India-Pakistan through the Israel-Palestine Mirror

[SQ8]

That is exactly the point isnt it. That Pakistanis seem to have more empathy for the Palestinians, seeing it as 'their cause' instead of things that actually cut closer to home - and there are many there.

Genocidal. You are getting prone to bouts of melodrama now old man.
However removing that, Yes. Indians dislike and dismissiveness of Pakistan is increasing with time - mainly I believe on account of increasing prosperity at home and what we are told daily by our media of what & how Pakistan is.

Perhaps at this time they do. There is less empathy for bombing a place where Pakistanis have suffered the most..say 40000 dead. Compared to a situation where the toll is a 100 to 2000 at this stage. Yet , there is much less exposure for the civillian deaths in FATA as compared to israel. So if the media is focusing on a single narrative of Gaza, people with access to media will focus on that. However, those who are aware of the situation such as for those where it is closer to home such as those in KP.. the protest on civillian casualties exist.

Your suggestion that the world focus less on Gaza and on its own problem is separated from human psyche.

As for the genocidal comment, your own post answers that. If my example of perception of Indians based on PDF is melodrama..then i suppose that all of India is melodramatic based on their idea of Pakistan.

 

[Armstrong]

Palestine is a world issue. Every media outlet is harping on that tune and every columnist looking to earn a penny or two is going to write on it. So essentially, if the support for Palestine gets more media coverage than the amount of donations to IDPs and the debates in parliament on civilian casualties, shall we judge the former as having much more relevance to Pakistanis?

And yes, you are right.. too generic. I should rephrase that to genocidal hatred for Pakistan.

You didn't cry for us Kashmiris & yet you were protesting wear a pink tutu in front of the UN building in NYC - Hum tumhareiii aapneiii nahin haiiin ?

 

[halupridol]

That is exactly the point isnt it. That Pakistanis seem to have more empathy for the Palestinians, seeing it as 'their cause' instead of things that actually cut closer to home - and there are many there.

Genocidal. You are getting prone to bouts of melodrama now old man.
However removing that, Yes. Indians dislike and dismissiveness of Pakistan is increasing with time - mainly I believe on account of increasing prosperity at home and what we are told daily by our media of what & how Pakistan is.

I really do not know.
India is moving steadily towards the right. Our future is decided on where we stop on that path.
Current - it is my and many others opinion - that India and Indians are very leftist and conservative in all aspects of its life. Too accommodating, too docile, too academic. Always with a Left-Of-Center Congress Govt. Consequently a left of center view of all things

Essentially in a nutshell - too Nehruvian.

And we are moving now decisively towards the Right. The elected government is an example - something historic since Independent India. The first majority non-Congress govt in our history.
And the next 10 years will be under this Right-of-Center Government. In this phase, our books will be changed, our attitudes will also change, encouraged to change rather.

Moving rightwards from where we are now is welcome - it is ambition and ruthlessness, less constantly accommodating, more realistic instead of academic, more 'go-getting'.
But if it goes too far, then it becomes a hell hole.

What is happening now is good, it however has to stop at the right time. The only question worth asking is - will we be able to stop at that point.

who decides how much "right" is right enough??
this is a one way,,no coming back......a very dangerous one at that....i am sure there were Pakistani ppl in Zia era,,who thought in ur lines....
i dont think India is ready for this...
@oFFbEAT
share ur views

 

[Donatello]

That is exactly the point isnt it. That Pakistanis seem to have more empathy for the Palestinians, seeing it as 'their cause' instead of things that actually cut closer to home - and there are many there.

Genocidal. You are getting prone to bouts of melodrama now old man.
However removing that, Yes. Indians dislike and dismissiveness of Pakistan is increasing with time - mainly I believe on account of increasing prosperity at home and what we are told daily by our media of what & how Pakistan is.

I really do not know.
India is moving steadily towards the right. Our future is decided on where we stop on that path.
Current - it is my and many others opinion - that India and Indians are very leftist and conservative in all aspects of its life. Too accommodating, too docile, too academic. Always with a Left-Of-Center Congress Govt. Consequently a left of center view of all things

Essentially in a nutshell - too Nehruvian.

And we are moving now decisively towards the Right. The elected government is an example - something historic since Independent India. The first majority non-Congress govt in our history.
And the next 10 years will be under this Right-of-Center Government. In this phase, our books will be changed, our attitudes will also change, encouraged to change rather.

Moving rightwards from where we are now is welcome - it is ambition and ruthlessness, less constantly accommodating, more realistic instead of academic, more 'go-getting'.
But if it goes too far, then it becomes a hell hole.

What is happening now is good, it however has to stop at the right time. The only question worth asking is - will we be able to stop at that point.

I'm not exactly sure if that's the correct definition of right or left, but India does have a right wing nationalist party at the helms. Only time will tell.

 

[VCheng]

And yet, how dare an Indian point out this obvious truth.

The relative silence of Pakistanis over Iraqi crisis, the minority exodus in Pakistan and a whole host of other issues vis-a-vis the cacophony over Israel is damning and telling.

The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. And, as you point out, silence is sometimes as telling as speaking out the truth.

Perhaps if you had relatives to lose due to a suicide bombing it might have had much more effect on your views. There are concerns on civilian casualties but sadly due to not having the internet you are happy to ignore all of them and consider your verdict based on what you hear from the BBC.

Being emotionally invested due lost relatives is understandable, but not enough to let go of the truth. Trying to dismiss my valid point as being just another BBC is intellectually dishonest, Sir.

Even Israel has not banned journalists from Gaza, as the Pakistan Army has done from FATA. Please do consider the implications of this one fact.

 

[SQ8]

Being emotionally invested due lost relatives is understandable, but not enough to let go of the truth. Trying to dismiss my valid point as being just another BBC is intellectually dishonest, Sir.

Even Israel has not banned journalists from Gaza, as the Pakistan Army has done from FATA. Please do consider the implications of this one fact.

What is the truth? You cite your version as the truth, what possible credentials shall one take from this to take it as such?
The banning of journalists is a valid point, but regardless to say that there is less emphasis placed on that as compared to Gaza is folly. You are being selective in your critique while accusing others of the same.

You didn't cry for us Kashmiris & yet you were protesting wear a pink tutu in front of the UN building in NYC - Hum tumhareiii aapneiii nahin haiiin ?

No Mir Jafars are not welcome again in Pakistan .

 

[GURU DUTT]

The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. And, as you point out, silence is sometimes as telling as speaking out the truth.



Being emotionally invested due lost relatives is understandable, but not enough to let go of the truth. Trying to dismiss my valid point as being just another BBC is intellectually dishonest, Sir.

Even Israel has not banned journalists from Gaza, as the Pakistan Army has done from FATA. Please do consider the implications of this one fact.

you nailed it bro

you cant have two(contradictorry) sets of solutions for same or simmilar kind of situations

but if you think plying the victim card after you have made wrong dessisions over the years dosent changes the final owtcome as destiny is never partial ... you reap what you sow

 

[VCheng]

What is the truth? You cite your version as the truth, what possible credentials shall one take from this to take it as such?
The banning of journalists is a valid point, but regardless to say that there is less emphasis placed on that as compared to Gaza is folly. You are being selective in your critique while accusing others of the same.

The truth is that both the States of Pakistan and Israel are engaged in military operations against those that are attacking its civilians indiscriminately, to the best of their respective abilities. Or do you disagree with this statement?

 

[SQ8]

The truth is that both the States of Pakistan and Israel are engaged in military operations against those that are attacking its civilians indiscriminately, to the best of their respective abilities. Or do you disagree with this statement?

I disagree with that.

 

[GURU DUTT]

The truth is that both the States of Pakistan and Israel are engaged in military operations against those that are attacking its civilians indiscriminately, to the best of their respective abilities. Or do you disagree with this statement?

you sir indeed are a very brave man on PDF to say such a thing ..Hats off to your courage sir

 

[VCheng]

I disagree with that.

On what basis do you disagree, Sir? Could you please explain a bit more.

 

[SQ8]

On what basis do you disagree, Sir? Could you please explain a bit more.

To each their own abilities. The IDF is MUCH more capable in preventing civilian casualties than the Pakistani military is.

 

[oFFbEAT]

who decides how much "right" is right enough??
this is a one way,,no coming back......a very dangerous one at that....i am sure there were Pakistani ppl in Zia era,,who thought in ur lines....
i dont think India is ready for this...
@oFFbEAT
share ur views

You want my POV on the thread topic or on your post????......

 

[VCheng]

To each their own abilities. The IDF is MUCH more capable in preventing civilian casualties than the Pakistani military is.

You mean to say that the IDF can do more to prevent civilian casualties, but the Pakistan Army cannot? I would suggest that both sides can do more to reduce civilian casualties. My phrase "to the best of their abilities" was meant to refer to preventing indiscriminate targeting of their own civilians by others, because that is their duty.

 

[halupridol]

You want my POV on the thread topic or on your post????......

on my post,,,,,
i saw ur postings on a similar matter,,,