India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

1. I am sure that by a reasonable dialogue with Afghanistan, Pakistan will be able to find a via media in respect of the Durand Line.

The borders are spelled out pretty clearly in the Durand Agreement, which legally remains valid since international law has held that agreements between two states apply to successor states as well.

In this case it would imply that agreements between the GoA and the British are transferred to Afghan-Pakistan agreements, with Pakistan being the successor State to the British.

Since legally the Afghans have no case to reject the Durand Agreement, what can be discussed is 'open borders' or a confederation, if the Afghans wish to go that route.

The only problem I can see is that Pakistan agrees that China can claim lands in India, Tibet etc. as these areas were "demarcated" by the British. Thus it stands to reason that Afghanistan can have a similar claim against the Durand Line. I for one am against these claims and counter-claims and would hope that countries can live with the Borders made by the Colonizing Powers rather than fuel more and more conflicts.

Not at all - the opinions of States do not change how international agreements are interpreted, and Pakistan's opinion on Sino-India border disputes would not change the validity of the Durand or any other agreement - it is for India/China to make their respective cases.

2. It is Pakistan which aided the USA in attacking Afghanistan and thereby destabilizing it. Having said that it is equally important and pertinent for Pakistan to learn to live with Afghanistan, and not continuously seek to attack it and destabilize it.

How far back in history would you look to go, since you appear to suffer from the same 'lack of information' that Jeypore does?

As pointed out earlier, 'That Afghanistan refused to recognize Pakistan in 1947 is fact. That is sheltered the Khan of Kalat's brother who was attempting to stoke an insurgency in the early days of Pakistan's existence is fact. That Afghanistan tried to stoke separatist movements in FATA and NWFP in pursuit of its irredentist desires is fact.'

That Afghanistan to this day refuses to recognize the Durand Agreement that it committed to, which implies that it covets Pakistani territory, is fact.

And you conveniently forget that US-Pakistan intervention in Afghanistan was spurred by the Soviets in essence 'invading Afghanistan'.

Pakistan has tried to resolve its issues with Afghanistan, it is Afghanistan that appears to not want to settle for anything less that a 'Greater Afghanistan'.

I also find it ridiculous that Afghanistan with and Economy which is One-Seventh to One-Tenth of Pakistan's to have the wherewithal to continuously seek to attack Pakistan and destabilize it.

Does that rationalization also work in the Indo-Pak equation?

In any case, as I pointed out above, the disparity in size has not prevented Afghanistan from interfering in Pakistan and attempting to destabilize it historically, and from the statements of Karzai and other GoA officials, it appears irredentist ambitions have not been tempered either.

I don't think that Afghanistan wants to be equal to Pakistan as it has seen the effect on Pakistan in the Pakistani Effort to be the Equal of India.

The veracity of that claim will depend upon whether Afghanistan gives up its irredentist ambitions and re-commits to the Durand Agreement and respects Pakistani borders and sovereignty.

There needs to be a clear statement from Afghanistan on that count.

 

[desiman]

AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN REGIONAL
STABILIZATION STRATEGY

Office of the Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan
Updated February 2010

MESSAGE FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE

I have made it a top priority to elevate the role of diplomacy and development alongside defense in our national security strategy. Nowhere is this more urgent than in our efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. To meet this core goal, President Obama has outlined a strategy that includes supporting the Afghan and Pakistani governments’ efforts to defeat the extremist threat. As President Obama made clear at West Point on December 1, our civilian engagement in Afghanistan and Pakistan will endure long after our combat troops come home. While our military mission in Afghanistan is not open-ended, we are committed to building lasting partnerships with Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The challenges in both countries are immense. The Afghan government is under assault from the Taliban and struggling to provide security, jobs, and basic justice to a society devastated by 30 years of war. Across the border, the Pakistani people are victim to regular suicide bombings despite their military’s increasingly determined efforts against extremist elements. And while al-Qaeda’s safe-haven in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area is increasingly disrupted, its senior leaders are still planning attacks against our homeland and our Allies.
We shaped our political, economic, and diplomatic efforts in Afghanistan and Pakistan with these realities in mind. Far from an exercise in ―nation-building,‖ the programs detailed here aim to achieve realistic progress in critical areas. They are aligned with our security objectives and have been developed in close consultation with the Afghan and Pakistani governments, as well as our international partners. And they reflect our national values, including our longstanding committing to promoting universally recognized human rights for women and other marginalized groups. When combined with U.S. combat operations and efforts to build Afghan and Pakistani security capacity, these programs constitute an innovative, whole-of-government strategy to protect our vital interests in this volatile region of the world.
We have no illusions about the challenges ahead of us. Achieving progress will require continued sacrifice not only by our military personnel, but also by the more than 1,500 U.S. government civilians serving in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But for the first time since this conflict began, we have a true whole-of-government approach. The Afghan and Pakistani governments have endorsed this strategy and are committed to achieving our shared objectives. And as I was reminded during recent visits to Afghanistan and Pakistan, our civilian and military personnel are working together as never before.
For these reasons, I believe this strategy offers the best prospect for stabilizing Afghanistan and Pakistan. I look forward to working with Congress to secure the non-military resources needed to achieve our mission and to signal our commitment to Afghanistan and Pakistan. I am committed to doing everything possible to ensure that those resources are well spent advancing our national interests.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/135728.pdf

 

[TruthHurts]

I am glad you confessed to what exactly pakistan want in afghanistan.

Quoted for truth.

Making pretty arguments and veiled attempts to spread influence across the border is exactly what Pakistan wants.

Like I said, they are nervous and unhappy with India trying to make Afghanistan a potential ally. It would make sense too.


The U.S.A is also aware of this matter and is trying to have dialogues.

Didn't Manmohan Singh visit KSA to speak about Indian presence in Afghans soil? I believe he did.

 

[TruthHurts]

Actually we argue quite well in favor of the points I made earlier.

Indeed, and we are making them pay are we not.

I doubt you are, Suicide attacks are at a all time high, Pakistani citizens are scared to leave their houses, Bomb blasts occur on a bi-weekly basis. Not so sure if the goal has been acheived. I think the situation is far worse in Pakistan right now, You are aware that Pakistan is the worlds dangerest country right? Not so sure how successful your corrupt government is so far.

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We honored the peace agreements we entered into and the the Taliban did not. As you can see, Baitullah, Halkimullah, Qari Mehsud and the rest of the TTP gang are being made to pay for their terrorism now.

What you sow, so shall your reap. Enough said.

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How ironic that you ask me to not use the media to propagate a brighter image and then use the same media to push your view point.

Well, its a win,win situation for me. I am not an Afghanistani to argue in Afghanistan's favor. My point is to see peace in those countries. I wish well for Pakistan and Afghanistan, However, Quite frankly it is Pakistan that is sticking its nose in Afghanistan's business attempting to spread influence.

Its even clear in this thread that many Pakistani's want Afghanistan as an ally on good terms, Have you even bothered reading the public popular view in this thread? Its quite humurous if you ask me, The resentment of Indian presence has always made me laugh when argued by a Pakistani.

Nevertheless, what I posted was a video of a Pakistani journalist describing failure in your country. I agree, with you media can not be used as a medium to describe a country.

If media was favorable to the Taliban, they can easily point a camera towards a group of people happy with Taliban presence. Would that make my stance better? Ofcourse not, its what you and I say and present that will make the audience judge on this matter. So how about we both refrain from posting videos and focus on authoratative sources,Scholarly to say the least.

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The Pakistani media is fair.

And the sky is Green.

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It is a media in which Baloch separatists can sit down in interviews o
n TV shows and openly talk of not accepting Pakistan (see the Balochistan thread for those videos) and it is a media that never shys away from drawing parallels between current events and what happened in 1971. So yes, I believe the images of the Tribes in Bajaur celebrating, dancing, beating drums and flying the Pakistani flag - its right there in full color.

I beg to differ and I disagree, my encounters with inhabitants from N.W.F.P or what you would call Sarhadis and Baluchis, is quite,quite negative. They say they are treated like 2nd class citizens and have quite nice arguments that I have read which makes a load of sense.

Nevertheless, If my people (Pashtuns) are happy in Pakistan, I am also happy but the thing is so far they are not. Ive actually visited the nation and see how they are treated and don't tell me they are "Patriotic" cause the join the military, I'll argue and say one of the major reasons why the join the military is cause its better paying as compared to jobs that are either inaccessible or hard to find. But nevertheless, My argument from the beginning was my people are treated bad, I have visited 2 provinces, spoke to them and I am not happy at all. So don't tell me a French Pakistani who happens so that travels to Quetta is very happy and he is a Pashtun. That argument simply will not work with me.

Now, I am not playing devils advocate here, My point is Pakistan should mind its business, Improve its countries conditions rather then always be worried about its neighbors who the assume is causing a "Potential threat". That's all.

My other argument is, Pakistan needs to do more for my people, Build schools that teach their language and history. So far I see nothing being done in that case.

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And while I have not visited Quetta in several years, we have about half a dozen members who live in Quetta and provide first hand insight diametrically opposed to yours. And we saw the dancing and celebrations in the streets of Quetta when Pakistan won the T20 World Cup.

I have visited Quetta, and I can tell you those Pashtuns are not quite happy with the way they are being treated, To an extent that Punjabis are being target killed and were even asked to LEAVE.

Once again, cut off the Media crap, I can start posting videos of things that would refute everything you have posted, but like how I outlined earlier, It wouldnt make sense.

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Similarly, we have hundreds of Pakhtun members from NWFP and FATA (who live and travel there), again with diametrically opposed views to yours. I am very well versed with the realities on the ground dear sir.

Not so sure with that one, Didn't you just ban a Pashtun from Pakistan who was speaking against you guys? I have been lurking for a while and I beg to differ with the above. As an American, You cant fool me with that argument.

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The only fallacies so far have been yours, as indicated quite clearly with that video.

I can say the same about you, cut it off.

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The people of FATA are celebrating the arrival of the Pakistani State and the Pakistani Army, heralding the defeat of the Taliban. It is clear. If you have concrete evidence debunking that video we can talk, otherwise there is nothing more to say here.

I can argue elseways, like I said, I doubt you would want to use media to prove a point, we all know how biased that could be. And like I said, I am refraining from posting videos that would make your country look horrible and torturers.

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You said Pashtun's can get across into Afghanistan with no ID while non-Pashtun cannot.

same goes for non Pashtuns from Afghanistan, Tajiks,Uzbek are tortured by Pakistanis for simply not being Pashtun and not speaking Pashto, and they are forced to pay bribes from both Pakistani side and Afghan side. Like I said, we know how bribery works in your country.

So its not fair to single out Afghanistan, Its equally Pakistans fault as well.

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Isn't that discrimination on the part of Afghanistan?

And Pakistan.
I like how you solely blame your problems on Afghanistan, Its interesting.

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Pakistan, as I have already pointed out, is implementing ID's for both Pashtun and non-Pashtun.

I will laugh at you if you think those "I-Ds" are actually being used. It wil show me that you have merely ever visited the border area.

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Don't assume that which you have no knowledge of
- it is not I who is refusing to accept video evidence debunking his claims. So far you have provided nothing but unsubstantiated opinion.

I can argue for my position that you have done the same. You claim Pakistan is not sticking its nose in Afghan affairs, You claim Pakistan does not want its influence in Afghanistan, Yet your generals, members of this board argue the opposite. Who is wrong here?

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We have issues with India's involvement becasue we do not trust the government of Afghanistan.

And that is why you want a friendly Afghanistan which is an ally and you can trust.

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From what I have read, India is not extensively training the ANA, and we made clear that we do not want them to increase their involvement for the reasons mentioned above.

You need to read again and find out why Pakistan is so upset about this.

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By that yardstick why is India investing a billion or so in Afghanistan when it has hundreds of millions of impoverished Indians and millions of sex workers?

Cause India wants a friendly Afghanistan and an ally. They are not shy to say so if you ask them.

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Afghanistan needs to learn to live with Pakistan, and not continuously seek to attack it and destabilize it.

I agree, Your country and Afghanistan needs to realize they share a lot and they should live in peace. I agree with the above. They should both engage in dialogues and find out ways to improve relations.

The 2nd largest population in Pakistan is Pashtuns(ethnic Afghans) and the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan is Pashtuns, quite obviously as you can see both countries share a lot. If Canad and My country the U.S.A can live in peace, So can your country Pakistan and Afghanistan.


Enough said,

 

[asq]

I read the posts by Truth hurt and am of the openion that he is toungue and cheek and is trying to blame everything on Pakistan.

His deductions about prostitution in pakistan were totaly uncalled for.

He is also blaming Pakistan for all the wars in Afghanistan, again he is wrong, it was Russia who started this and Pakistan's arm was twisted to get involved in it, the reason was that U.S, wanted revange from Russians for what they did to them in Vietnam.

I totaly agree with AGno for him being unhappy with T.S, for him being disrespectful to pakistan about prostituion which has no connection and ralavency to the topic at hand.

T.H also talk about Paskistan when it was created and tried to undermione the discussion saying that Pakistan is only 60 years old, Man o man. What silly thing to say, Fact is that only name was changed, people living in Pakistan were here for mellaniums and been her as long as Afghanis been here.

I have said it before Indians come to this forum and mostly make up things to start an agument, whereas If I tryt o list in their RAkshak, i AM NOT ALLOWED.

So My Pakistani brothers Indian have an agenda of spreading disinformation and are trying to uopset us and hoping to see Pakistan go down.

But by the grace of Allah S.W.T. We will be succesfull becuase Moraly we are right. The sgns of our success are already aparent.

 

[TruthHurts]

I read the posts by Truth hurt and am of the openion that he is toungue and cheek

English please.

and is trying to blame everything on Pakistan.

Nope, Id never do that. I have no reason to, I was born and live thousands of miles away, I am merely expressing how I feel.

His deductions about prostitution in pakistan were totaly uncalled for.

Not really, It was to make a point. Pakistan has so many problems of its own, yet it is busy spending millions of dollars trying to acquire friendly countries and potential allies. Don't you think the poor people in your village could be helpen out with the millions of dollars Pakistan is either spending on their military or donating to other countries?

He is also blaming Pakistan for all the wars in Afghanistan,

Don't lie, and stop putting false words in my mouth. Show me one place where I blamed Pakistan for ALL ITS WARS. Afghans defeated the British 3x before Pakistan was no where founded on the Map.
Pakistan is only 60 years, How could I even blame Pakistan for "All the wars" in Afghanistan. Are you aware of the rich history of Afghanistan? Afghan has fought and won wars before the inception of Pakistan.

again he is wrong, it was Russia who started this and Pakistan's arm was twisted to get involved in it,

Not Russia, U.S.S.R and get involved in what?

the reason was that U.S, wanted revange from Russians for what they did to them in Vietnam.

If you say so, Whatever that has to do with the topic.

I totaly agree with AGno for him being unhappy with T.S, for him being disrespectful to pakistan about prostituion which has no connection and ralavency to the topic at hand.

How does it not? It was the truth stated to make a point.
Why are you attempting to hide from the truth? Did I generalize? Did I say all Pakistani's are bad people? All I said was Pakistan as a 3rd world country should improve on its literacy rate and problems such as Sex trade and women being sent to Dubai rather then looking for allies and sticking its nose in other affairs, Such as Kayani already saying showing interest in "Afghan affairs". Do you need sources from me to elaborate on my stance above?

T.H also talk about Paskistan when it was created and tried to undermione the discussion saying that Pakistan is only 60 years old, Man o man. What silly thing to say,

Am I wrong? Thousands of years ago the land was called Pakistan? Has the land even been called Pakistan for 100 years? Obviously Pakistan can claim the land and connect to the history, But none of those historical acheivements were recorded under the name of "Pakistan" That is my point.

Fact is that only name was changed, people living in Pakistan were here for mellaniums and been her as long as Afghanis been here.

Afghani is the currency of Afghanistan.
I assume you mean "Afghans". Afghans once again have thousands of years of history, but not all 5 thousand was under them name of Afghanistan.

I have said it before Indians come to this forum and mostly make up things to start an agument, whereas If I tryt o list in their RAkshak, i AM NOT ALLOWED.

Oh those Indians! Don't you just hate them and wish they die?(Sarcasm intended)

So My Pakistani brothers Indian have an agenda of spreading disinformation and are trying to uopset us and hoping to see Pakistan go down.

Indians merely care what you have to do, All my Indian peers are farly educated as compared to their counterparts and have not ONCE ever demonize or badmouthed Pakistan in front of me. Cause they Know I will stick up for Pakistan and defend it.

But by the grace of Allah S.W.T. We will be succesfull becuase Moraly we are right. The sgns of our success are already aparent.

I hardly see any signs of success, But hope for peace. That's all I suggest you, Hope for peace between the 3 countries.

 

[TruthHurts]

All those prostitutes you are talking about who are selling themselves in Pakistan are probably Afghans and Iranians.

Afghans and Iranians? You know posts like these just simply worsen the relationships, Good and bad exist in all socieities. It seems like you are following me every where I go, Stop it and cut it off.

With that being said, Just to add to your knowledge, I doubt the women in the article below look Iranian or Afghan,They are from Punjab.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Meeting Pakistani prostitutes

Once again, this is just to make a point and let you know that you need to cut it off, I am tired of discussing this matter. If you are interested in further research, simply google it.



Than you

Just a heads up, Having the last say in a Forums does not necessarily make you sound smarter at all, With that being said and since you have not once brought anything interesting to discuss and your arguments are all based on fallacies, Ad hominem fallacies to be precise, I am left with no choice but to not waste my time on you and to ignore you.

So do us all a favor and stop post-whoring and derailing the thread. I will not break my promise that I made with Desiman.

 

[Ahmad]

I personally dont know TruthHurts and i might or might not agree with his ideas. But he is giving a taste of your own medicine to some pakistani members here(not all). Isnt it you guys playing ethnic cards proudly in Afghanistan to gain benefit? When TruthHrts is talking the same about pakistan and some people get angry. Dont you guys always say that pashtoons of Afghanistan who are the largest ethnic group in afghanistan are pro pakistan? and i am asking for the concret proof to show they are pro pakistan and nobody answers especialy Omar who runs away. the so called northern alliance(former mujahideen) were dear to pakistan, didnt we see how they turned their guns against pakistan? i wont be surprised to see the taliban do the same thing, so stop your foreign policy in afghansitan based on ethnicities, try to engage with people of afghanistan rather than ethnicizing the whole issue. if you think you can use pashtoons, tajiks or any other ethnic group for your benefit you are wrong. if you try to escalate ethnic tensions if afghanistan it will be a catelist to a rise in ethno nationalism and it will be pakistan who will feel the heat, remember durand line? it is a truth that non pashtoons in afghanistan dont give a damn about NWFP and if you try to deepen the ethnic issue in afghanistan any further then it will be the pashtoons who will look for NWFP. so engage with the people and their gov in a positve attitude and way and you will see the postive result.

 

[TruthHurts]

^ I agree with you above, But just to add, Pashtuns from both sides are the same people with different passports, There is no difference amongst them and they have connections across the border. And its not just the Afghan sides who don't recognize the border, Its both from Pak and Afg, The Pashtun community as a whole considers the border as illegitiment, In Waziristan, they do not consider themselves Pakistani for a reason. I don't care if they do or not, but lets not show a blind eye to the truth.

Afghanistan claimed that Pakistan was a new state, not a successor to British India, and that all past border treaties had lapsed. A loya jirga in Kabul denied that the Durand Line was an international border and called for self-determination of the tribal territories as Pashtunistan. Skirmishes across the Durand Line began with the covert support of both governments.

"It’s not a tribe. It’s a nation. This is 40 million people spread across Afghanistan and Pakistan, you know, who don’t even recognize that border. It’s their land. … There’s 40 million of them. That’s a nation, not a tribe. Within it are tribal groupings and so on. But they all speak the common language. And they all have a very similar, very rigid, in lots of ways very admirable code of honor much stronger than their adherence to Islam. "

 

[Desert Fox]

I am glad you confessed to what exactly pakistan want in afghanistan.

and i'm glad you confessed that you want india to use Afghanistan against Pakistan!

 

[Ahmad]

and i'm glad you confessed that you want india to use Afghanistan against Pakistan!

I never said anything like that, proof it, my country is my country and i dont give a damn about nobody. But i will surely push all the buttons which will make you jump, payback time, isnt it?

 

[Desert Fox]

I doubt you are, Suicide attacks are at a all time high, Pakistani citizens are scared to leave their houses, Bomb blasts occur on a bi-weekly basis. Not so sure if the goal has been acheived. I think the situation is far worse in Pakistan right now, You are aware that Pakistan is the worlds dangerest country right? Not so sure how successful your corrupt government is so far.

What you sow, so shall your reap. Enough said.


Well, its a win,win situation for me. I am not an Afghanistani to argue in Afghanistan's favor. My point is to see peace in those countries. I wish well for Pakistan and Afghanistan, However, Quite frankly it is Pakistan that is sticking its nose in Afghanistan's business attempting to spread influence.

Its even clear in this thread that many Pakistani's want Afghanistan as an ally on good terms, Have you even bothered reading the public popular view in this thread? Its quite humurous if you ask me, The resentment of Indian presence has always made me laugh when argued by a Pakistani.

Nevertheless, what I posted was a video of a Pakistani journalist describing failure in your country. I agree, with you media can not be used as a medium to describe a country.

If media was favorable to the Taliban, they can easily point a camera towards a group of people happy with Taliban presence. Would that make my stance better? Ofcourse not, its what you and I say and present that will make the audience judge on this matter. So how about we both refrain from posting videos and focus on authoratative sources,Scholarly to say the least.


And the sky is Green.

I beg to differ and I disagree, my encounters with inhabitants from N.W.F.P or what you would call Sarhadis and Baluchis, is quite,quite negative. They say they are treated like 2nd class citizens and have quite nice arguments that I have read which makes a load of sense.

Nevertheless, If my people (Pashtuns) are happy in Pakistan, I am also happy but the thing is so far they are not. Ive actually visited the nation and see how they are treated and don't tell me they are "Patriotic" cause the join the military, I'll argue and say one of the major reasons why the join the military is cause its better paying as compared to jobs that are either inaccessible or hard to find. But nevertheless, My argument from the beginning was my people are treated bad, I have visited 2 provinces, spoke to them and I am not happy at all. So don't tell me a French Pakistani who happens so that travels to Quetta is very happy and he is a Pashtun. That argument simply will not work with me.

Now, I am not playing devils advocate here, My point is Pakistan should mind its business, Improve its countries conditions rather then always be worried about its neighbors who the assume is causing a "Potential threat". That's all.

My other argument is, Pakistan needs to do more for my people, Build schools that teach their language and history. So far I see nothing being done in that case.



I have visited Quetta, and I can tell you those Pashtuns are not quite happy with the way they are being treated, To an extent that Punjabis are being target killed and were even asked to LEAVE.

Once again, cut off the Media crap, I can start posting videos of things that would refute everything you have posted, but like how I outlined earlier, It wouldnt make sense.


Not so sure with that one, Didn't you just ban a Pashtun from Pakistan who was speaking against you guys? I have been lurking for a while and I beg to differ with the above. As an American, You cant fool me with that argument.

I can say the same about you, cut it off.

I can argue elseways, like I said, I doubt you would want to use media to prove a point, we all know how biased that could be. And like I said, I am refraining from posting videos that would make your country look horrible and torturers.


same goes for non Pashtuns from Afghanistan, Tajiks,Uzbek are tortured by Pakistanis for simply not being Pashtun and not speaking Pashto, and they are forced to pay bribes from both Pakistani side and Afghan side. Like I said, we know how bribery works in your country.

So its not fair to single out Afghanistan, Its equally Pakistans fault as well.


And Pakistan.
I like how you solely blame your problems on Afghanistan, Its interesting.

I will laugh at you if you think those "I-Ds" are actually being used. It wil show me that you have merely ever visited the border area.


I can argue for my position that you have done the same. You claim Pakistan is not sticking its nose in Afghan affairs, You claim Pakistan does not want its influence in Afghanistan, Yet your generals, members of this board argue the opposite. Who is wrong here?


And that is why you want a friendly Afghanistan which is an ally and you can trust.


You need to read again and find out why Pakistan is so upset about this.

Cause India wants a friendly Afghanistan and an ally. They are not shy to say so if you ask them.

I agree, Your country and Afghanistan needs to realize they share a lot and they should live in peace. I agree with the above. They should both engage in dialogues and find out ways to improve relations.

The 2nd largest population in Pakistan is Pashtuns(ethnic Afghans) and the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan is Pashtuns, quite obviously as you can see both countries share a lot. If Canad and My country the U.S.A can live in peace, So can your country Pakistan and Afghanistan.


Enough said,

what a liar and a hypocrite, dude, didn't you say in your other posts that you NEVER been to Afghanistan and Pakistan, and now your spurting all this BS?

Lol, i have relatives in Peshawar, SWAT, Gilgit, Chaman, Lahore, Karachi, and no one hates Pakistan!!!! If you go to Peshawar and shout pashtunistan Bs and silly slogans, i bet you will get a big slap right across your face! Nobody here wants to be a part of Afghanistan (a country that can't even unite)!

You talk about uniting Afghanistan, lol dream on my boy, that wouldn't happen even in your dreams! We Pakistani Pashtuns are thankful to Allah for giving us a blessed land where we can eat, sleep, and go on with a good healthy lifestyle!

When we look at you Afghans, all we see is a country divided on ethnic lines! Heck, before Taliban existed, people used to say that "you can't travel to Afghanistan with 1 visa"! If india, Pakistan, America, Nato back out from Afghanistan do you think Afghans will unite? lol, Tajiks don't want a Pashtun ruling them, Pashtuns don't want Uzbeks ruling them, Hazaras don't want Pashtuns ruling them!
Your all freaking stuck in the tribal stone age! you can't agree to one thing!

So hellllll nooooooo we do not wish to be a part of Afghanistan! Alhamdulillah we are treated very well by Punjabis, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Baluchis, and we are united because we're all Muslims!

BTW, i'm a Pashtun, my mom is a Yousafzai Pashtun! I have never been disrespected, and as you can see i'm educated! Down here there is no ethnic violence or such! Nobody treats Pashtuns as second class citizens!

In fact one of Pakistan's presidents General Ayub Khan was a Pashtun, our nuclear scientist A.Q Khan is a Pashtun, our cricket team has a lot of Pashtuns in it! One of my relatives was a Brigadier in the Pakistan army and he is Pashtun! 30-36% of Pakistan's armed forces is Pashtun.

Also, when india threatened to attack Pakistan in 2002 and 2008, Pashtuns tribes of FATA and NWFP offered all their support to Pak army, just as they did during the liberation of Kashmir during the 1947 war!

The only people who are despised are you Afghan thugs who kidnap little girls and sell them into sex slavery in Arab countries, Afghan women are very famous for doing dirty things in Peshawar, and other places! Whenever a Afghan walks into the market place, everyone grabs hold of their child to make sure they don't get kidnapped! All these heroin and drug was brought into Pakistan by you Afghans!

In Karachi thousand of Afghans have opened up businesses and stores!

Your up here talking all this bs, while more than 3 million of your Afghan countrymen have taken refuge in my country, eat and sleep in Pakistan and you talk sh!t?

I hope Pakistan does exactly what Iran has done to you Afghans, kick you out with a big boot back to your land where you can continue to dream about breaking Pakistan to pieces alongside your indian friends!

Even Iranians don't like you, the only people who suck up to you are indian! I would be more than happy to force all Afghan refuges out of Pakistan and into india, and i bet you those indians will worship you as they have done throughout ages, indians consider you their Aryan brahman brothers! I bet you those indians wouldn't mind if you wreak heavoc in their country, bring all those AK-47's, heroin, and crimes into india and they'll be more than happy to accept! Also, they wouldn't mind if you kidnap and rape their women!

 

[Desert Fox]

I never said anything like that, proof it, my country is my country and i dont give a damn about nobody. But i will surely push all the buttons which will make you jump, payback time, isnt it?

payback? lol, i'm soo scared! let me know when your ready, i'll be waiting alongside 170 million Pakistanis!

 

[Hammy007]

But i will surely push all the buttons which will make you jump, payback time, isnt it?

this is it, i request the mods to please kick all afghans and indians who are propagating and sympathising to avail this opportunity in order to carry out their BS against pakistan here out of this forum please. this is getting really annoying.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Silent bro dont need to reply to some ignorant fool.Ahmed is a tajik who was banned from PDF earlier and this truth guy isnt a afghan hes indian or a hazara,tajik whateverI just visited an indian def forum where they were talkin about using fake IDs on PDF even some anti pakistan indian members are sprewing B.S on there crappy def forum.
About truth i bet he doesnt even know whats the capital of kunar...or other.
I bet some non-pakistani members dont even know tht most of Presidents of Pakistan were pushtoon.