India Needs a Million Mother Teresas; Celebrating Her Sainthood Isn't Enough

[Sky lord]

White people are good at telling their story.

 

[el che]

Lol. Don't be so intolerant.



There is nothing cool about celebrating torturing and crucifixion of a man.



Lol. Christian Bigot alert.



More christian bigotry from the children of mother teresa. Nice.



Probably because I am not a bigot like you.



Sorry. Cant help u. Dont share ur philosophy either. Teresa was an unethical evangilist and ur fanatic rant does not change that.

Worse is to see the christians and the church use her for propoganda.

Christmas is celebration of birth of Christ and not his crucifixion. That is good Friday. You are yet to answer why Mother Teresa is "unethical" and "immoral". You are not a bigot but is a wise hindu who is concerned of religious conversion but not of the reason why those conversion have taken place. Christianity is spreading not at sword's point. India is a secular country and people have the choice of religion. why are you so concerned?

Why was mother Teresa necessary? Why the Hindu organizations did not extend the help that was necessary. Before calling mother Teresa names. You should introspect why Hindus have managed to create slaves within their own religion and why the oppression and nonchalance have destroyed the society and paved the way for vote bank politics and reservation which is burning the country. Perhaps you should try to find out why untouchables should not embrace a religion which gives them equality and respect.

Fortunately mother Teresa came to Kolkata else she might have ended up like Graham Staines who was burnt alive with his children by Bajrang Dal. Please refrain from saying names like "bigot" when you don't have answers. Using these adjectives doesn't change the facts.

 

[Nilgiri]

We need a million less Mother Teresa's is more close to the truth.

I admire some of what she did on personal level (and some is worthy of top tier admiration)....but overall she was a big net negative I am afraid to say.

I still remember the day and moment I learned the real truth about this Mother and have never looked back.

 

[Sky lord]

We need a million less Mother Teresa's is more close to the truth.

I admire some of what she did on personal level (and some is worthy of top tier admiration)....but overall she was a big net negative I am afraid to say.

I still remember the day and moment I learned the real truth about this Mother and have never looked back.

I don't know what this " truth" is....but as a teenager I did volunteer for a few weeks at a missionaries of charity home. It was extremelty difficult work and they do provide a home to those who have nowhere else to go. the stories I heard from the inmates were truly horrendous! It makes you lose faith in humanity.

I do feel that mother Teresa is selectively eulogized because she is white. I personally know many people who have devoted their life to various deserving causes without ever getting any recognition at all.

What India needs is superior governance not more charitable workers. "Teach to fish" not "give a fish"

 

[el che]

I don't know what this " truth" is....but as a teenager I did volunteer for a few weeks at a missionaries of charity home. It was extremelty difficult work and they do provide a home to those who have nowhere else to go. the stories I heard from the inmates were truly horrendous! It makes you lose faith in humanity.

I do feel that mother Teresa is selectively eulogized because she is white. I personally know many people who have devoted their life to various deserving causes without ever getting any recognition at all.

What India needs is superior governance not more charitable workers. "Teach to fish" not "give a fish"

Are the stories of baptizing the dying people true?

 

[Sky lord]

Are the stories of baptizing the dying people true?

I did not work with the dying...so cannot say....there were people who were seriously ill though...physically and mentally...people picking at their own boils with a hair comb......a child so twisted as to be barely human and disowned by the parents....again you have to appreciate what these people do..the only criticism I have is that they need to provide more intensive medical care than they do. They had a doctor and a pschyatrist who visited once a week. ...but not enough. I almost feel disloyal saying this but I think if they wanted to they could get the best doctors to volunteer time daily...I feel people would be willing to donate their time ..it is more of a philosophy that is stopping them....said enough.....when I asked them what they needed...it was mostly clothes for inmates etc...never asked for medicines.

 

[Soumitra]

How would the media be covering Mother Teresa's canonisation if she wasn't Catholic?
The head cleric of a shadowy global order confirmed that a missionary had cured people of diseases even after her death.

Image credit: Stefano Rellandini/Reuters


The head cleric of a global religious order, whose followers believe him to be an infallible representative of their god, will on Sunday officially confirm that the late Macedonian-born missionary known by the name of Mother Teresa has successfully seen their deity “face to face”. The cleric, Pope Francis, will officially give Teresa the label of "saint" at a ceremony attended by leaders of diverse nations as well as tens of thousands of members of the ancient order in an event at a tiny theocratic city-state nestled in the heart of Western Europe.

The event is the culmination of a shadowy process that usually takes decades whereby senior members of the sect, known as Roman Catholics, sought to establish that Teresa had entered heaven – a confusing state of existence after death often depicted as paradise but described as a "relationship" with the trio of deities who make up the group's god. While the clerical order has sometimes taken centuries to bestow sainthood on members, the process was speeded up for Teresa, who became famous in her lifetime for running a charitable religious organisation that cared for the sick in the city that was then called Calcutta.

Though she was accused by rationalists of fetishising death and supporting an Indian dictator, Teresa gained international renown for her work at the Missionaries of Charity and was frequently seen in the company of heads of states from around the world. In 1979, Teresa was anointed the winner of a major "peace" prize instituted by the estate of a Swedish arms manufacturer. She used the prize-winning speech to further her religious order’s war against modern science, calling abortion “the worst evil and the greatest enemy of peace”.

Teresa died in 1997. Although the path to becoming a saint – which over the centuries has been plagued with corruption and questionable motives – can normally begin only five years after death, the Roman Catholic Church accelerated the process for Teresa, initiating it in 1999.

The procedure that follows offers a fascinating glimpse of the arcane beliefs that govern this religious order.

Members of the church first had to “investigate” the virtues of Teresa, to affirm that she did indeed adhere to the centuries of complex rules that govern the followers of this religion. Then, once declared a "Servant of God", Teresa’s heroic deeds prompted the church to declare her "Venerable" – after which followers are expected to pray to her for miracles.

The Pope must be able to conclude that the person has indeed seen god face to face, proof of her “beatific vision”, meaning that she can talk directly to the deity and intervene in our world even after death. In Teresa’s case, the head cleric claimed that she had cured a woman of cancer from beyond the grave – even though the woman’s husband and doctors said medicines were responsible. The Pope also said a Brazilian man’s brain tumours were cured by the dead Teresa.

In addition to confirming her presence in heaven, sainthood also means any member of the religious order may commemorate Teresa byarranging a large lunch and prayer or by buying one of the 1.5 million postage stamps released on Friday in her honour.

 

[VivasvatManu]

Christmas is celebration of birth of Christ and not his crucifixion. That is good Friday. You are yet to answer why Mother Teresa is "unethical" and "immoral". You are not a bigot but is a wise hindu who is concerned of religious conversion but not of the reason why those conversion have taken place. Christianity is spreading not at sword's point. India is a secular country and people have the choice of religion. why are you so concerned?

If you are going to nit pick then the real reason for a celebration on 25 December, then know its because its the birthday of Mitra, the god of light, celebrated for more than 4000 years.

The christian appropriation of this is just another example of the fraud the church has furnished on the world.

The immoral and unethical behaviour of teresa is well documented and you can watch the video in this same thread for a small sample of the reality.

Finally christianity is certainly spreading at the point of a gun and with unethical propaganda and with the use of Money. For all ethical consideration it is no different from spreading on the point of the sword.

Why was mother Teresa necessary? Why the Hindu organizations did not extend the help that was necessary. Before calling mother Teresa names. You should introspect why Hindus have managed to create slaves within their own religion and why the oppression and nonchalance have destroyed the society and paved the way for vote bank politics and reservation which is burning the country. Perhaps you should try to find out why untouchables should not embrace a religion which gives them equality and respect.

She was NOT necessary at all. Its hilarious that you would think so. There are plenty of Hindu organisations that do more without the need for advertising it or exploiting human misery for brand promotion and personal glory.

Christianity is the largest Slave making, slave owning, slave creating, slave exploiting and slave built civilization in the history of mankind. Its Nauseating that you now have the audacity to preach to Hindus about "slavery"

Hinduism is the ONLY civilisation in the world which did not have Slaves or Slavery.

Your Bigotry and loathing is on full display but I expect nothing less from a christian. A Grim reminder for the rest of the hindus about the Real Face behind "mother" teresa. The real dangers of Christianity and its foul children.

Fortunately mother Teresa came to Kolkata else she might have ended up like Graham Staines who was burnt alive with his children by Bajrang Dal. Please refrain from saying names like "bigot" when you don't have answers. Using these adjectives doesn't change the facts.

I am glad Staines was killed or he would have given birth to more Bigots like you and destroyed Indian civilisation even further. Not the best of justice, but in this christian dominated world, its the best we could do. I can live with that.

Finally I do not wish to debate with a Bigot because its a waste of time. Like wrestling with a pig, it only brings joy to the pig. So do not bother to reply.

 

[ranjeet]

Missionaries urge Punjab govt to name a road after St Teresa
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...road-after-St-Teresa/articleshow/54009436.cms

St Teresa coming soon ....

 

[footmarks]

She was at best a christian version of nirmal baba. And this whole exercise of sainthood is so regressive and prehistoric

 

[911]

Why was mother Teresa necessary? Why the Hindu organizations did not extend the help that was necessary. Before calling mother Teresa names.

Before questioning a certain community tell us what you did for the poor? What the governments did for the poors all these years after independence? Christian groups are aided by foreign funds, they help poor, its very good, but they do it as a Christian not as a human.

Before you come up with that so what if they promote Christianity atleast they are helping poor, you must know that those same nations which fund them will never help our country if it was not for Christianity. Unlike them we cannot afford them to just give away money, because giving poor money is not the permanent solution, they need to come in the economical cycle. And if they really really want to help India, then why don't they help our farmers by providing them biotech to produce crops more efficiently? The reason is trade, they donate the fraction of the same money they gain by trading.

You should introspect why Hindus have managed to create slaves within their own religion and why the oppression and nonchalance have destroyed the society and paved the way for vote bank politics and reservation which is burning the country. Perhaps you should try to find out why untouchables should not embrace a religion which gives them equality and respect.

There was never any slavery in Indian history. Please provide some links if you have. However, going back in history again and again to point fingures at certain group is not the solution. What matters is what we do now. Awareness with economic well being changes everything so our focus should be that.

As for reservations, only the 10% so called upper caste of this country worried about it, and the most who gain by it are the so called backward caste people who are rich. And they are the same people who will never let go reservations, they will even make sure people from their own community stay poor so they can benefit from the reservations the most. Reservation is here to stay forever and it enables the 90% of the population to stay majority in the demographics ideally. Be more afraid of the consequences of the poison of taughting oppression by 10% so called upper caste on the 90% so called lower caste when finally 90% will come into power because i don't think they will give those 10% the chance to even survive. This country needs vision, about where we are headed and where actually we want our country to move as we progress.

Btw how many people you think in India know about Christianity preacher Mother Teresa and how many know about Humanist Baba Amte?

 

[VivasvatManu]

Before questioning a certain community tell us what you did for the poor? What the governments did for the poors all these years after independence? Christian groups are aided by foreign funds, they help poor, its very good, but they do it as a Christian not as a human.

Before you come up with that so what if they promote Christianity atleast they are helping poor, you must know that those same nations which fund them will never help our country if it was not for Christianity. Unlike them we cannot afford them to just give away money, because giving poor money is not the permanent solution, they need to come in the economical cycle. And if they really really want to help India, then why don't they help our farmers by providing them biotech to produce crops more efficiently? The reason is trade, they donate the fraction of the same money they gain by trading.

You forget its the evils of the british christian empire that reduced India to destitution.

After Independence the vast majority of the christian nations denied us Nukes, technlology, oil or trade and kept us out of the world order for daring to defy and challenge the christian western wrorld order.

India was embargoed and kept poor for the "sins" of wanting to control our own destinty. In midst of all this atrocity comes the hypocrisy of a 'st' teresa and her "charity".

This is made worse by a section of Indian christians cheering for the west and urging Indians to recognise the western christian 'good will'. Its not enough that they have plumed to the depths of dignity, they now insist that we follow them there so that we can be continued to be labelled 'secular'.

Otherwise they always have the sword of Humiliation kept ready at the Hindu neck. ........ a reminder of "sati, caste, and other barbaric "hindu" practices.

 

[A_Poster]

Christianity is spreading not at sword's point.

Globally, Death toll of Christianity far exceeds that of Islam. Its conquistadors denuded one whole continent of its native population, and even in Europe, it spread mostly by Sword. I mean just google "persecution of Pagans in late Roman Empire". Even Wikipedia link is pretty good one. In India, Christianity spread by sword in Goa, and in Kerala, real Christians converted Indianized Christians to proper Christianity (In 1599, Alexio de Menezes forcefully converted Saint Thomas Christians/Nasranis of Kerala to Catholic Church: Benton, Lauren. Law and Colonial Cultures: Legal Regimes in World History, 1400–1900 (Cambridge, 2002), p. 122 ) .Christian terrorist groups like Lords resistance army, NLFT, and NSCN are still using plain old violence to bring light to Jesus to heathens and saracen.


Christianity ,for most of its history, has been an unending orgy of violence and hatred. If they were not fighting Crusades against Muslims, they did so against Pagan; if that was not possible (after last European Pagans in Lithuania died off in 1400s), they were killing each other to prove which Christian sect is better. Christianity has been IS on steroids for most of its history. It has taken this facade of "peace" because its power base in Europe collapsed as people moved away from it, and it could not win by force of arms, though it still is loyal to theology of violence which express itself in a sustained campaign of slander and conversion by coin.

Only place on this whole planet where Christianity spread without Sword (force, not exclusively violence) is Ethiopia.

Islam is actually stupider version of Christianity. While Christians had a good sense of not using Sword when they had no chance of winning with Sword ,after their power base collapsed; Muslims are too stupid to understand that people whom with they are seeking war could obliterate their religion in 15 minutes tops. They have no sense when to retreat.

India is a secular country and people have the choice of religion. why are you so concerned?

Because all religions are tied to ethnicity and race. Some weaklings are too stupid to understand this simple fact and would thank their massas for providing them with water when they piss on their face.

Pakistanis and Bangladeshis ,irrespective of how pious Muslims they are, would always be second class mussali converts. Arabs clerics openly call them "their dogs and lowly cowards with unhonourable souls who were overwhelmed with ease by sword of Allah: Mohd. Al Arifi (Saudi cleric)". They ,for all practical purpose, are cultural and psychological slaves of Arabs. If Saudi Arabia wants ,millions of subcontinental Muslims will (and have in past) rebel against their own government. They would worship an Arab god (Hubal), would regard an Arab man as their prophet, and would bow down towards Mecca, even if Arabs are killing their very family. This is zenith of subservience.Iranians/Persians know this very well, and this is the reason why they have practically formed their own Islam (those who have not already gone athesist) so as not to be culturally and mentally dominated by Arabs.


Catholic Church of today is just a reincarnation of Roman empire and Baptist church is an arm of American imperialism, and even after changing demographics, they are tied to "white race" culturally. Most of Black, Hispanic, and South Asian converts have an unshakable inferiority complex (wannabee white complex) and are easy to manipulate to commit treason for sake of Christian countries, if not outright willing to do so. This is the reason why US gov is so invested in promoting Christianity. By promoting Christianity, it turn people into zombies, who are easy to controlled by US gov. If some fools think that racism has gone away, they should reaction of Europe to migration crisis. While there were many good reasons for not letting in migrants, the xenophobic reaction that Europe has towards this crisis, and rise of right across Europe and USA is a testament to how deeply racism is ingrained in western society.

Actually I want rise of right wing in Europe and USA ,because while it would not harm me much, but it would destroy all those "Brown Sahib" intellectuals like "Ashok Swain" from Uppsalla university who wrote this crap. WN would turn them into dhobi ka kutta, and would destroy west's client-patron relationship with "intellectuals-code word for leechers".

Why was mother Teresa necessary? Why the Hindu organizations did not extend the help that was necessary.

And what help could have been extended to them?

Either they need to be in an hospital, in which case Teresa is guilty of culpable homicide for denying them medicines. OR they were so beyond help that most human thing would have been to euthanize them, and if you are not doing it, at least provide them with painkillers.

So question arise: What could Hindu organizations have done for them? Hindus do not believe in forever "damned souls" who need to be saved by conversion on deathbed; and I do not think that any Hindu organization celebrates pain or consider it a medium of getting close to god so that they would be cynical enough to deny medicines and painkillers to their "patients".

Actually, If any Hindu organization extend "help" like Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu , I would be ashamed of Hinduism.

Before calling mother Teresa names. You should introspect why Hindus have managed to create slaves within their own religion and why the oppression and nonchalance have destroyed the society and paved the way for vote bank politics and reservation which is burning the country. Perhaps you should try to find out why untouchables should not embrace a religion which gives them equality and respect.

Do you even know what slavery means?

Let quote that for you:

Slavery (Collins dictionary):

1. the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work
3. the condition of being subject to some influence or habit
4. work done in harsh conditions for low pay

So tell me, how were untouchables were in a civil relationship whereby anyone else had absolute power over them and controlled their life, liberty, and fortune.

Did anyone had absolute power over them, I mean kill them like they did in Christian countries? NO.
Did anyone take way spoils of their labour? NO.
Could anyone have a way with their wife as a matter of right?NO.


When untouchables did not satisfy any pre-condition of being a slave, how could they classed as slaves? They were left alone for most part and people did not socialized and married with them. Is this what passes as slavery in Christian circles? Or are you saying that untouchable not being allowed to marry "upper casts" converted them into slaves? Are you insinuating that they have bad genes?!

I have long maintained that crypto-Christians/inferiority complex ridden dalits, if they are unsatisfied with Hinduism, should convert to Christianity in open. There is something fundamentally venal when some dalit convert to Christianity and still uses their Hindu name to attack Hinduism from within, but then Christianity has never been famous for its high morals.

 

[footmarks]

All the time they spread false propaganda against anything and everything related to hinduism. Sati, caste, snake charmers, slumdog millionaire, black magic, pagan rituals, shiva linga and what not. While preaching their god is the most compassionate one, who died for us. Whose son was born of a virgin (Whoa!), who created man and woman and that apple. there is a consistently running and well scripted (and very well funded) sotryline, relying on poverty and sufferings to convert people to their faith. And their own religious history is filled with bloodshed, oppression, wars in the name of crusades, slavery, pagan rituals like choosing a new pope, exorcism....and many such things still remain.

I am not against any religion, I am against belittling any other's faith to propagate your own.

 

[GuardianRED]

If you are going to nit pick then the real reason for a celebration on 25 December, then know its because its the birthday of Mitra, the god of light, celebrated for more than 4000 years.

The christian appropriation of this is just another example of the fraud the church has furnished on the world.

The immoral and unethical behaviour of teresa is well documented and you can watch the video in this same thread for a small sample of the reality.

Finally christianity is certainly spreading at the point of a gun and with unethical propaganda and with the use of Money. For all ethical consideration it is no different from spreading on the point of the sword.




She was NOT necessary at all. Its hilarious that you would think so. There are plenty of Hindu organisations that do more without the need for advertising it or exploiting human misery for brand promotion and personal glory.

Christianity is the largest Slave making, slave owning, slave creating, slave exploiting and slave built civilization in the history of mankind. Its Nauseating that you now have the audacity to preach to Hindus about "slavery"

Hinduism is the ONLY civilisation in the world which did not have Slaves or Slavery.

Your Bigotry and loathing is on full display but I expect nothing less from a christian. A Grim reminder for the rest of the hindus about the Real Face behind "mother" teresa. The real dangers of Christianity and its foul children.



I am glad Staines was killed or he would have given birth to more Bigots like you and destroyed Indian civilisation even further. Not the best of justice, but in this christian dominated world, its the best we could do. I can live with that.

Finally I do not wish to debate with a Bigot because its a waste of time. Like wrestling with a pig, it only brings joy to the pig. So do not bother to reply.

The MOST Dumbest reply i have read ! Thanks for the Laughs!

All the time they spread false propaganda against anything and everything related to hinduism. Sati, caste, snake charmers, slumdog millionaire, black magic, pagan rituals, shiva linga and what not. While preaching their god is the most compassionate one, who died for us. Whose son was born of a virgin (Whoa!), who created man and woman and that apple. there is a consistently running and well scripted (and very well funded) sotryline, relying on poverty and sufferings to convert people to their faith. And their own religious history is filled with bloodshed, oppression, wars in the name of crusades, slavery, pagan rituals like choosing a new pope, exorcism....and many such things still remain.

I am not against any religion, I am against belittling any other's faith to propagate your own.

Here another one !