India-Pakistan talks possible only if MODI goes, Pakistani daily

[Stephen Cohen]

That's a given. Only nuances change, any Indian government can only go a little ahead of the people (and even less that with the opposition). As Shiv shankar Menon said - That after the 26/11 attack, there is no constituency (except a few Punjabis) in India for better relations with Pakistan. The border heat that the Pakistanis are facing now was started by the MMS government in 2013.

Nuances is the WRONG word here

Man Mohan SIngh did nothing to assert India's displeasure and anger

As soon as in 2010 He was back to the pappi Jhappi ways
The Sharm al shaikh fiasco

And then a PLANE LOAD of Pakistanis were invited to the World Cup Semi Final
for wining and dining

Man Mohan SIngh was the BIGGEST Supporter Pakistan ever had
In the Indian establishment

The ONLY reason he is NOT being called a TRAITOR by Modi
is that the SIkh community will get angry

@Bang Galore

Pakistanis have become so used to and so accustomed to get away with
ANYTHING

That habit has been acquired in the MMS regime ; Pakistan misses Man Mohan SIngh

That is why they cant digest the NDA govt's words and actions

And the Border violations are another story

The Commanders were absolutely de barred from retaliation

They had to seek permission all the way upto the GOC

The 2013 fiasco was a SELF inflicted wound by India
that was the result of tying the Army's hands

Are you aware that the ANGER among the soldiers was so HIGH in 2013
that RAW and IB prevented ANTONY from Going to Kashmir
saying that the soldiers hate you

 

[Spectre]

Man Mohan SIngh did nothing to assert India's displeasure and anger

As soon as in 2010 He was back to the pappi Jhappi ways
The Sharm al shaikh fiasco

And then a PLANE LOAD of Pakistanis were invited to the World Cup Semi Final

Man Mohan SIngh was the BIGGEST Supporter Pakistan ever had
In the Indian establishment

The ONLY reason he is NOT being called a TRAITOR by Modi
is that the SIkh community will get angry

Wrong, his only crime was that he had very less space to assert himself as a PM and Leader of India, calling him a traitor is grave disservice to his many and significant contributions which Modi yet has to match.

MMS changed the course of doddering Indian economy
MMS changed Indian Foreign Policy trajectory by promoting alliance with US and extracting the Nuclear Deal despite substantial international and domestic oppostion notably from BJP itself.
Many significant legislative agenda was derailed by BJP itself like FDI in Insurance, Retail, GST etc.

MMS was a great man despite what the prevalent public opinion is, History would remember him very kindly.

If you want someone to blame then look no further than Sonia Gandhi and coterie who hobbled him , institutionalized corruption and self interest and an intransigent opposition.

 

[Srinivas]

First :India-Pakistan talks possible only if BJP goes, Pakistani daily

Now :India-Pakistan talks possible only if MODI goes, Pakistani daily

Tomorrow :India-Pakistan talks possible only if NSA Ajit Dovel goes, Pakistani daily

Day after Tomorrow : India-Pakistan talks possible only if Indian Army goes, Pakistani daily

So terrorists won't go out of Pakistan...

Talks went very close during Vajpayee Govt. that is BJP, seems they are forgetting this.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Wrong, his only crime was that he had very less space to assert himself as a PM and Leader of India, calling him a traitor is grave disservice to his many and significant contributions which Modi yet has to match.

MMS changed the course of doddering Indian economy
MMS changed Indian Foreign Policy trajectory by promoting alliance with US and extracting the Nuclear Deal despite substantial international and domestic oppostion notably from BJP itself.
Many significant legislative agenda was derailed by BJP itself like FDI in Insurance, Retail, GST etc.

MMS was a great man despite what the prevalent public opinion is, History would remember him very kindly.

All his good deeds are ONE thing

But the TACIT approval to corruption ; APPEASING PAKISTAN
and Letting the economy go downwards in a free fall ; these are his SINS which have outweighed
his positive contributions

Why bother about History

Does anybody remember him fondly even now other than SCAMSTERS

If he had been so good people would have been clamouring for his come back on the social media
with # Bring back MMS

Do you see such things happening

 

[Icewolf]

No talks let the Indians keep imprisoning spy pigeons and crying to UN after every loc incident

 

[Spectre]

All his good deeds are ONE thing

But the TACIT approval to corruption ; APPEASING PAKISTAN
and Letting the economy go downwards in a free fall ; these are his SINS which have outweighed
his positive contributions

Why bother about History

Does anybody remember him fondly even now other than SCAMSTERS

If he had been so good people would have been clamouring for his come back on the social media
with # Bring back MMS

Do you see such things happening

As I said, he had no space to perform - wherever he could he did.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

MMS was ONLY interested in keeping his chair and appeasing Pakistan

He did both to his HEART's Content

He knew everything about the corruption and the Free fall in the economy
but he just did not care

History will remember him like NERO
who fiddled while everything was falling apart

 

[xperia]

Modi is doing well for india. He will definitely complete his tenure..He doesn't have any business in Pakistan, unlike NS who has business in India , so it's easier for modi to take Pakistan to task. His recent visit to UAE was a highly calculated move to take the position which Pakistan left and to further isolate Pak in international community. Modi has successfully turned Ashraf ghani against Pakistan and these days the campaign in the Afghan media against Pakistan is at it's peak. Thanks to the TTP bastards and the innocence of the Afghan govt who has been unable to read the situation exactly.
If i would have been an indian then i will definitely support him in next election.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Spectre

If there is ONE MAN who just SAVED India from TOTAL Ruin
it is P Chidambaram and along with him Raghuram Rajan

They were the LAST MEN standing in the UPA government

No other Minister cared they were all busy FILLING up the coffers
and wiping their footprints so as not to be caught by the next government

And the bureaucracy also did nt care either

Why should it care when the
PM himself STOPPED coming to the office in the last six months ; why bother

 

[Bang Galore]

The ONLY reason he is NOT being called a TRAITOR by Modi
is that the SIkh community will get angry

Manmohan Singh was many things, among them was being a victim of circumstance as well as his own natural inclination to caution. What he was not , is a traitor.

Many things get said here, calling other people traitors simply because they didn't/don't follow a policy one subscribes to, has become an unfortunately common occurrence. Other than taking any debate right to the gutter, it it does great disservice to many people who did their duty as they saw fit. Question their competence on specific matters if you will, question their actions by all means but to go down the road of calling them such names is both tasteless & pointless.
Best avoided, in my opinion.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Talk, talk, talk... Nothing gonna be achieved from talk. India should develop anti nuclear attack tech. So that we can defuse any nuclear attack coming from Pakistan. So be ready for "The Last War " with Pakistan after 2025. And I'm sure this time BJP will not let Pakistani soldiers run like Kargir war. This war will be disastrous for both countries i know. But this war will be coming with the permanent solution of Kashmir issue if both countries really wants to solve this issue. Otherwise it will take lives of more than millions than we will lose in "The Last War".

 

[Donald Trump]

Modi cannot go until at least 2019.

Make that 2024!

Pakistan has a long long wait on their hands! P0K and GB will probably be back with India by then!!

 

[Skillrex]

Dont talk who cares.. but modi is here to stay for another decade at least ..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Manmohan Singh was many things, among them was being a victim of circumstance as well as his own natural inclination to caution. What he was not , is a traitor.

Many things get said here, unfortunately calling other people traitors simply because they didn't/don't follow a policy one subscribes to, has become an unfortunately common occurrence. Other than taking any debate right to the gutter, it it does great disservice to many people who did their duty as they saw fit. Question their competence on specific matters if you will, question their actions by all means but to go down the road of calling them such names is both tasteless & pointless.Best avoided, in my opinion.

Man Mohan Singh of UPA 2 is a NIGHTMARE that India would like to forget for ever

He was the Rahu Ketu Shani all together for India

The true extent of the damage done to India by UPA will be evident in the next few years

@Bang Galore @Spectre

The difference between the Man Mohan SIngh of UPA 1 and UPA 2
was the attitude of the Gandhi Family

In a interview his former MOS in the PMO ; Prithvi Raj Chauhan said that
after the 2009 victory the Gandhis became all the more DISPARAGING toward him

And the Other Ministers took the cue from them ; the Gandhis

He was told in clear terms that he was just a Rubber stamp

 

[Stag112]

The 26/11 required a much stronger response and assertion - as things stand there have been no results, UPA govt could have pushed the point for immediate and concrete gains, instead it allowed itself to be mollified and coddled by third parties.

Sometimes National Interest is about thinking way ahead - even at the risk of short term pain for long term gain. As thing stands, the space is open for a repeat occurrence as India has not extracted any cost from Pakistan. Border heat was condoned by UPA but would have happened regardless - Army and BSF have lot more tactical control and autonomy than is apparent.

I reapectfully disagree. We have extracted cost, damages, interest, punitive fine you name it.

That will not stop Pakistan from carrying out more terrorist attacks in future. To this I agree. They will continue to cut their nose to spite us. But that is the place we want them to be, if you understand long term objectives.