India planning nuclear first strikes against Pakistan (New York Times)

[salarsikander]

We have north Indian gods, South Indian gods, no one ever feel offended by it. Unless you absolutely hate middle east, I dont see any insult in that statement. Don't attach your own belief with that statement, that could be Jesus, Zoroaster, or any other god too (many religions started in the middle east).

Report me, ban me, do whatever you want. But I didn't insult any god. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Exactly like Jesus is god !!! And like from those zoro gods anyone follow them in mainstream here !

 

[waz]

Get your fallout shelters ready folks. I'd suggest near the mountains.

 

[Mrc]

Why you tend to forget that you were also ruled by foreigners (Turks/ Afans), there were people who stood against and there were weak who gave up their culture, language, their way of life and bowed down to invaders and adapted their way

What u guys dont understand is that we adopted a religion which is islam... in islam there is no nationality or ethnicity ... so every one is same...turks mongols persians balkans egyptiins berbers... nearly every one that once ruled the world eventually converted to islam... and islamic flag has been kept high in this world by converts since eternity....

Try to understand this

This is my post from another thread. Hope it helps

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India will not start a Nuclear War. India's policy is No First use and massive second strike

First make up your minds. Will you use tactical nukes first or use all of your nukes at once. Either way it will result in massive second strike. Using all nukes at once (technically not possible) will be a foolish exercise as it will give you nothing for the second strike

Lets say that Lahore is in danger of being overrun will you try to save Lahore first or say to hell with Lahore we will nuke Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad

Now to those who say we have less nukes than Pakistan the answer is simple. We have less nukes as we require less nukes to target a country with lesser area and population

Just see this Population density map

No need to target yellow areas. Just see the red areas and you can see how a large number of people are concentrated in a relatively smaller area. You can see how many nukes are required to target the red areas

Now the similar map of India

We have a larger population and spread over a larger area. To target this you will need larger number of nukes

Now lets talk numbers

Last pakistan census in 1998 (shows how efficient your govt is that you cant conduct a census for almost 20 years) has just 8 cities with population over a million and if we consider cities with over 500,000 it is 10 cities,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Pakistan

To target these 10 cities nukes needed

Karachi 3-4 Nukes
Lahore 2-3 Nukes
Faisalabad 2-3 Nukes
Rawalpindi 1-2 Nukes
Multan 1-2 Nukes
Hyderabad 1-2 Nukes
Gurjanawala 1 Nuke
Peshawar 1 Nuke
Quetta (No need to target. We need friendly govt in Baluchistan )
Islamabad 1 Nuke

Total 13- 16 nukes lets round it up to 20 nukes

Now compare the same with India

there are 46 cities with a million + population and approx 100 cities if you take population of over 500,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_India_by_population

It should be obvious to you that you do not have numbers to cover all these cities

Lets talk numbers. Lets say you target only Big Important Cities

Mumbai 6-7 Nukes
Delhi 12-14 Nukes Delhi area is double that of Mumbai
Bangalore 7-8 Nukes
Hyderabad 6-7 Nukes
Ahemdabad 4-5 Nukes
Chennai 4-5 Nukes
Kolkata 4-5 Nukes
Surat 2-3 Nukes
Pune 2-3 Nukes
Jaipur 1-2 Nukes
Lucknow 1-2 Nukes

49-61 Nukes lets round it to 65 nukes

You will be using almost 60% of your arsenal in just trying to target 10-11 Indian cities

Is their a limit to stupidity or not... wht if pak does have thermo nuclear weapons... whole of india is 20 250 kt bombs

 

[Manidabest]

This is my post from another thread. Hope it helps

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India will not start a Nuclear War. India's policy is No First use and massive second strike

First make up your minds. Will you use tactical nukes first or use all of your nukes at once. Either way it will result in massive second strike. Using all nukes at once (technically not possible) will be a foolish exercise as it will give you nothing for the second strike

Lets say that Lahore is in danger of being overrun will you try to save Lahore first or say to hell with Lahore we will nuke Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad

Now to those who say we have less nukes than Pakistan the answer is simple. We have less nukes as we require less nukes to target a country with lesser area and population

Just see this Population density map

No need to target yellow areas. Just see the red areas and you can see how a large number of people are concentrated in a relatively smaller area. You can see how many nukes are required to target the red areas

Now the similar map of India

We have a larger population and spread over a larger area. To target this you will need larger number of nukes

Now lets talk numbers

Last pakistan census in 1998 (shows how efficient your govt is that you cant conduct a census for almost 20 years) has just 8 cities with population over a million and if we consider cities with over 500,000 it is 10 cities,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Pakistan

To target these 10 cities nukes needed

Karachi 3-4 Nukes
Lahore 2-3 Nukes
Faisalabad 2-3 Nukes
Rawalpindi 1-2 Nukes
Multan 1-2 Nukes
Hyderabad 1-2 Nukes
Gurjanawala 1 Nuke
Peshawar 1 Nuke
Quetta (No need to target. We need friendly govt in Baluchistan )
Islamabad 1 Nuke

Total 13- 16 nukes lets round it up to 20 nukes

Now compare the same with India

there are 46 cities with a million + population and approx 100 cities if you take population of over 500,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_India_by_population

It should be obvious to you that you do not have numbers to cover all these cities

Lets talk numbers. Lets say you target only Big Important Cities

Mumbai 6-7 Nukes
Delhi 12-14 Nukes Delhi area is double that of Mumbai
Bangalore 7-8 Nukes
Hyderabad 6-7 Nukes
Ahemdabad 4-5 Nukes
Chennai 4-5 Nukes
Kolkata 4-5 Nukes
Surat 2-3 Nukes
Pune 2-3 Nukes
Jaipur 1-2 Nukes
Lucknow 1-2 Nukes

49-61 Nukes lets round it to 65 nukes

You will be using almost 60% of your arsenal in just trying to target 10-11 Indian cities

well u r forgetting all those areas of Pakistan are closer to indian borders if indians will try to nuke Lahore then india will b commiting suicide in amritsar

 

[ArtOfDFence]

as per my original post. There will be nothing left of either country if nuclear war breaks out, it doesn't matter how many wet dreams you can have of winning. If the the earth is not totally scorched then the radiation alone will wipe out most of the population. So you only need enough to wipe out the cities, thats to ensure economical destruction.

Whilst, I don't think much of the Pakistani PM, as he is not a politician, just a businessman, and from what I have read, mostly corrupt like the others in Pakistan, fortunately, not in charge of the nuclear arsenal. The armed forced are, hopefully some sanity there.
However, in India you have an extremist in charge, Modi, based on their religious believes and judging from the past (Gujarat riots) anything is possible, even to the brink of nuclear war {I'm sure some baghats are going to defend him here).

As someone mentioned earlier, these ambiguous doctrines are posturing, creating doubt in each others military responses when war breaks out. BUT people here need to remember that nuclear war can be a real possibility, there will be no turning back after. So people here need to get a perspective, and stop chest thumping as the politicians are doing. It is the civilians and ordinary people who can give some sanity to this part of the world (and that doesn't include the extremists on BOTH sides of the border!!)

About strategic depth it doesn't exist in nuclear war, get back to school!!

 

[Tshering22]

New York Times..

 

[Trango Towers]

If just the victory by association makes you happy then fine! India was ruled by Muslims -- who were not related to Pakistani. Dil Bahlane ke Liye Khayal accha hai Ghalib.

BTW, I have heard some of your people also claim they ruled over Spain??? You know ottomans were also Muslims, so You and I ruled over ... Spain?????.

Omg...was your school a school for idiots only.
Mugals were Muslims and ruled India. Even you accept that.
Association with Pakistanis as today.....Pakistan was ripped from the belly of India because Muslims ruled it and it became a nation in 1947.
NOW HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND you illiterate bafoon

 

[RoadRunner401]

Without even striking India broke Pakistan into half. Thats some achievement for not having nuts, right?

You mean Indians physically broke Pakistan in half and moved half to the other side of India! or it was always on the other side of India and was never part of Pakistan

 

[asad71]

Mughal rules is not same as Muslim rules. Those Muslims Rulers have nothing to do with modern day Pakistani. Listen to Hassan Nisar sometimes and understand our history in this region.

Not only Pakistanis but the entire Muslim diaspora take Pakistan as successor of the Mughal power. Watch Pakistani state functions. See their architecture, formal attire, etc. It reminds the Muslims of the Mughals who ruled from Lal Qilla or Agra Fort.

 

[ravi gupta]

Second post. What surprises me from all the BS (CalmDown especially) I have read so far is the lack of reality check each side has. India with its new doctrine of first strike can somehow 'destroy' most (??) of the nuclear weapons Pakistan possess thereby 'winning' a nuclear war. What nonsense!!!!!
I am sure Pakistan has modelled its response similar to the US-Russian Cold War MAD scenario. There weapons are not displayed for the world to see as much as the Indian hindutva ideology suggests. There is a reasons for the TELs. They weapons are mobile and probably spread across the country. Unless India possesses atomic yields which will destroy every inch of Pakistan then stop this BS. Morons have no idea and become arm chair generals pretending they have every scenario catered for!!!

You dont have strategic depth in your country,all 70% of nuclear installation is in Punjab,so now you know what we need to take care of,You seriously need to consider second strike capability from sea like nuke submarine with SLBM,and some BMD capabilities to stop Indian aggression and retaliate,if you lack this 2 things you are seriously behind in nuke war.

 

[Arsalan 345]

It will be nuclear showdown! If India thinks that they can get away by striking first, than it must be a miscalculation from Indian side.Pakistan already have long range missiles which can be operated from submarines.it is not public. Pakistan knows what Indians are planning!

 

[asad71]

as per my original post. There will be nothing left of either country if nuclear war breaks out, it doesn't matter how many wet dreams you can have of winning. If the the earth is not totally scorched then the radiation alone will wipe out most of the population. So you only need enough to wipe out the cities, thats to ensure economical destruction.

Whilst, I don't think much of the Pakistani PM, as he is not a politician, just a businessman, and from what I have read, mostly corrupt like the others in Pakistan, fortunately, not in charge of the nuclear arsenal. The armed forced are, hopefully some sanity there.
However, in India you have an extremist in charge, Modi, based on their religious believes and judging from the past (Gujarat riots) anything is possible, even to the brink of nuclear war {I'm sure some baghats are going to defend him here).

As someone mentioned earlier, these ambiguous doctrines are posturing, creating doubt in each others military responses when war breaks out. BUT people here need to remember that nuclear war can be a real possibility, there will be no turning back after. So people here need to get a perspective, and stop chest thumping as the politicians are doing. It is the civilians and ordinary people who can give some sanity to this part of the world (and that doesn't include the extremists on BOTH sides of the border!!)

About strategic depth it doesn't exist in nuclear war, get back to school!!

Lemme recount what the Ghazi Gen Ziaul Huq had told Rajiv Gandhi to dissuade him from war plans. Yes, both the countries will perish, and so will the people of Pakistan, who are Muslims, and Indians who are Hindus. While the Hindus will perish, the Muslims will survive elsewhere.

 

[Soumitra]

Lemme recount what the Ghazi Gen Ziaul Huq had told Rajiv Gandhi to dissuade him from war plans. Yes, both the countries will perish, and so will the people of Pakistan, who are Muslims, and Indians who are Hindus. While the Hindus will perish, the Muslims will survive elsewhere.

This is something which I cant understand. This statement has been given by many Pakistanis on PDF in threads related to nuclear war.

Everyone seems to be very happy that hey even if Pakistanis die Muslims will survive. Hurray. How is survival of Muslims more important than the survival of Pakistanis? And dont you realise that there are millions of Muslims in India also? Hell the father of India's atomic weapon and missile program was a Muslim - Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam

Lets say a hypothetical scenario. When the Indo Pak war breaks out Narendra Modi is in Srinagar. Due to nuclear threat the govt decides not to move to Delhi but operate from Srinagar on a temporary basis. Will Pakistanis NOT attack Srinagar in order to try and get Narendra Modi before he orders launch of Nukes to Pakistan?

 

[HAIDER]

We don't know how much damage will done to Pakistan during nuclear standoff , but for sure,China will swallow down a huge chunk of India. Because India is not capable enough to counter two front at time. Anyway there is no chance of nuclear war in this region , but there are chances of limited conventional war. Proxy war still in progress, which India initiated in 71. And Bangladesh won't miss the opportunity of taking over Assam and China will help out Bangladesh .

 

[ChennaiDude]

We all need to chill out and have some beef skewers

Shajida can let us know what is the best recepie for Beef dishes won't you Sajida

And please entertain us let us know what beef tastes like Chicken or Lamb that should iron out who you are.

Beef does not taste like either Chicken or Lamb or Goat...It tastes much better than the two you mentioned...And by the way why do you want to kill the taste of beef by over cooking it. The best form of beef is Medium rare....by the way I am a Hindu..and love my red meat.

i already working for NASA and you twit

So you work for NASA!...which location may I ask.

@footmarks be careful with your comments. I know you meant it in a holistic sense.

Hold on!..Are you also going to warn the others who are offending my religion on this thread, as well or is this status granted only for Muslims..It wont make a difference to me either way, just want to know the vision of this forum.....(PS: dont say report and move on..I have done that many times already, just dont see any actions)