India planning nuclear first strikes against Pakistan (New York Times)

[BetterPakistan]

and it will lead to India's worst nightmare too

 

[cerberus]

Wake up for your wet dream and fantasy world kid

Grandma You don't Have Technical and Factual Ability to debate on these complex matters
Its expected that You will show your Fanboy troll Caliber in PDF

 

[NirmalKrish]

Well, there goes an anther thread!

 

[Pak.one]

I am a Pakistani who has most of
his family living in Pakistan. I often visit Pakistan and also have a house in Pakistan. I'm a Pakistani national and a passport holder. You have no clue what you are talking about.

It is your country which is bluffing about using nukes in a given scenario. Don't blame us. If you have a problem with the use of nukes you would condemn the remarks by Indian officials. You clearly haven't.

She or he is a poor indian moron who always cry Pakistan did this,Pakistan did that blah blah blah pity on these poor national mind set..[emoji6] [emoji6] [emoji6] bro leave seeta khan

 

[Pak.one]

If just the victory by association makes you happy then fine! India was ruled by Muslims -- who were not related to Pakistani. Dil Bahlane ke Liye Khayal accha hai Ghalib.

BTW, I have heard some of your people also claim they ruled over Spain??? You know ottomans were also Muslims, so You and I ruled over ... Spain?????.

Muslims are one ummat they have joint history but you cant understand that theory because you are not a muslim

 

[Ultima Thule]

Grandma You don't Have Technical and Factual Ability to debate on these complex matters
Its expected that You will show your Fanboy troll Caliber in PDF

And you have, what a loser you are, we will detected your launch by our AWACS , ground based radars and Chinese sat, we will fire our missiles for retaliation imminently and your ABM system is not a guarantee to stop 90% Pakistani ballistic missiles, not world most advanced system like US mid-course defense system Can't stop 90% Russian ICBMS kid

 

[abrar khan]

I value your opinion about not wanting a nuclear war. But here is a reality, anyone who has to face a nuclear first strike will have much higher damage.

Pakistan has always stated that any attack or any 'adventure' by India can be retaliated by a nuclear response, meanwhile India and Pakistan are at low intensity war for all practical purpose; around LOC.

Further, by bringing in Tactical Nuclear Weapons in the equation, Pakistan has lowered the threshold of usage of nuclear weapons. Now even a commander sitting at border can conduct a nuclear strike on Indian soldiers.

This means India needs to calibrate her response. Vis-a-Vis China, which has declared a policy of No-First-Use, India has no policy of a first strike. Vis-a-Vis Pakistan, which can use nuclear weapons as a deterrant against Indian forces, India is debating a policy of pre-emptive first strike when there is surity of Pakistan using her nuclear weapons.

do more research both scenario are different and reflect different mental state of policy makers.

 

[Shajida Khan]

do more research both scenario are different and reflect different mental state of policy makers.

It will be great if you have some references or pointers to that. I will love to read more about this matter. Care to share some?

 

[Shajida Khan]

SEETA, you will have to educate yourself or you can ask your mummy dady, I can't take this responsibility.

Means you have no reference and were shooting from the hip Abrarberg

 

[abrar khan]

Means you have no reference and were shooting from the hip Abrarberg

Seeta, I shoot from front unlike bhartis, go and google to educate yourself about the topic. End of comments.

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

Seeta, I shoot from front unlike bhartis, go and google to educate yourself about the topic. End of comments.

Damn man ;
For the first time I was serious in my historical life and you screwd it.
what facts are you upto and plz show me the difference in the strategy for pakistan and china from indian policy makers.
Scenario in Pakistan

Pakistan has not officially enunciated its nuclear doctrine. It justifies its entire nuclear weapons programme as being an equaliser to balance Indian conventional military superiority. More importantly, it constantly uses nuclear blackmail by threatening to use nuclear weapons, if India responds to cross-border terrorist attacks by military action on its soil.

The sad reality is that substantial sections of our so-called ”intellectual” and ‘liberal” elite run scared and panic, at such Pakistani tantrums. Pakistan’s Generals live too comfortably to commit collective suicide. Moreover, one has to rationally analyse what needs to be done to deal with Pakistani nuclear bluff, bluster and blackmail. One hopes some reality has dawned on this “elite” after the recent surgical strikes across the Line of Control. Pakistan should not be allowed to get the impression that this was a one-time occurrence.

While Pakistan has not formally enunciated a nuclear doctrine, Lt. General Khalid Kidwai, the Head of Pakistan’s Strategic Planning Division of its National Command Authority, told a team of physicists from Italy’s Landon Network that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons were “aimed solely at India”. According to the report of the Landon team, Kidwai added that Pakistan would use nuclear weapons if India conquers a large part of Pakistan’s territory, or destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land and air forces. Kidwai also held out the possibility of use of nuclear weapons if India tries to “economically strangle” Pakistan, or pushes it to political destabilisation.

Lt. General Kidwai, who is highly regarded internationally, enunciated these views over a decade ago, when he was Head of the Pakistan’s Strategic Forces Command. He has since retired. But anyone who understands the strategic thinking of the Pakistan army, realises that the “Red Lines”, enunciated by Kidwai, especially in regard to the fallout of an Indian attack, would remain the basic parameters of current strategic thinking.

Chinese influence
There is, however, one significant difference in Pakistan’s capabilities since then. Thanks to Chinese assistance, Pakistan has now built plutonium reactors and reprocessing facilities in the Fatehjang-Khushab Plutonium complex, enabling it to assemble an arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons and miniaturised Plutonium warheads. But, in practical terms, Pakistan cannot use these tactical nuclear weapons in the Punjab area, which is densely populated. They can perhaps be used in the Sind/Rajasthan desert, with Pakistan presuming that such an attack will not prompt India to resort to a full-scale nuclear conflict as enunciated in India’s nuclear doctrine, as this would result in to mutual destruction.

Viewed in a global context, the entire theology of a nuclear “no first use”, which was enunciated by the Soviet Union during the Cold War and rejected by the US and its NATO allies, has few adherents today. The Russian Federation does not subscribe to a doctrine of “no first use” of nuclear weapons. The US and its NATO allies now aver that NATO members can use nuclear weapons against states armed with biological and chemical weapons, even if those States have signed the NPT.

China appears to have maintained a measure of ambiguity on whether its “no first use” pledge will be applicable to India. An unambiguous clarification on this issue has to be sought from China.
Read it and please be silent
Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all

 

[footmarks]

Nuclear weapons are not meant to be used when both nations on war have them - there is no winner then. And the responsibility of all destruction lie on the first country using them. Once the no-use threshold is crossed, it would by MAD-ness. None of us, the keyboard warriors of PDF, would be alive to see the aftermaths.

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

None of us, the keyboard warriors of PDF

who knows sir they might be having underground bunkers beneath thier houses to save them from that climax of the movie "Once upon a time in Pakistan and India"
Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all

 

[ArtOfDFence]

Second post. What surprises me from all the BS (CalmDown especially) I have read so far is the lack of reality check each side has. India with its new doctrine of first strike can somehow 'destroy' most (??) of the nuclear weapons Pakistan possess thereby 'winning' a nuclear war. What nonsense!!!!!
I am sure Pakistan has modelled its response similar to the US-Russian Cold War MAD scenario. There weapons are not displayed for the world to see as much as the Indian hindutva ideology suggests. There is a reasons for the TELs. They weapons are mobile and probably spread across the country. Unless India possesses atomic yields which will destroy every inch of Pakistan then stop this BS. Morons have no idea and become arm chair generals pretending they have every scenario catered for!!!

 

[CalmDown@all_Dude]

i think sikhs in india should stop their govt to nuke Pakistan otherwise their Holy places in Pakistan will be destroyed

For once can't you be sensible.....for once.......
I thought Religious matters are not to be discussed
Your's lovingly

Calm DOWN@all