India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

[Speaker]

Lolz! Desi man, I was thinking of the same answer.. No wonder, Zaid Hamid is so famous among Indians..

Okay, before we go in a tangent, it is not an incorrect spelling. It is how India is spelt in Spanish or French. Please see the rest of the map (legends etc.) to understand this.

 

[Desert Fox]

may the better country win

don't worry, it won't be long before your "influence" will be kicked out!

lol, seriously, who are you guys fooling? We Pakistanis have more experience in Afghanistan than you india, lol, you don't even share anything in common with Afghanistan!

 

[Desert Fox]

Lol he is famous because of the crap he talks about about and how some people actually believe him. He should not be the role model for youngsters to follow. From what he says, its easy to make out that that he just wants to gain more popularity not benefit Pakistan in anyway.

from the looks of it, your probably a fan of bharat verma! how much BS has he been spewing about Pakistan lately?

 

[desiman]

True, how can we all forget that it was Afghans who had conquered india and more than 10 times and defeated the marathis at pani pat!

If you cannot give logical arguments please dont troll. This line is repeated again and again by mr.Hamid and it only prove how much of any idiot he is.

 

[desiman]

don't worry, it won't be long before your "influence" will be kicked out!

lol, seriously, who are you guys fooling? We Pakistanis have more experience in Afghanistan than you india, lol, you don't even share anything in common with Afghanistan!

We will see who goes where my friend.

 

[desiman]

from the looks of it, your probably a fan of bharat verma! how much BS has he been spewing about Pakistan lately?

Sorry i do not believe in conspiracy theories and pointless patriotism. I believe in hard facts and working for the betterment of society. None of which are on the agenda of Mr.Hamid. If BS comes out of anyones mouth its your choice not to listen to it.

 

[xebex]

Afghanistan has historical ties with present day Pakistan. Even the founder of Afghanistan was born in Multan, which is in Punjab province of Pakistan. Afghanistan never had any ties with most of India. In fact, Afghan historical heros used to destroy hindu statues when they invaded the subcontinent and Pakistan named many missiles after those Afghan historical heros who were not so kind to hindus

Real Afghans dont like hindus, only the northern alliance (tajiks, uzbeks, and other mongloid afghan nationals) love india.

so u r basically saying Taliban is the real afghans, arent u?. Dude, they are facing extinction. hopefully u will see the REAL-real afghans taking charge of a brand new country free of terrorism. And oh yeah, they wont be anybody's backyard or "fifth province", I assure u. Else what the point of we (India,NATO, US, others) investing billions there.

 

[Spitfighter]

don't worry, it won't be long before your "influence" will be kicked out!

lol, seriously, who are you guys fooling? We Pakistanis have more experience in Afghanistan than you india, lol, you don't even share anything in common with Afghanistan!

I know you're going to like this...

Its funny how Pakistanis think they can roll back to pre 9/11 policies. Pakistan will take on the Afghan Taliban whether they like it or not, you can keep dreaming about unleashing the Taliban on Kabul once the US leaves, but pipe dreams will remain as such.

British troops will have to stay in Afghanistan for another five years, warns head of the armed forces - mirror.co.uk


British troops will have to stay in Afghanistan for another five years, warns head of the armed forces

By Bob Roberts 9/11/2009
Troops in Afghanistan (Pic:Reuters)

British troops will have to stay in Afghanistan for another five years, the head of the armed forces, Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, warned yesterday.

He said no one should expect a rapid handover to Afghan troops.

The US commander General Stanley McChrystal is predicting it will take until 2013 before US and British troops can pull back.

But Sir Jock said: "I'd say about 2014."

His warning came as a ComRes poll for the BBC1 Politics Show found that 64% of the public felt the war was unwinnable.

Sir Jock told The Andrew Marr Show on BBC1: "I do think it is incredibly important that we do better at describing to people the success that we are having.

"What we see is the downside and it is a very, very painful downside - tragic losses, people injured and having to deal with a complete change in their life. But the people on the ground will tell you that they are making real progress. It is painful, it is slow, it is halting, but it is in the right direction."

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague said: "This level of public dissatisfaction is not a very good basis on which to fight a war.

"We have to do much better - and much better in terms of actual military success and showing that progress is being made."
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In the meantime, of course, the ANA will be strengthened to resist Pakistani acts of sedition. India has its own options for fighting via proxy, we'll see where Pakistan stands in five years.

 

[TruthHurts]

Indo-Afghan relationship is a part of Global Indian presence. Soon India would start investment in numerous countries including Afghanistan. Indian presence in Afghanistan is going to increase a lot in the recent years. It would help Afghanistan get organized and India expand its economy and get another ally.

Win-Win situation for us.

As an American Pashtun,

My Pashtuns brothers would now choose India over Pakistan, My view is primarily based after seeing with my own eyes how horribly Pakistan treats my people in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Have in mind, I am an American born, I really don't care give a darn about Pakistan or Afghanistan, but I do care about my ethnic group which is, Pashtun or Afghan(Afghan is an alternative name for ALL PASHTUNS). India is simply not playing the 2 face game like Pakistan.


When Pakistan starts respecting my people and not declare war on them, I might change my view.

 

[TruthHurts]

so u r basically saying Taliban is the real afghans, arent u?. Dude, they are facing extinction. hopefully u will see the REAL-real afghans taking charge of a brand new country free of terrorism. And oh yeah, they wont be anybody's backyard or "fifth province", I assure u. Else what the point of we (India,NATO, US, others) investing billions there.

What he is trying to say is REAL AFGHANS are PASHTUNS from Pakistan and Afghanistan, which are obviously consider Afghan by ethnic group as compared to Afghan by nationality.

The ethnonym Afghan (افغان afġān) has been used in reference to the Pashtun people during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period.[1] The name Afghanistan (افغانستان afġānistān) is a derivation from the ethnonym, originally in the loose meaning "land of the Afghans (Pashtuns)". Originally, it referred to the territory inhabited by Pashtun tribes and was later adopted by the Pashtun-dominated kingdoms of Kabul.

The Pashtun people were called Afghans in the past, since at least the 7th century AD and onwards.[1] A Chinese pilgrim, Xuanzang, who visited the Afghanistan area in 629 AD mentions about Afghans in Zhob

So I guess what he is saying is that since, nearly 20+ million
Afghan(Pashtun) Pakistanis live in Pakistan, and Afghanistan is an Afghan(Pashtun) Majority the country, Both countries might share something in common?

One point is undeniable, They have the same people who have been divided by a imaginary line named Durrand.
Same tribes,same language,same culture, Same AFGHAN history.

In my opinion, Both Afghanistan and Pakistan are a mess and they both need to get it together.

 

[Pakhtunz]

Allow myself to introduce myself... ok so now i sound like Austin powers but still as a nationalist Pashtons(ethnic afghan) i too would prefer India over Pakistan...WHY? Well because India is democratic and secular and is building Afghanistan...unlike Pakistan which is imposed the crazy Taliban on Afghanistan. Pakistan is like this crazy kid that everyone hates in neighbor…but he has nothing to lose…so he threatens that he will smash the neighbors window if the other kids don’t play with him. Lol
The irony is that GOP wants to use Islamism against nationalist in pashton area and Afghanistan but what will happen if and when these Islamism get a sense of nationalism? Will the Taliban forgive and forget how Pakistan sold these people to uncle Sam for $ ? Did anyone of you read Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan Mullah Zaheef book? He calls Pakistan worst then Kafirs.

What is funny is that even Taliban hates pakistan...

so Pakistan think they can use these village people... but mark my words.. just as Pakistani created Mujahdeen turned against Pakistan once they got Kabul...these taliban will turn against pakistan too.. there is so much racial and cultural diff...and no way afghan can be slave of a Pakistan...who is using who---time will tell.

 

[desiman]

As an American Pashtun,

My Pashtuns brothers would now choose India over Pakistan, My view is primarily based after seeing with my own eyes how horribly Pakistan treats my people in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Have in mind, I am an American born, I really don't care give a darn about Pakistan or Afghanistan, but I do care about my ethnic group which is, Pashtun or Afghan(Afghan is an alternative name for ALL PASHTUNS). India is simply not playing the 2 face game like Pakistan.


When Pakistan starts respecting my people and not declare war on them, I might change my view.

I understand you point of view brother, but any reason why you think like that about Pakistan, keeping in mind that they have a lot of humanitarian missions in your country also

 

[desiman]

Members please refrain from making prejudicial or racist comments, please respect every country as every country is loved by someone. Let’s stick to the topic and not troll in any way.

 

[jeypore]

do you think we would have any chance considering the fact to be being crashed by regional and international powers? suggestions, no suggestions doesnt make any difference. wish eveybody left us alone.

And who's problem is that?

Your's ofcourse, Your people, and the region has become so backward and harsh that no one can comprehend.

Interms of strategic reasoning, because of your peoples misdeeds, you have become important, not only for India, other countries also..

There is a great battle, where Pakistanies do not want to be incircled. And that is why I am a great proponent of India's influence in Afganistan.

 

[gen x]

we want a stable and peace in afghan and India is doing good even Pakistan is doing good

but yes i afghan they don't trust Pakistani as they trust to Indian now they feel Indian are more close

ISI and Taliban relation is acting against the Pakistan and afghan relation Pakistan should do more against Taliban