India nuclear plant leaks!!

[toxic_pus]

And that's why you people are having difficult time digesting it?!

The facts are there and the time is there, why not to look into them and see it for ourselves what exactly happened and why?

As for now it seems to me as if you are having a difficult time thinking clearly and resolutely. Next time come up with a better excuse!

Yeah sure.

So?!

It is beyond you to wrap your head around that.

The amusing part is that you think it looks good.

Exactly!!

You are guud man, you just found out what's wrong with your PM and COAS, they are shitting bricks all the time especially when they have to visit someone important!!

I also found out that 'thin heads' all reside in Pakistan. Thats why most of them need to wear that tinfoil hat - lest osmosis results in degeneration of brains.

It appears, some can't even make a proper hat.

 

[Bhaarat]

You, however, indicated that since there is a 'leak', the Indian nuclear power plants posses the same danger that nuclear warheads in wrong hands do.

Atleast, to spread this bogey, the right situation or event should be chosen. The present leak is completely inconsequential to the general safety of Nuke warheads or nuke material, he chose the wrong event.

 

[Xeric]

This is called goal post shifting.

Nobody denies that nuclear power plants need to be secured. You, however, indicated that since there is a 'leak', the Indian nuclear power plants posses the same danger that nuclear warheads in wrong hands do. That too without knowing if it involved any fissile material or not.

That is apples and jackfruit.

Now that your bluff has been called, you are indulging into some mental masturbation.

Carry on.

Are you actaully this dumb or just pretending to be one?

Dont play with the words buddy, you'll lose!

Someone screwed up at your "SECURE" power plant and that's it. If someone has the guts and the access to poison a few fellow employees today, tomorrow there's no doubt that he (or someone else) would kick you in your nuts and with a Pu-239!!

Well it is this simple, whether you accept it of not, your security protocols have been busted and that too by someone from the inside. But the thing is that you lack shame and the guts to accept the facts, therefore you are going to just carry on with the denial mode!!

It's just like saying, hey! if they can attack the GHQ, how secure is your military apparatus?! Got it? May be not, because i know you lack the mental agility to do so!

 

[Xeric]

And as for the 'leak' thingy, i presume that you all jumped into the thread without going through all the news sources, let's see how the news was quoted (just quoting three for now-BTW, all these links are present in the thread, if you missed them):

Radiation leak at Kaiga nuke plant leave employees sick

BBC News - India nuclear plant leak under investigation

Radiation leak in Kaiga could be sabotage, probe ordered- Hindustan Times

 

[SSGPA1]

India's bad water system is causing stomach diseases then the fear of radiation ab pata nahee aur kiya kiya leak ho ga India mey?

 

[toxic_pus]

Are you actaully this dumb or just pretending to be one?

Whatever gets you to sleep at night.

Dont play with the words buddy, you'll lose!

Try me.

Someone screwed up at your "SECURE" power plant and that's it. If someone has the guts and the access to poison a few fellow employees today, tomorrow there's no doubt that he (or someone else) would kick you in your nuts and with a Pu-239!!

Accessing fissile material is one thing, which didn't happen by the way, and 'accessing' heavy water is another. The reference to Point Lepreau was precisely to drive this point home. But you have already shown that you couldn't quite figure out what purpose that reference served.

Don't wrack your brains too hard. You might end up hurting the butterflies inside.

Well it is this simple, whether you accept it of not, your security protocols have been busted and that too by someone from the inside.

Yeah sure. Whatever you say.

But the thing is that you lack shame and the guts to accept the facts, therefore you are going to just carry on with the denial mode!!

Really? Coming from someone who didn't even know if fissile material was at all involved in the 'leak' or that heavy water contamination can happen in spite of all sorts of security.

It's just like saying, hey! if they can attack the GHQ, how secure is your military apparatus?! Got it? May be not, because i know you lack the mental agility to do so!

I never subscribed to that point of view. But nice propping up of strawman. How do you propose to beat it?

You have now shifted your goal post so far, you probably can't see where it originally was.

 

[blain2]

I have always maintained that Indian nuclear plants and locations are probably in worse shape than even those in the former Soviet republics. All sorts of #2 dramay baazi goes on there and no one has a darn clue. Oh well. Based on the responses above, it seems another raw nerve has been touched and the full backs are out in full swing defending the program and all that is within it.

 

[Xeric]

Whatever gets you to sleep at night.

Well making you 'pretend to laugh' makes me sleep tight now a days.

Try me.

Is there still a need?!

Or may be we can try if you could develop a thicker skin!

Accessing fissile material is one thing, which didn't happen by the way, and 'accessing' heavy water is another.

Well that's what you and others (who are really hurt) think!

The reference to Point Lepreau was precisely to drive this point home. But you have already shown that you couldn't quite figure out what purpose that reference served.

You are actually 'denying the correlatives', but still eating dust time and again!

Don't wrack your brains too hard. You might end up hurting the butterflies inside.

Allow me to say this; Ignoratio elenchi!

Yeah sure. Whatever you say.

That's the best answer you could come up with?!

Really? Coming from someone who didn't even know if fissile material was at all involved in the 'leak' or that heavy water contamination can happen in spite of all sorts of security.

Yeah right!

Sorry i forgot that i am talking with Dr APJ Abdul Kalam!!

I never subscribed to that point of view.

Ahan!

But nice propping up of strawman. How do you propose to beat it?

Exactly in the same manner as currently you are failing to save your turd.

You have now shifted your goal post so far, you probably can't see where it originally was.

With this i can confidently conclude that you are suffering from 'base rate fallacy' and cant be helped!!

 

[Chanakyaa]

I have always maintained that Indian nuclear plants and locations are probably in worse shape than even those in the former Soviet republics. All sorts of #2 dramay baazi goes on there and no one has a darn clue. Oh well. Based on the responses above, it seems another raw nerve has been touched and the full backs are out in full swing defending the program and all that is within it.

Yet the Chernobyl Happened in USSR Not India in the same span of 60 Years.
No body is defending the lapse on the incident. It SHOULD not have happened.

Without Thinking once Members are concluding illogical Facts.

#1. Leak in The Plant due to some Technical Fault :: Didnt Occurred
#2. Any sort of Radiation from the Reactor :: Absolutely NO, Recator Building is Entirely separate from Canteen Area
#3. And the Nukes Safety ? :: Indian Nukes are NOT stored in Power Plants

The case is that of someone getting the Tritium may be from some Storage Area as ( You cannot take it out from a reactor ) and kept it in the Cooler.

 

[toxic_pus]

Well making you 'pretend to laugh' makes me sleep tight now a days.

Good to know that I helped someone get his long lost sleep.

Is there still a need?!

You are the one who made the posit.

Or may be we can try if you could develop a thicker skin!

I am sure you know how to develop a thicker skin. I have no doubt.

Well that's what you and others (who are really hurt) think!

And so does the entire community of nuclear physicist. But hey, they are all thick heads.

You are actually 'denying the correlatives', but still eating dust time and again!

Yes I know that reference has still got your undies in a Gordian knot, because, after all, it flushes all your assertions down the pooper.

Allow me to say this; Ignoratio elenchi!

Do you really know what that means. Can you show which part of that argument was ignoratio elenchi.

That's the best answer you could come up with?!

Anything else and it would have flown straight over your ultra thin head.

Sorry i forgot that i am talking with Dr APJ Abdul Kalam!!

No. I am A.Q.Khan.

Exactly in the same manner as currently you are failing to save your turd.

I was under the impression that turds are meant to be not saved. Why, is that what you do? No wonder.

With this i can confidently conclude that you are suffering from 'base rate fallacy' and cant be helped!!

You should first learn what these fallacies are before throwing them around.

Anyway.

Your first assertion was: Security breach in a civilian nuclear power plant, entails the same degree of risk as security breach in nuclear warhead storage facility (all things remaining same).

Your second assertion was: 'Leak' at Kaiga involved fissile material.

Your third assertion was: Fissile material in a nuclear power plant is just as accessible as the heavy water, that was involved in the so called 'leak'.

You couldn't substantiate and uphold a single assertion. Neither with logic, nor with data.

 

[Xeric]

Anyway.

Your first assertion was: Security breach in a civilian nuclear power plant, entails the same degree of risk as security breach in nuclear warhead storage facility (all things remaining same).

Now that shows a clear lack of understanding, mental incoherency, deliberate effort to misdirect the issue and an open acceptance of the fact that you are just trying to mingle up the words!

i need not clear up what i have stood by.

Your second assertion was: 'Leak' at Kaiga involved fissile material.

Would you mind quoting me saying the above BS?

Your third assertion was: Fissile material in a nuclear power plant is just as accessible as the heavy water, that was involved in the so called 'leak'.

If intellectuals at dehli can shyt up a vague fear just any time when they feel like or if they can point their starved fingers towards ISI whenever someone from within knocks up their balls, we have all the right to reciprocate, BUT, my 'idea' that you have so beautifully narrated was not impressed by the indian syndrome that i have stated above, but it was like me saying, if i can kick you in your nuts, i can very well knock your teeth out!

Let me make it simple for you; let me ask you a simple question: do you actually think that the indian CIVILIAN power plants should have a better/foolproof security apparatus in place?

You couldn't substantiate and uphold a single assertion. Neither with logic, nor with data.

Well certain problems require common sense to get tackled with, which you obviously lack!

 

[BATMAN]

I have always maintained that Indian nuclear plants and locations are probably in worse shape than even those in the former Soviet republics. All sorts of #2 dramay baazi goes on there and no one has a darn clue. Oh well. Based on the responses above, it seems another raw nerve has been touched and the full backs are out in full swing defending the program and all that is within it.

Is it not a matter of concern for the humans living in and around india?
I don't buy this crap of human sabotage which world wide media is beating loudly.
This is a clear cut case of radiation leak due to poor state of familiaraization with the technology.
This is not the first time that it has happened in india, in past DAE had been dumping radioactive waste in rivers or simply in trash.
Once in Bhopal poisnous gas was released in air resulting in thousands of deaths.
People of Rajhistan were exposed to radiation after pokhran nuclear test.
in Jharkand children are being born with disabilities.
Apart from poor industrial practices a lot more is happening in india's nuclear operations but all stories does not make their way to the press. Simply, because western press will not print it as it may put credibility of western leaders and states at risk.
Imagine if this news makes its way out of india in to popular western or arabic or iranian media than it will seriouslky jepordise the credibility of IAEA and bankey moron.

 

[Xeric]

Ok let me kill this for once and all!

Certain fiends on this threads have been trying hard to make the picture bleaker for others to see, but unfortunately as their arguments hold no water we see them turning over to a troll-like behavior.

A dude (who happens to be a 'loyal' employee of mother india) at a CIVILIAN power plant poisons a water cooler deliberately. Now what we know of is that places like power plants (not necessarily nuclear) are classified as sensitive areas where security is normally high. Places like telephone exchanges, media hubs, water points etc are also included in this category, but NUCLEAR power plants takes a higher slot when it comes to security among the list for the VERY obvious reasons.

We all know that employees at such sensitive areas are enrolled after a great scrutiny and deliberation. Otherwise who stops a Corps Commander from handing over the Ops Plan to the enemy?

i dont know of the indians but atleast ourselves if we even have tp employ a gate keeper at our house, we do carry out some sorta check against the dude to make sure he is trustworthy, now if such a man fcuks up somewhere that means there's something drastically wrong either with my back ground check procedures or that i dont have a supply of 'guud' men available in my town!

My concern is that if in my unit (which is the lowest tier) no one can escape the eye of the adjutant or the RP staff how can someone picks up tritium and shove it up the cooler's azz at a place which has to be under strict vigilance? They say that they cant keep cams over every cooler, well if that is the case, we cant keep a cam over our missile operators, who knows one day they fiddles up with one of them? Moreover, no ones keeping an eye over me when i am here at my home connected to the world and am able to transmit just anything to anyone, now if i do pass over some info, my boss (or apologists for that matter) can also say hey look, i cant look over just every azz, he just did it, as 'he' did the tritium thing!! But then the point it, does the public accepts this excuse?

Security protocols are always pro-active rather then being reactive. Those responsible for security need not to have a cam at every nook and corner of the CIVILIAN power plant but then they ought to know what's cookin in someone's mind!!!

Well atleast i know what my men are thinking today and what would they be talking about when i am going to make them sweat in the training ground! i exactly know who is planning on quitting and who have already packed up the bags. Ofocurse i cant keep a cam at every water cooler that i keep in my unit, but then i know who is going to fcuk around with the damn thing! Failing that means i have screwed up big time!! (And that's what my vomit-inducing friend have been failing to understand)

The dude who poisoned the coolers tells us alot about the mentality of a normal indian! What it tells me is that if a dude who has gone disgruntle can today harm his fellow employees, despite the fact that he was considered to be a loyal, friendly, competent, dedicated and a desh bhagat employee!! What are the odds that tomorrow he is NOT going to harm a larger group of people?

Apologists here on the thread started arguing about the ‘quantity’ of ‘material’ required to conduct a greater sabotage after failing to counter the fact that a rotten apple can play havoc if left unchecked!

Apologists have also been claiming that the ‘material’ accessed was not fissile; yes, this is agreed in totality, but can they assure us that tomorrow no one would go disgruntle among the staff that handles the fissile BS?! What’s the guarantee?

Apologists here have also been arguing that the security protocols at a CIVILIAN nuclear power plant differs A LOT from those that employed at the their sister plants that produce weapons. Well if that is the case I can just feel sorry for the country itself because it seems that the Indians cannot be even trusted to run their own country!!

I wonder if security at the CIVILIAN power plants is as depicted by the ‘disgruntled’ employee, who stops them from shifting just anything to from the CIVILIAN power plant to a nuclear weapon plant without the knowledge of the ‘pious’, liberal, peace-loving, anti-proliferationary Indian govt??!!

Well that’s all from this side, I have already wasted much time and no more wants to puke further!

 

[BATMAN]

how can someone picks up tritium and shove it up the cooler's azz at a place which has to be under strict vigilance?

Dear Xeric i'm not addressing you but i had to say it that only morons can belive that after drinking radioactive water a living being can keep alive!
Al the reported 60 workers were simply exposed to radiation on their work place not at dinner table.
I think i don't need any efforts to have your agreement on the indian press is not trust worth.

 

[qsaark]

India's bad water system is causing stomach diseases then the fear of radiation ab pata nahee aur kiya kiya leak ho ga India mey?

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

Water pollution causes 60 per cent of infant mortality in Pakistan and is now the country’s biggest killer, says World Water Forum Pakistan Development Executive, Caitlin Oliver Malik.

She made her remarks during a lecture on biodiversity at the University of Veterinary and Animal Sciences. Her words were underlined by news from Pakistan's southern province of Sindh that at least six people, two of them children, had died after drinking contaminated water from Lake Hamal, which supplies 15,000 people with their water. More than 100 people attended hospital and 36 people were admitted. An emergency medical camp has been set up.

In May 2004, 27 people, most of them children, died after water from a polluted lake entered the Hyderabad water supply, causing more than 2,000 people to fall ill with gastroenteritis and chronic diarrhoea.

At the Veterinary University, the Vice Chancellor, Prof Dr Manzoor, called for greater awareness of the hazards of pollution. The university is launching a drive to ensure clean water and a pollution free campus.

Source: Pakistan: water pollution named as biggest killer - IRC International Water and Sanitation Centre