India not in a Position to Punish Pakistan : Ajay Shukla NDTV Debate

[M. Sarmad]

India always blames Pakistan for unprovoked ceasefire violations

But then it's India that refuses to allow a neutral mechanism to investigate such charges

And the Indian Awam still believes that Pakistan is the aggressor on LoC .. Why are the Indians super gullible ??

It's because fear sells. It's because war is sport. And it's also very good business

 

[Areesh]

India always blames Pakistan for unprovoked ceasefire violations

But then it's India that refuses to allow a neutral mechanism to investigate such charges

And the Indian Awam still believes that Pakistan is the aggressor on LoC .. Why are the Indians super gullible ??

It's because fear sells. It's because war is sport. And it's also very good business

And then when Pakistan tries to deescalate situation like Pak FM writes letter to India about these incidents then India arrogantly responses to his letter and refuses to show any intention towards normalizing situation.

And then when Indian soldiers die they whine and moan on TV channels.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Stop the drama. Pakistan wants land and cares less about the people occupying it. If you are so concerned, please take them into your own country or convert the LOC into the IB and let people wanting to be with Pakistan in.
We are ok with both. Do something for the dying Kashmiris, let them find azadi in azad kashmir.

exactly .... we want all of the Kashmiris to see Azadi and all of the Kashmir to be Azad..

 

[Hassan Guy]

"we must escalate the conflict vertically and horizontally"

how do you escalate something that's horizontal yo?

 

[Fledgingwings]

Tit for Tat.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

We know they can't. All indians can do is talk big, nothing more. The largest attack india can mount against Pakistan is through trolling by indians on PDF. Nothing more. That's the reality.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

India always blames Pakistan for unprovoked ceasefire violations

But then it's India that refuses to allow a neutral mechanism to investigate such charges

And the Indian Awam still believes that Pakistan is the aggressor on LoC .. Why are the Indians super gullible ??

It's because fear sells. It's because war is sport. And it's also very good business

Sir can you direct me to the thread where you mentioned Kashmir's case in reply to Indian member? In your that comment U talked about dixen owen, a foreigner blaming India for violence on LOC/kashmir...

I wanted to learn our point of view and how to counter India's ones.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sir can you direct me to the thread where you mentioned Kashmir's case in reply to Indian member? In your that comment U talked about dixen owen, a foreigner blaming India for violence on LOC/kashmir...

I wanted to learn our point of view and how to counter India's ones.

Sir Owen Dixon, the UN appointed official mediator, blamed India for halting the demilitarization process in J&K


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/modi-spoke-indias-mind-over-cpec.445218/page-3#post-8597669

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/free...ndon-and-brussels.541083/page-8#post-10206131

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/auto...cipe-for-disaster.440287/page-10#post-8504217

 

[Areesh]

Sir Owen Dixon, the UN appointed official mediator, blamed India for halting the demilitarization process in J&K


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/modi-spoke-indias-mind-over-cpec.445218/page-3#post-8597669

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/free...ndon-and-brussels.541083/page-8#post-10206131

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/auto...cipe-for-disaster.440287/page-10#post-8504217

Great work bro.

Saving these links too. Do share more about famous Indian lies on UN resolutions like Pakistan is in the way of implementing UN resolutions since it is not removing its forces from AJK.

@PaklovesTurkiye Do read these posts by @HRK too about another famous Indian lie on Kashmir

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/roof-of-the-world-rebels-against-pakistan.322219/page-16#post-5878169

 

[M. Sarmad]

Great work bro.

Saving these links too. Do share more about famous Indian lies on UN resolutions like Pakistan is in the way of implementing UN resolutions since it is not removing its forces from AJK.

@PaklovesTurkiye

1) As the first step, India had to agree with the UN commission on a demilitarization plan. Then the commission was to notify Pakistan about the plan and Pakistan had to begin withdrawing its troops. But as India didn't accept any plan proposed by the Commission, the Commission never notified Pakistan. Pakistan had made it clear to the Commission that it was (and still is) ready to begin withdrawing its forces as soon as the Commission notified it


2) The obligation of Pakistan to withdraw its troops from the state of Jammu and Kashmir does not devolve until both sides conclude a truce agreement to govern the withdrawal of not only Pakistan forces but also the bulk of the Indian armed forces from the state


3) No Truce Agreement could be concluded as India refused to accept any demilitarization plan proposed by the UN. As pointed out by the UN appointed official mediator Sir Owen Dixon, India was not willing to accept any demilitarization plan that would allow the UN to conduct a free and fair plebiscite. India rejected 11 demiltarization plans. Pakistan went a step further and told the UN that it was ready to withdraw its troops from Kashmir in favour of UN troops regardless of Indian reaction to such a proposal



And if someone still believes that Pakistan is to be blamed for halting the process, he is either delusional or is being dishonest and trying to mislead others.

 

[coffee_cup]

Funny how these Indians who otherwise use everything "Hindu" in their programs have suddenly started to call their dead "Shaheed".

Copycats!! Nothing in India is original, from its name to its culture to its heritage... almost everything stolen from Pakistan.

 

[YeBeWarned]

let me be the Devils Advocate here and show some hard realities to the Ignorant Gen sitting on panel , NO you can not control the escalation , if you are the aggressor than it will be in our hands where we want it to stop , second .. NO you can not assure anything , Your army is big but we have better trained Officers and we have all sort of Fire Power to give you a bloody nose , For reference just look what we did with those 4 Officers .
Third , NO India does not have Capability to go on Quick Response Attack because of our Intelligence setup , We will know days before you Army will reach the front line and we can through a party for their welcome .
Fourth , NO don't live in this fool's paradise that you know everything about our Nuclear Threshold , Even USA cant claim such a thing . and Last Point , NO Don't take our Nuclear Threats lightly if it comes to our National Security we will make sure that every weapon or system is in our disposal .

 

[undercover JIX]

Funny how these Indians who otherwise use everything "Hindu" in their programs have suddenly started to call their dead "Shaheed".

Copycats!! Nothing in India is original, from its name to its culture to its heritage... almost everything stolen from Pakistan.

some time ago Indians were yapping here that in Hinduism there is no concept of Shaheed or anything similar.

 

[MBT 3000]

For India this border clash is turning into ego and political situation and they cannot see the actual problem. For Indians this is all about body count nothing more. What they forget is that they violate cease fire and attack Pakistani civilians and they get retaliation in return.



Yes bro a monkey can do better.

monkeys like modi are an exception

 

[Av8er]

We should do something about Ajai Shukla. He is a rare sane voice in India and such kind of sane voices shouldn't exist in India.

I agree, he was the only one who sounded sane and could articulate the problem effectively.