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India or China: Which Asian Giant Has More Inclusive Growth?

My question is simple: when do you see a Chinese post in the India section vs. when do you see Indians post in the Chinese section? This shows which side is the problem.

I see chinesedragon, buddhistpalm, cirr and some others frequently trolling and being quite arrogant there quite frequently....and some Indian members are doing the same here.

If you normalise such activity relative to the activity of the posters and number of posters from that country, I would think it is quite equivalent.

But if you want to self-declare a moral high ground, be my guest, you are free to express your opinion however biased it may be.
 
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I see chinesedragon, buddhistpalm, cirr and some others frequently trolling and being quite arrogant there quite frequently....and some Indian members are doing the same here.

If you normalise such activity relative to the activity of the posters and number of posters from that country, I would think it is quite equivalent.

But if you want to self-declare a moral high ground, be my guest, you are free to express your opinion however biased it may be.

Does ChineseDragon actually post in the India forum, or is he replying to Indian started threads in the China forum?
 
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Great that we agree on your pea brain. :tup::)

That article and survey is representative of all Indian students.. Yes.. In-case ou didn't get it. That was sarcasm.
and any one of "those students" who fared poorly are still going to be more than a handful for you :agree:

Just on the side info.

The people who conducted that test warned against making judgment on India because the sampling was incomplete.

* Himachal Pradesh-India, Miranda-Venezuela and Tamil Nadu-India did not meet all PISA standards (for student sampling) and their results should be interpreted with caution. See ‘Sampling outcomes’ in Appendix A for details.

Himachal Pradesh-India and Tamil Nadu-India did not meet PISA standards for student sampling. Due to irregularities in the student sample numbers, it was established after the testing that these economies sampled from student lists that were often incomplete: not all 15-year-olds within the school were listed. It was not possible to determine whether any bias existed in the obtained sample. Caution should be exercised when using the data from Himachal Pradesh-India or Tamil Nadu-India and when interpreting the reported analyses. [Appendix A - Table A. 4 - Student Response Rates & Sample Size - page 104]

http://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisaproducts/48852548.pdf

Of course Indophobic minds will deliberately ignore

Interesting none of the other south Asian nations except India have participated in that test.
 
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Something they will not like to accept. :D
Lack of transparency has allowed corruption to be rampant in China

China's losses due to corruption from 2003-2012 = $1.2 Trillion
Indian losses = $439 billion


Illicit Financial Flows from Developing Countries: 2003-2012 « Global Financial Integrity


The first time I had posted this information, I remember watching Chinese posters going berserk, stating this report was fake, because it showed China have more losses due to corruption than India :lol:
Yes yes, China is heavy corrupt. Yet we still has the world extensive and high quality HSR, some of the world best infrastructure, 2nd largest economy and one of the lowest rate of illiteracy.
 
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India or China: Which Asian Giant Has More Inclusive Growth

India vs. China

Which of the world’s two billion-person economies is taking better care of its citizens? Click the drop down to compare to see how India and China have performed.

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China: 99%
India: 13%


India and China are the world’s fastest-expanding large economies but which has been better at sharing the benefits of that growth with its people?

A new World Economic Forum survey titled “Inclusive Growth and Development Report 2015” released Monday tries to go beyond gross domestic product figures to give a more detailed look at how different economies are doing. It lists and ranks 112 countries using 140 indicators.

By pointing to relative performance on everything from labor productivity and women’s pay to the size of the middle class and health care coverage, the report is attempting to show how inclusive growth is in each country.

The report says most countries still have a long way to go, need to look closely at their relative performances and adjust their policies so that as their economies expand, more of their citizens benefit from that growth.

“Societies that have had particular success in building a robust middle class and reducing poverty and social marginalization have tended to create effective economic institutions and incentives … while supporting growth through sound macroeconomic policies and efficiency-enhancing reforms,” the report said.

The survey uses the basic measure of income and wealth inequality called the Gini index: The higher the number, the more lopsided the income distribution and the larger the gap between the rich and poor. Using that measure, income equality in India and China (after taxes and government transfers) is similar. Both countries come in at just above 50 on the Gini index, which has a zero to 100 scale.

The U.S. and the United Kingdom both have less- pronounced income inequality, with around 35 on the Gini index after taxes and transfer payments, the survey said.

While income distribution and GDP growth indicators in India and China are neck and neck most of the other numbers thrown up by the WEF survey suggest China is doing a much better job of taking care of its population of more than one billion people.

More of China’s populace is getting educated, more Chinese citizens are covered by healthcare and that country has a much larger middle class.

Play with the interactive chart above to see how the two Asian heavyweights performed on these and other indicators.

Of course it makes sense that China would be delivering better services to its people. Its economy is more than four times the size of India’s.

Indeed the WEF report didn’t even rank the two nations in the same peer group. China is an “upper middle income” economy while India is a “lower middle income” economy.

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Why nobody is surprised?

Time to celebrate the feel good day

I think their government is too inefficient and corrupt to achieve such a tall order.

History is an indicator.

Lol :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

You srsly need a self confidence booster guide
 
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Of course India fares much better in inclusive growth.
We have one billion rich middle class with longer life expectancy than Chinese.
We are growing in double digit while China is at less than 5%.
And India is not a UNSC permanent member which is an indication of failed nations.
Modi the great is on his way to give inclusive growth to poor nations in East Asia.
 
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India has been ranked very low, mostly in the bottom half, amongst 112 economies considered for the first of its kind global ranking to find out where countries stand in terms of inclusive growth.

India has been ranked low on most parameters for inclusive growth and development even as it fares much better internationally when it come to business and political ethics.

The rankings, across different groups of countries in terms of their per capita income levels, the World Economic Forum (WEF) found that most countries are in fact missing major opportunities to reduce income inequality and same is the case with India.

WEF said that the new study, which was conducted over the past two years, seeks to identify the various ways policymakers can drive economic growth and equity at the same time and assesses them on their relative success in implementing these measures.

"Our message is unequivocally that leaders must pursue economic strategies that are at the same time pro-growth and pro-labour," said the Geneva-based think tank known for its economic conclaves held in different parts of the world including in Davos, Switzerland and in India.

India, considered in the lower middle income bracket, has ranked in the bottom half of the 38 countries that make up our lower middle income bracket.

In terms of labour compensation and employment, India got a score of 3.14 on a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being the worst and 7 being the best score. Within its economic group, India was better than only Mauritania, Yemen, Iran and Pakistan, in terms of labour compensation and employment.

In terms of financial system inclusion, something that the Narendra Modi government has been batting for since their first day in office, India got a score of 2.96, higher than only countries like Nigeria, Tunisia, Ghana.

India has been given a score of 3.86 on a scale of 1-7 for basic and digital infrastructure -- another focus area for the government -- ranked below Iran, Tunisia, Jordon, Egypt, and so on, in its category. We came in at rank 31 out of 38 in terms of health services and infrastructure, with a score of 3.78.

Social protection is the bottom of the pit, with a score of 2.15 and the 36th rank on 38 in the segment, higher only than Nigeria and Honduras.

Corruption, however, was a positive, with India ranking 9th from top, indicating lesser corruptive practices compared to other countries in the group. In terms of score, however, it was weak at 3.99 on 7.

WEF said that another area that policymakers in India would need to prioritise improvement would be 'Asset building and entrepreneurship', in particular the Small business ownership, where India ranks bottom among its peers at 38th place.

WEF said its first Inclusive Growth and Development Report presents a new framework for assessing countries efforts to foster economic growth that raises the living standards of entire societies.

"Around the world, no bigger policy challenge preoccupies political leaders than expanding social participation in the process and benefits of economic growth," WEF said while releasing the report that covers 112 economies.

In summary, India is at the level of Sub-Saharan African countries. It would be best if Indians on PDF start comparing themselves to African countries instead of comparing to China.


I do not see anything these two posters made that is considered offensive. I think you should be banned for false reporting .

@Hu Songshan

dangerous tourist country only.

:sarcastic:
 
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In summary, India is at the level of Sub-Saharan African countries. It would be best if Indians on PDF start comparing themselves to African countries instead of comparing to China.



I do not see anything these two posters made that is considered offensive. I think you should be banned for false reporting .

@Hu Songshan



:sarcastic:
Please don't compare India to Sub-Saharan when we have the most talented people in NASA.
China is more close to SSA in terms of PPP.

I do not see anything these two posters made that is considered offensive. I think you should be banned for false reporting .

@Hu Songshan
Every one is born with the right to report, it is more important than money and food.
 
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India or China: Which Asian Giant Has More Inclusive Growth

India vs. China

Which of the world’s two billion-person economies is taking better care of its citizens? Click the drop down to compare to see how India and China have performed.

safe_image.php

pixel.gif

China: 99%
India: 13%


India and China are the world’s fastest-expanding large economies but which has been better at sharing the benefits of that growth with its people?

A new World Economic Forum survey titled “Inclusive Growth and Development Report 2015” released Monday tries to go beyond gross domestic product figures to give a more detailed look at how different economies are doing. It lists and ranks 112 countries using 140 indicators.

By pointing to relative performance on everything from labor productivity and women’s pay to the size of the middle class and health care coverage, the report is attempting to show how inclusive growth is in each country.

The report says most countries still have a long way to go, need to look closely at their relative performances and adjust their policies so that as their economies expand, more of their citizens benefit from that growth.

“Societies that have had particular success in building a robust middle class and reducing poverty and social marginalization have tended to create effective economic institutions and incentives … while supporting growth through sound macroeconomic policies and efficiency-enhancing reforms,” the report said.

The survey uses the basic measure of income and wealth inequality called the Gini index: The higher the number, the more lopsided the income distribution and the larger the gap between the rich and poor. Using that measure, income equality in India and China (after taxes and government transfers) is similar. Both countries come in at just above 50 on the Gini index, which has a zero to 100 scale.

The U.S. and the United Kingdom both have less- pronounced income inequality, with around 35 on the Gini index after taxes and transfer payments, the survey said.

While income distribution and GDP growth indicators in India and China are neck and neck most of the other numbers thrown up by the WEF survey suggest China is doing a much better job of taking care of its population of more than one billion people.

More of China’s populace is getting educated, more Chinese citizens are covered by healthcare and that country has a much larger middle class.

Play with the interactive chart above to see how the two Asian heavyweights performed on these and other indicators.

Of course it makes sense that China would be delivering better services to its people. Its economy is more than four times the size of India’s.

Indeed the WEF report didn’t even rank the two nations in the same peer group. China is an “upper middle income” economy while India is a “lower middle income” economy.

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Why nobody is surprised?
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Access to electricity:
China: 99.80%
India: 75.3
I think their 75.3% includes those who only have access to electricity 3 hours per day.
I haven't gone though any power cuts when I travel around China except in EBC where only solar energy is provided.

Here's the thing: if only Indian media and internet Indians would stop jumping and pointing fingers at China, most Chinese would regard India as a curious but dangerous tourist country only.
Yes, too dangerous, no clean tap water, regular power failures, constant harassment.
Just read Lonely Planet India, see how readers are continuously warned from Page1 to the final.

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I think their 75.3% includes those who only have access to electricity 3 hours per day.
I haven't gone though any power cuts when I travel around China except in EBC where only solar energy is provided.


Yes, too dangerous, no clean tap water, regular power failures, constant harassment.
Just read Lonely Planet India, see how readers are continuously warned from Page1 to the final.

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India is definitely in another league. Perhaps a league of its own. It is short of a scientific HaryCurry to compare and contrast the two.

Here in my institution, we are warned not to travel to India even for a short conference. Just does not worth it. Hence we choose places like the Mainland, Japan and South Korea.
 
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India is definitely in another league. Perhaps a league of its own. It is short of a scientific HaryCurry to compare and contrast the two.

Here in my institution, we are warned not to travel to India even for a short conference. Just does not worth it. Hence we choose places like the Mainland, Japan and South Korea.
Bought Lonely Planet India years ago, so scared.
I have bought a lot of Lonely Planet's country guides, first time the content of a book could eliminate my whole desire to travel. I am sure a lot of foreign readers have similar experience.
 
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