India nuclear deal could trigger arms race: US lawmakers

[nitesh]

Yes your point is correct neo, but then what was need to put an unilateral ban on own. I don't think there is need to develop new weapons as nuke is deterrent enough for an aggressor. No need to keep building big ones. Nobody has forgotten nagasaki and hiroshima. But yes, as you said rightly I feel this is going to be a tough call getting clearance from NSG as India wants

 

[Neo]

A modern, effective and high yield nuclear arsenal comprising of A, H and N bombs is a must have for a Super Power, other N5 have it all. India sofar has tested 5 low-midium yield A-bombs and atleast one low yield H-bomb whereas (smaller) H and N-bombs are believed to be more effective and powerful, its on your list and needs to be tested.

A global unilateral ban on nuclear testing, CTBT was imposed in 1996 under severe pressure from environmental groups headed by Japan, New Zealand and Australia and IIRC France and China completed their test series in same year. Further testing will make any country a nuclear pariah.

 

[Neo]

My point is you can keep miniaturising the device to fit in each and every design you develop, it will always be the same device. Unless you collect new data by actually testing new designs you won't succeed in modernising your nuclear arsenal.

 

[nitesh]

But I don't think India will resume testing in any way or else the unilateral ban should not have come in to picture. But any way if the deal does not go through the NSG meet then ok let's move on. If it's get cleared good only.

 

[jaison]

i dont think india will conduct a test if it does then it may be in response to china or pak and the international community can unerstand that and the us president has the power to continue to supply india or even russia or france can supply us,this will be in the near future after that we will hav our own strategic reserve or even thorium(which india has in abundance) reactors may be functioning largely.

 

[Neo]

Why don't you sign the CTBT?

 

[jaison]

Why don't you sign the CTBT?

it will have serious implications on the security and the psychology of the people.........i mean your neighbor tests one and u dont then the people might panic and may accuse the gov of not giving a strong response.

 

[Neo]

All N5, including China are signatories of CTBT so India's main concern is only Pakistan.
We're willing to sign both NPT aswell as the CTBT as our nuclear doctrine is India specific.

 

[jaison]

All N5, including China are signatories of CTBT so India's main concern is only Pakistan.
We're willing to sign both NPT aswell as the CTBT as our nuclear doctrine is India specific.

honestly wats the use for the international community when GOP has done enough with north korea in exchange of nodong tech.

 

[Neo]

honestly wats the use for the international community when GOP has done enough with north korea in exchange of nodong tech.

We've done what what right from our point of view, we're not a member of NPT and therefor free to trade with anyone willing to trade.
The world may consider us a (horizontal) nuclear proliferator but who isn't? Even India is a (vertical) proliferator.

 

[jaison]

We've done what what right from our point of view, we're not a member of NPT and therefor free to trade with anyone willing to trade.
The world may consider us a (horizontal) nuclear proliferator but who isn't? Even India is a (vertical) proliferator.

true but a responsible country has to care abt the welfare of the world and a responsible country always gets wat it deserves.

 

[Neo]

true but a responsible country has to care abt the welfare of the world and a responsible country always gets wat it deserves.

Please don't lecture me about responsibility, India brought nukes to the region and all we're doing is keeping up with the potential threat.

If the N5 or India are concerned about the 'welfare of the world' let them eliminate nuclear their aresenal, I'm sure we'll follow suit and abandon our military programme as a responsible nation.

 

[jaison]

Please don't lecture me about responsibility, India brought nukes to the region and all we're doing is keeping up with the potential threat.

If the N5 or India are concerned about the 'welfare of the world' let them eliminate nuclear their aresenal, I'm sure we'll follow suit and abandon our military programme as a responsible nation.

it was not india it was china which brought nukes to the region and after the 1962 suspicion among the indians abt chinese intentions grew so we thought that we must be prepared for the future so it tested nukes and this pushed pak to do the same so who should we be complaining abt.......post 1962 nehru made a mistake by assuming them to be friends by signing agreements only to be violated a few years later,when they were setting up infrastructure we dint think that the worst was going to come but we wont do the same mistake ....... it was the 1962 incident followed by 1965 which took advantage of weakend indian army ,led to expansion of the indian armed forces which was evident during in 1971........and am not lecturing anyone i just said the universal truth and i repeat u will get things in the international community only if u deserve it after all countries are not stupid to give anyone anything.

 

[Energon]

Actually I'm not exactly sure why this argument always boils down to nuclear arsenal when that isn't the real motivator here in the first place.

Let's be honest, this "deal" is being offered to India now only because there are massive potential economic gains for the west, particularly the USA. If India hadn't been performing well economically for almost two decades no such offer would have ever surfaced. Similarly, India's first and foremost desire is energy, something their foreign policy has otherwise been unable procure effectively so far, resulting in a bottleneck for their burgeoning but otherwise burly industrial complex.
With a greater energy availability the Indian industries are bound to stupendously increase their productivity, further bolstering the rising middle class consumer culture... all of which of course will be a bonanza for the west.

This is one of the reason I find the the indignant displays over biased treatment by Pakistan propelling the "we want one too" demands vacuous. For a number of complex reasons, in the regards to stability and economic development, Pakistan and India haven't been alike, and the world at large is well aware of this. Subsequently this isn't an issue of treating a Muslim nation unfairly as it is making an investment for the maximum gains. Granted Pakistan's instability and proliferation records don't help the matter, but at the end of the day, breaching protocol and availing nuclear energy to Pakistan hasn't nearly as much economic benefit as it is for India at this point in time.

 

[Contrarian]

The N-5 enjoy special priveleges under the CTBT as well AFAIK. To India that in unacceptable. India would not accept ideologically the superiority of any country over itself. And if China gets some priveleges, India must get them too, or there is no question of signing the CTBT.

This nuke deal is also a case in point. We did not sign the NPT, what we are signing or might sign in the future is also nearly the same. Nearly because we have to be realistic. And Nearly because while China can move its reactors from in and out of safeguards like other N-5 nations, we cannot do that, but unlike other NPT signatories, we can deem any reactor military or civilian. And military reactors are out of any purview.