oppressors.

Pakistan Support Taliban because they were ONLY STABILIZING FACTOR at that time in Afghanistan riddled into Civil War and they PROVED IT first by Covering most of the Territories under control and second by Uniting other Mercenaries who were fighting like a dog for Afghanistan and Killing Way more people and Abusing way more Human Rights in Afghanistan. Opium became second Factor behind Backing them.

Umm...no. It was the Al Qaeda that did the 9/11 terrorist attacks, not the Taliban. The Taliban even offered to hand over Osama bin Laden to an Islamic country to be tried. But the US was in no mood to listen to their terms, and invaded Taliban ruled Afghanistan. That is when Pak abandoned them - when it became dangerous to support them. You supported them when they were powerful, and abandoned them when the USA was breathing fire on them. I don't blame you - self interest dictates taking USA's side, especially when they tell you it's either with them or against them. But let's not pretend that it was the 9/11 terrorist attack that made Pakistan switch allegiance. No, it was fear of the US might. In fact the Taliban were not even responsible for 9/11. They were responsible for many other atrocities, and during those times, Pakistan was supporting them.

USA made them Part and Parcel with Al Qaida and the World Accepted that the Perception Changed so as Pakistani Perception of them as well. USA Suffered Massive Casualty and they were Too Emotional and Rational and Understanding so as the whole World even Pakistan as well because Pakistan wasnt supporting Taliban to Attack the world which was perceived back then.

 

[WAR-rior]

First hope that Sri Lanka won't orchestrate pogroms against Tamils. That's what persuaded India to provide a counterbalancing power.

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We trained them to be guerillas and insurgents, and they were succesful at that. When they became a terrorist group, we abandoned support and in fact, shed our blood and treasure to fight them.

@Jaanbaz
U know one thing dude? Its your hypocricy that brought your people and your country to shambles. U see, Karma bites back. Hope u can respond to to the above quoted post.

 

[Gazi]

Not sure what you mean. As I explained above, LTTE was formed due to the marginalization of (and later pogrom against) the Tamil people by the powerful Sinhalas. India helped the LTTE and many other tamil groups at that stage - if we didn't, Sri Lankan tamils wouldn't exist today.

So that Marginalization was THREAT to Indian Security by any reason????When Soviets Attack Afghanistan 1/4 of Afghan Population became Refugees someof them returned and other stayed and significant numbers even Accepted Pakistani Nationality as well so same thing would have Happened in India as well and those Tamils would have return Back when Sri Lanka Changed their Position over Pogrom against them.

Our war against the LTTE was definitely not half hearted - we lost 1200 soldiers, and over 3000 wounded, but killed 8,000 LTTE soldiers, and enabled Sri Lanka to gain tactical victory in those years. In comparison, the Sri Lankan army lost 26 soldiers in that period. That should give you an idea how we put our heart and soul into helping SL. In just one operation, we routed the LTTE, and snatched many important places like Vanni, Jaffna etc from them and handed them over to Sri Lanka:

Operation Pawan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SL would have been in no position to topple the LTTE later, had we not done our part in securing these strategic locations. Pakistan supplying some overseers/advisers and China some rifles is nothing compared to the sacrifices that India has made in that cause.

That is Undeniable that India helped Sri Lanka against LTTE but Pakistan and China Helped them better as they TRAINED Sri Lankan Army provided them with Weapons and Support and then these same Sri Lankan Army took care of Business while India Send their Troops and tried Permanent Settlement there instead of actually Helping Sri Lanka. That is the Difference between Approach

 

[Abingdonboy]

That is Undeniable that India helped Sri Lanka against LTTE but Pakistan and China Helped them better as they TRAINED Sri Lankan Army provided them with Weapons and Support and then these same Sri Lankan Army took care of Business while India Send their Troops and tried Permanent Settlement there instead of actually Helping Sri Lanka. That is the Difference between Approach

India has been trianing the Sri Lankans how to fight and fly their aerial firepower for decades now? Is this really what you think? Your worship of the Chinese really is most embarassing.

 

[janon]

OK so LTTE was Fighting against a FUNCTIONING STATE and Taliban was fighting against No State At all. So Technically Pakistan didnt use Taliban against any State

Arey bhai, from 1996 to 2001, Taliban was the state. It was a horrible, oppressive state that massacred minorities and enslaved women, and Pakistan was one of the 3 countries in the world that supported it.

Indian Explanation even more Difficult because Supporting Terrorism against State is more Criminal then Supporting a Group.

Not if the state itself was conducting pogroms against a powerless minority. If Pakistan had supported the Hazaras of Afghanistan against the Taliban state, it would have been praiseworthy. That's what India did, vis-avis Tamils in SL.

Pakistan Support Taliban because they were ONLY STABILIZING FACTOR at that time in Afghanistan riddled into Civil War and they PROVED IT first by Covering most of the Territories under control and second by Uniting other Mercenaries who were fighting like a dog for Afghanistan and Killing Way more people and Abusing way more Human Rights in Afghanistan. Opium became second Factor behind Backing them.

Opium was not a factor at all, let's get that out of the way first.

I am talking about the period after the civil war ended, once the Taliban took power and installed the most barbarous regime on earth. What would you think of a country that openly supports and has diplomatic relations with today's ISIS? That is what Pak did, with the Taliban. The rest of the world refused to recognize that horrible govt. The ISIS is also a state today, except that nobody has recognized it.

USA made them Part and Parcel with Al Qaida and the World Accepted that the Perception Changed so as Pakistani Perception of them as well. USA Suffered Massive Casualty and they were Too Emotional and Rational and Understanding so as the whole World even Pakistan as well because Pakistan wasnt supporting Taliban to Attack the world which was perceived back then

Yes, USA failed to distinguish the taliban and Al Qaeda. But I am still glad that somebody overthrew that barbaric regime. The point however, is that Pakistan abandoned support for Taliban only when it became dangerous to support them. That's not vitrous conduct, but mere opportunism.

So that Marginalization was THREAT to Indian Security by any reason????

Very possibly. But first of all, we had a consience. We were the only entity in the region that could arm and train the Tamils to resist the pogrom. Not to mention the fact that our Tamil citizens considered themselves kin to the Sri Lankan Tamils. That's a historic identity dating back millenia. Yes, there would have been security issues for us, since Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu are so close to each other, and there would have been not only refugees, but also militias going to and from TN to SL. It was far better for the govt to help the Tamils, than have "non state actors" do so. I'm sure you as a Pakistani can appreciate the wisdom of that, with hindsight.

That is Undeniable that India helped Sri Lanka against LTTE but Pakistan and China Helped them better as they TRAINED Sri Lankan Army provided them with Weapons and Support and then these same Sri Lankan Army took care of Business while India Send their Troops and tried Permanent Settlement there instead of actually Helping Sri Lanka. That is the Difference between Approach

Umm.what? You think India did not train Sri Lankans? Even today, most of our naval, air and army academies have quotas for SL officers. ANd sending some rifles is the easiest thing to do, when compared to sending an entire expeditionary corps there, waging war on Sri Lanka's behalf, and capturing so many important areas and handing them over to SL. As noted before, 1200 Indian soldiers gave up their lives to secure most territories, while only 26 Sri Lankan soldiers died in that 3 year period. LTTE was routed and decimated as a conventional force in all those regions.

And no, we had no plan or intention of any permanent settlement. As it is, everybody home were upset that the IPKF was staying too long in SL. We would have come back sooner, if we could.

 

[Kompromat]

India is going to have to bite its big words. Sri Lankans are not stupid enough to lock out their biggest trading partner, biggest investor, biggest military supplier and source of diplomatic support to please a country which facilitated 20 years of terrorism in Sri Lanka. The key difference is that Indias ruling hindutva brand has hegemonic territorial designs on Sri Lanka while China wants Sri Lanka as an ally. We will see how soon India has to bite its big words again.

 

[Gazi]

Arey bhai, from 1996 to 2001, Taliban was the state. It was a horrible, oppressive state that massacred minorities and enslaved women, and Pakistan was one of the 3 countries in the world that supported it.

NO Taliban was a GROUP that was TRYING to Form a STATE rather then State itself during 1995-2001. They didnt Control 100% of Afghanistan and they were fighting against Northern Alliance to takeover whole Afghanistan.

Not if the state itself was conducting pogroms against a powerless minority. If Pakistan had supported the Hazaras of Afghanistan against the Taliban state, it would have been praiseworthy. That's what India did, vis-avis Tamils in SL.

Pakistan was supporting MAJORITY in Afghanistan while India was Supporting MINORITY in Sri Lanka. The difference was that Taliban was Fighting to make a State while Tamils were introduced to fight war with a Functioning State.

Opium was not a factor at all, let's get that out of the way first.

I am talking about the period after the civil war ended, once the Taliban took power and installed the most barbarous regime on earth. What would you think of a country that openly supports and has diplomatic relations with today's ISIS? That is what Pak did, with the Taliban. The rest of the world refused to recognize that horrible govt. The ISIS is also a state today, except that nobody has recognized it.

Taliban never Took Power till the end as in 2001 still 1/3 of Afghan Territory was under control of Opposing Faction so they were Running a Parallel Govt. rather then Ruling the whole Country. It was still a Civil War Period the only difference was INTENSITY of Civil War which was lower then during War Lords where even One prominent Figure Bombed his own City(Kabul) along with its people before losing it to another war Lord so Afghanistan was in mess if Taliban had been Approached then they would have Civilized and proof of that was Abandoning Opium when Olympic Committee Banned Afghanistan from Taking Part in 2000 Sydney Olympics.

Yes, USA failed to distinguish the taliban and Al Qaeda. But I am still glad that somebody overthrew that barbaric regime. The point however, is that Pakistan abandoned support for Taliban only when it became dangerous to support them. That's not vitrous conduct, but mere opportunism.

You should also be Glad that they were mostly Replaced by those Same Warlords when they Disguise themselves as Politicians who havent been able to make a Functioning State in Afghanistan after Provided Everything Possible even India provided them $3 Billion. People's Attire Changes but Intentions Doesnt and that is what happened in Afghanistan since 13 Years.

Very possibly. But first of all, we had a consience. We were the only entity in the region that could arm and train the Tamils to resist the pogrom. Not to mention the fact that our Tamil citizens considered themselves kin to the Sri Lankan Tamils. That's a historic identity dating back millenia. Yes, there would have been security issues for us, since Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu are so close to each other, and there would have been not only refugees, but also militias going to and from TN to SL. It was far better for the govt to help the Tamils, than have "non state actors" do so. I'm sure you as a Pakistani can appreciate the wisdom of that, with hindsight.

That same Reason we had to support Taliban in 1990s because we also share Pashtuns in Pakistan who are Kin to Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Taliban was Pashtun Dominated as well. Does that make our Justify anything to the World???I think no because no one would listen to something like that and consider it Justification instead it would be consider EXCUSE.

Umm.what? You think India did not train Sri Lankans? Even today, most of our naval, air and army academies have quotas for SL officers. ANd sending some rifles is the easiest thing to do, when compared to sending an entire expeditionary corps there, waging war on Sri Lanka's behalf, and capturing so many important areas and handing them over to SL. As noted before, 1200 Indian soldiers gave up their lives to secure most territories, while only 26 Sri Lankan soldiers died in that 3 year period. LTTE was routed and decimated as a conventional force in all those regions.

And no, we had no plan or intention of any permanent settlement. As it is, everybody home were upset that the IPKF was staying too long in SL. We would have come back sooner, if we could.

I dont know about Quota for SL Officers in Indian Army Academies but its about TACTICAL Training of TACTICAL WEAPONS Provided and since India didnt even Provide lots of Tactical Weapons like Air Craft and Tanks so their Tactical Training for SL Officer are Questionable at best. That Tactical Training was the one which HELPED Sri Lanka in a war against LTTE and India did send their Military and also laid down Lives but Hypothetically India would have been Successful wouldnt India Asked for a Military Base in Sri Lanka in return in future??It would and India would have got a base in Sri Lanka by now if they were Successful.

India has been trianing the Sri Lankans how to fight and fly their aerial firepower for decades now? Is this really what you think? Your worship of the Chinese really is most embarassing.

Maybe India is doing whatever they could for Sri Lanka but the difference is what I have Observed that Sri Lankan Doesnt TRUST India and it is very similar to Afghans doesnt Trust Pakistan. Both of us are facing same Dilemma in different Countries and both doesnt Deserve that.

 

[captainvancouver]

NO Taliban was a GROUP that was TRYING to Form a STATE rather then State itself during 1995-2001. They didnt Control 100% of Afghanistan and they were fighting against Northern Alliance to takeover whole Afghanistan.

Pakistan was supporting MAJORITY in Afghanistan while India was Supporting MINORITY in Sri Lanka. The difference was that Taliban was Fighting to make a State while Tamils were introduced to fight war with a Functioning State.

Taliban never Took Power till the end as in 2001 still 1/3 of Afghan Territory was under control of Opposing Faction so they were Running a Parallel Govt. rather then Ruling the whole Country. It was still a Civil War Period the only difference was INTENSITY of Civil War which was lower then during War Lords where even One prominent Figure Bombed his own City(Kabul) along with its people before losing it to another war Lord so Afghanistan was in mess if Taliban had been Approached then they would have Civilized and proof of that was Abandoning Opium when Olympic Committee Banned Afghanistan from Taking Part in 2000 Sydney Olympics.

You should also be Glad that they were mostly Replaced by those Same Warlords when they Disguise themselves as Politicians who havent been able to make a Functioning State in Afghanistan after Provided Everything Possible even India provided them $3 Billion. People's Attire Changes but Intentions Doesnt and that is what happened in Afghanistan since 13 Years.

That same Reason we had to support Taliban in 1990s because we also share Pashtuns in Pakistan who are Kin to Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Taliban was Pashtun Dominated as well. Does that make our Justify anything to the World???I think no because no one would listen to something like that and consider it Justification instead it would be consider EXCUSE.

I dont know about Quota for SL Officers in Indian Army Academies but its about TACTICAL Training of TACTICAL WEAPONS Provided and since India didnt even Provide lots of Tactical Weapons like Air Craft and Tanks so their Tactical Training for SL Officer are Questionable at best. That Tactical Training was the one which HELPED Sri Lanka in a war against LTTE and India did send their Military and also laid down Lives but Hypothetically India would have been Successful wouldnt India Asked for a Military Base in Sri Lanka in return in future??It would and India would have got a base in Sri Lanka by now if they were Successful.

Maybe India is doing whatever they could for Sri Lanka but the difference is what I have Observed that Sri Lankan Doesnt TRUST India and it is very similar to Afghans doesnt Trust Pakistan. Both of us are facing same Dilemma in different Countries and both doesnt Deserve that.

Pakistan is still supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan and the separatists in Kashmir.

 

[janon]

NO Taliban was a GROUP that was TRYING to Form a STATE rather then State itself during 1995-2001. They didnt Control 100% of Afghanistan and they were fighting against Northern Alliance to takeover whole Afghanistan.

They controlled over 90% of the country in that period. The NA controlled the other 10%. If they were not a state, how did Pakistan have diplomatic relations with them? You can't have the cake and eat it as well.

Pakistan was supporting MAJORITY in Afghanistan while India was Supporting MINORITY in Sri Lanka. The difference was that Taliban was Fighting to make a State while Tamils were introduced to fight war with a Functioning State.

No, the difference is that India was helping the powerless victims, while Pakistan was supporting the powerful oppressors. Majority or minority is not the issue - that's an issue if you are looking for the convenient and self serving path. But if you are looking for the morally correct path, then you should support the side that is being oppressed.

Taliban never Took Power till the end as in 2001 still 1/3 of Afghan Territory was under control of Opposing Faction so they were Running a Parallel Govt. rather then Ruling the whole Country. It was still a Civil War Period the only difference was INTENSITY of Civil War which was lower then during War Lords where even One prominent Figure Bombed his own City(Kabul) along with its people before losing it to another war Lord so Afghanistan was in mess if Taliban had been Approached then they would have Civilized and proof of that was Abandoning Opium when Olympic Committee Banned Afghanistan from Taking Part in 2000 Sydney Olympics.

That wasn't because of opium - it was becausse the IOC refused to recognize the Taliban as a legitimate government. As I said before, only 3 countries had diplomatic relaitions with them, the rest of the world abhorred them and everything they stood for. The other stats you said are just plain wrong. The civil war ended in 1996, with Taliban ruling 90% of the country, and the NA controlling the other half. Anyway what has all this got to do with the original point, that Pakistan supported the Taliban until 2001? That's true, and it is true that the only reason Pak backpedalled is because of fear of America.

You should also be Glad that they were mostly Replaced by those Same Warlords when they Disguise themselves as Politicians who havent been able to make a Functioning State in Afghanistan after Provided Everything Possible even India provided them $3 Billion. People's Attire Changes but Intentions Doesnt and that is what happened in Afghanistan since 13 Years.

You are right that Afghanistan is not a healthily functioning state - far from it. And yes, there is rampant corruption and incompetency, and many former warlords now have power. But the fact remains that, for the common man (and more so the common woman), the laws are not the primitive and barbaric ones that the taliban imposed - Girls education banned, women forbidden from working (and therefore forced into prostitution), music banned, etc etc. It was as bad, if not worse than living under ISIS. @Abu Zolfiqar : Do you really want to pretend that the taliban rule was much better than LTTE? I am pretty sure that I would prefer to live in Tamil Ealam than in Taliban.

That same Reason we had to support Taliban in 1990s because we also share Pashtuns in Pakistan who are Kin to Pashtuns in Afghanistan and Taliban was Pashtun Dominated as well. Does that make our Justify anything to the World???I think no because no one would listen to something like that and consider it Justification instead it would be consider EXCUSE.

During Taliban rule, the Pashtuns were empowered, the hazaras and Tajiks were suffering. And before the Taliban rule, everybody was fighting everybody else. Pakistan need not have gotten involved just because you had Pashtuns. (You have Hazaras too, BTW.) But in our case, the Tamils were being genocided by the Sinhalas, there was a side to be taken, the one that was powerless. Unlike war torn Afghanistan, where everybody were fighting everybody else.

I dont know about Quota for SL Officers in Indian Army Academies but its about TACTICAL Training of TACTICAL WEAPONS Provided and since India didnt even Provide lots of Tactical Weapons like Air Craft and Tanks so their Tactical Training for SL Officer are Questionable at best. That Tactical Training was the one which HELPED Sri Lanka in a war against LTTE and India did send their Military and also laid down Lives but Hypothetically India would have been Successful wouldnt India Asked for a Military Base in Sri Lanka in return in future??It would and India would have got a base in Sri Lanka by now if they were Successful.

All I can say is that you need to read more about India's role. Repeating the word "tactical" many times does not make your point valid. We sent and operated hundreds of tanks, heavy weaponry, armor, artillery, helicopters and even airpower, by which we captured many important cities and territories. Mailing weapons is not that big a deal, anybody can do that.

And no, India would not have asked for a base in SL. For one thing, whom would we attack from there? Antarctica? We also fought for East Pakistanis to liberate them from Pakistan. The victory was complete and decisive. Do we have any army base in Bangladesh? No, once the job was done, not only did we come back, we even disbanded the militias that we had raised and trained. (The Mukti Bahinis.) Having a base in B'desh would have heled us a lot more than having a base in SL, because there is no place on earth that we can attack from SL more easily than we can attack from India. Eexcept Antarctica, of course.

 

[Gazi]

Pakistan is still supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Because now they have become Regional Player and their Ties with Al Qaida is gone.

 

[janon]

Maybe India is doing whatever they could for Sri Lanka but the difference is what I have Observed that Sri Lankan Doesnt TRUST India

You have observed that on Pakistan defence forum. On PDF, the Bangladeshis also hate India to the core, and love Pakistanis. You think that's the reality in the real world?

 

[captainvancouver]

Because now they have become Regional Player and their Ties with Al Qaida is gone.

Tell that to the rest of the world.

 

[Gazi]

You have observed that on Pakistan defence forum. On PDF, the Bangladeshis also hate India to the core, and love Pakistanis. You think that's the reality in the real world?

That maybe related to Online Community in Sri Lanka but if you study Sri Lanka further then you would Acknowledge India is only Popular among Tamils Minority while Sanhales either Despise them or have no Opinion of it may be there are some who like India but not much in number.

Tell that to the rest of the world.

It is according to USA now as well. They have Changed their Position of Taliban from Terrorists to Insurgency and now even Afghan Govt. is keen to Negotiate with them as even they have ACCEPTED Taliban as Regional Players as well.

 

[MilSpec]

The Taliban govt came to power in 1996 and established the "Islamic emirate of Afghanistan." Throughout the 90s, they were spreading their power. By 1996, they ruled the country.

You might want to look up when Mullah omar started and how he came to power, there was no such thing as Taliban throughout the 90's... Taliban's main muscle during the kabul and Kandahar's seige were Hekymetyaar's war hardened forces and Pakistani military advisers along with cannon fodder from Jamiat Ulema-e-Islami (especially from Darul Uloom Haqqania in Akora Khattak ). Most of this happened at lightening speed within 94 and 96.

Hekmatyaar and Haqqanis were exactly as bad as the other warlords, Mullah Omar's started out as a grassroot leader (although quite brutal but just) and pashtun oppurtunist took shelter behind his brand of terror dubbed "taliban" which actually had a pretty innocent translation as the "student"... Little known was that the pupeeteers behind this so called talib-e-ilm were about to unleash the most draconian era over an already suffering afghan populace.

Because now they have become Regional Player and their Ties with Al Qaida is gone.

so are you conceding that "pakistan has active ties with Taliban"?