India-Pakistan through the Israel-Palestine Mirror

[Dillinger]

Oh wait, TTP had been blowing up schools in Swat, claiming that they housed the soldiers, whereas the ratio was; out of a 100 schools that they had destroyed 1 might have had a few soldiers staying overnight.

VCheng justified TTP's actions back then also, no wonder he is doing it again, this time in support of IDF.

I don't know about that (Vcheng's views), but I don't find the idea of hitting a building housing children as acceptable, we condemn naxals or LeT when they hit schools claiming that they were used for logistics and storage by our CAPFs, we expect certain standards from uniformed and professional forces, casualties and even atrocities are part of every war/conflict/campaign. The best armies in the world cannot claim that excesses did not take place when they have gone to war, not one, but there is always a relative notion of the unintended and the deliberate.

If there were Hamas personnel within that school, how long could they have remained holed up? What threat did they project at that moment? Were they setting up over watch, were they placing snipers on the roof while an Israeli chalk plowed through nearby? Eventually the buggers would have come out, if they were active combatants they would get called out as Hamas mobilized for some assault or another. 500 still hasn't told me what target did the IDF think it was hitting on the beach it shelled. I have zilch sympathy for Hamas and support Israel's right to defend itself, I guess I just don't agree with what they think constitutes said right (including rampant construction of settlements).

 

[Gunsnroses]

No independent journalists have been allowed in FATA for a long time now.

What is the use of independent reporters, if we agree with your argumentation, when jihadis had their own network (internet, radio, newspapers) publishing their point of view?

Regardless, no one was ever banned, instead it was a task to be done at your own risk. There was an old report stating many journalists had been murdered and not a single case ever investigated. Who will risk his life? Comparing the cause of PA vs Israel is rather more of flawed analogy leading to illogical reasoning just for the sake of argumentation. And then hilariously this statement sums up everything,

Every force would hesitate to attack a school, but each situation must be evaluated on its own merits too

Follow the same theorem, friend!

 

[Secur]

Sir, in both cases, the military is carrying out an operation targeting those who are attacking their civilians indiscriminately. What part of this equation is incorrect, in your view?

Yes, something along the lines of both Israel and Pakistan are countries with people living in them, right?. I have been seeing such similarities being made, since a few days.

 

[VCheng]

No wonder you are weak in Maths. 2+2 is not always 4.

Actually, Sir, 2+2 is 4. Always.

The point here is that adding hysterical emotions makes for a lousy analysis.

 

[Xeric]

I don't know about that (Vcheng's views), but I don't find the idea of hitting a building housing children as acceptable, we condemn naxals or LeT when they hit schools claiming that they were used for logistics and storage by our CAPFs, we expect certain standards from uniformed and professional forces, casualties and even atrocities are part of every war/conflict/campaign. The best armies in the world cannot claim that excesses did not take place when they have gone to war, not one, but there is always a relative notion of the unintended and the deliberate.

If there were Hamas personnel within that school, how long could they have remained holed up? What threat did they project at that moment? Were they setting up over watch, were they placing snipers on the roof while an Israeli chalk plowed through nearby? Eventually the buggers would have come out, if they were active combatants they would get called out as Hamas mobilized for some assault or another. 500 still hasn't told me what target did the IDF think it was hitting on the beach it shelled. I have zilch sympathy for Hamas and support Israel's right to defend itself, I guess I just don't agree with what they think constitutes said right (including rampant construction of settlements).

i think @VCheng need to read International Law of War.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, something along the lines of both Israel and Pakistan are countries with people living in them, right?. I have been seeing such similarities being made, since a few days.

Actually Sir, both Israel and Pakistan are equally valid countries with people living in them.

i think @VCheng need to read International Law of War.

That is probably a good idea, but I do have a passing knowledge, enough for the present discussion.

 

[Xeric]

Actually, Sir, 2+2 is 4. Always.

like i said, you really are weak in Maths.

The point here is that adding hysterical emotions makes for a lousy analysis.

They killed civilians and they were bad, but IDF attack & kill civilians and they are correct?

Your logic stinks like your maths, buddy.

 

[VCheng]

like i said, you really are weak in Maths.


They killed civilians and they were bad, but IDF attack & kill civilians and they are correct?

Your logic stinks like your maths, buddy.

Nope. Both Pakistan and Israel are doing as best as they can. What is wrong is to pontificate on one side only and conveniently forget to apply the same standard to the other situation.

 

[Secur]

Sir, look at it this way. The rockets are still being fired from somewhere, and they are being stored somewhere too. Where? I do not know.

If you are looking to justify it all, by using this argument, then please dont. Because 84% of civilian causalities are portraying a very different picture of the reality on ground. How large Gaza is even? How many storage and launch sites are present in the 360 km 2 area, which couldn't be neutralized after nearly a month?

Nope. Both Pakistan and Israel are doing as best as they can. What is wrong is to pontificate on one side only and conveniently forget to apply the same standard to the other situation.

Both conflict have no similarity, none at all. Best as they can? We are carrying out intentional bombing runs on civilians? Targeting every single piece of civilian infrastructure out there? Have we really trapped the tribal people into an area and are bombing them indiscriminately? Apply the same standards here.

 

[Xeric]

Nope. Both Pakistan and Israel are doing as best as they can. What is wrong is to pontificate on one side only and conveniently forget to apply the same standard to the other situation.

Ask yourself.

 

[VCheng]

Ask yourself.

I did. The answer I see is what I have posted above.

If you are looking to justify it all, by using this argument, then please dont. Because 84% of civilian causalities are portraying a very different picture of the reality on ground. How large Gaza is even? How many storage and launch sites are present in the 360 km 2 area, which couldn't be neutralized after nearly a month?



Both conflict have no similarity, none at all. Best as they can? We are carrying out intentional bombing runs on civilians? Targeting every single piece of civilian infrastructure out there? Have we really trapped the tribal people into an area and are bombing them indiscriminately? Apply the same standards here.

The questions about where the rockets require intimate knowledge of the battleground. And I am applying the same standards of both militaries doing their sworn duty in both cases, fairly.

 

[Gunsnroses]

Ask yourself.

May I,

.....each situation must be evaluated on its own merits

 

[VCheng]

May I,

Yes. That situation requires keeping in mind the population density and other similar factors. The basic equation of the military discharging their duty remains valid.

 

[Gunsnroses]

Dual standards I see, sorry.

 

[Kaniska]

All I will say is that Pakistanis are more comfortable with hypocrisy than anyone else. Even now and here, compare the hysterical outrage over Gaza and the relative silence over civilian causalities in FATA.

Spot on..This is what i have put a question to PDF posters in similllar thread in Palestine conflict..then no one answered..The point is Pakistan sovernity is challenged every day by drones, TTP and Afgan nuts elements..and so many fringle islmaist groups...and intrestingly there is nothing as such emotional response comes up like this Palestine issue.