India - National Integration: The Way Forward

[Nemesis]

Not that i'm a fan of religion, any religion, but anti conversion laws are anti democratic. If Missionaries want to come to India and preach, they can. Not quite sure what the problem is. To practice and preach your religion is a right enshrined in the constitution.

In large swathe of the Indian tribal belt of Chattishgarh, Jharkand,parts of Odissa and Bengal , which used to be pristine jungle and still is to a large extent , there have been no problem of feudalism and exploitation of peasants by landlords ever as these are forest land not exactly suitable for agriculture.

Ridiculous. One of the reasons why the tribal population has the worst social indicators is because of feudal exploitation by landlords and caste discrimination.

One question to you, so what do you think about the rapidly increasing Christian population in the tribal districts of India.

Umm, who cares? They are changing their religion, not their nationality. Its really none of your business.

RSS may be communal even fascist ,but they are patriots,

Wrong. Their ideology is completely antithetical to the values enshrined in our constitution. Making them traitors who have no place in modern India.

they love this country

If they truly loved this country, they wouldnt be spewing hate propaganda against 20% of its citizens. The RSS hates India, that is why they want to turn it into a "Hindu Rashtra"

and its culture ,religion and its age old civilization

If the RSS really understood India, they would know that the assimilation of different religions is one of our strengths.

while
Commies(Indian variety) are the biggest traitors.

Okay. Point being? Are you calling me a communist? Where have i said so?

want me to elaborate on role played by Indian communists during British rule ,at the time partition

Say what? The communists have always being against imperialism, to suggest that they would work with British imperialists is ludicrous.

It was "veer" Savarkar who supported the British raj after "seeing the glory of the British ways" in prison. By the way, it was the RSS attacks on minorities during partition which fed the impression among muslims that the two nation theory was desirable.

Since your so infatuated with the RSS, let me provide you with a few snippets of what Sardar Patel ( Considered by the BJP to be above reproach) said about the RSS -

“As a final result of the poison, the country had to suffer the sacrifice of the invaluable life of Gandhiji. Even an iota of the sympathy of the Government or of the people no more remained for the RSS. In fact, opposition grew. Opposition turned more severe when the RSS men expressed joy and distributed sweets after Gandhiji's death"

Source - Basic instinct

Real patriots, celebrating the death of the Father of the nation. Of course, its no surprise, after all, one of their comrades was responsible for Gandhi's death.

Is there an Islamic organization in India which actually replicates the humanitarian aspect of RSS?

Irrelevant. The LET terrorist network was one of the first to provide aid to survivors of the Earthquake in Pakistani Kashmir, doesn't make them less terrorists.

Yes, this same coward inspired likes of Subhash chandra bose, Bhagat Singh, and Madan Lal Dhingra who themselves held him as their guru. Go, study some history.

hahahaha. Bhagat singh was inspired by Savarkar? You just lost whatever little credibility you had. Bhagat Singh was influenced by Communist and Socialist principles. He was what you would call a "commie". Perhaps you should read some history. I already have.

 

[Raghu]

Not that i'm a fan of religion, any religion, but anti conversion laws are anti democratic. If Missionaries want to come to India and preach, they can. Not quite sure what the problem is. To practice and preach your religion is a right enshrined in the constitution.


Ridiculous. One of the reasons why the tribal population has the worst social indicators is because of feudal exploitation by landlords and caste discrimination.

Umm, who cares? They are changing their religion, not their nationality. Its really none of your business.

If u can i advise u must come down to Kandhmaal,Odisa where riots had broken out between the Pana caste(SCs) and Kandha tribals(STs) to count the number of big feudal and landlords owning thousands of acres of tiger infested forest lands and exploiting tribals people as they smoke from their Hookah pipes ,before making lofty meaningless BS sitting in front of a computer in New Delhi next time round.

They are changing their religion, not their nationality. Its really none of your business

Again it may be true in a metro city of New Dehil,but in Khadamaal ,things gets very tricky.

If some tribal changes his religion and converts to Christianity for any reason his rest of his family also face the consequence of it without being converted at all and the convert may get lavish assistance from the church ,but other family members are shunned by the non Christian tribals to the extent a gal from the family can't marry tribal villager for being suspected of closet Christian.

 

[Nemesis]

If u can i advise u must come down to Kandhmaal,Odisa where riots had broken out between the Pana caste(SCs) and Kandha tribals(STs) to count the number of big feudal and landlords owning thousands of acres of tiger infested forest lands and exploiting tribals people as they smoke from their Hookah pipes ,before making lofty meaningless BS sitting in front of a computer in New Delhi next time round.

I don't need to go to Kandhamal to be aware of situations.

If some tribal changes his religion and converts to Christianity for any reason his rest of his family also face the consequence of it without being converted at all and the convert may get lavish assistance from the church ,but other family members are shunned by the non Christian tribals to the extent a gal from the family can't marry tribal villager for being suspected of closet Christian.

So if illiterate people are bigoted, conversion is bad? Incompetent reasoning.

 

[Novice09]

I was just pointing that you should try looking at things from the point of view of the Minority as well. Hope that is not too much to ask for.

Anyways, i wouldn't refute your next argument as this thread is turning into a religious confrontation. Hope you can understand.

@Jungle

This is the issue; when you talk in favor of minorities, you are secular. When you talk in favor of Hindus, it becomes religious, communal etc...

 

[Novice09]

I don't need to go to Kandhamal to be aware of situations.

So if illiterate people are bigoted, conversion is bad? Incompetent reasoning.

Dear Nemesis, Do you know that several people change their religion to get benefits such as reservation and multiple marriages...

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/S...y+CM+adopts+Islam+to+marry+twice,+sacked.html

 

[afriend]

Yes, BJP-Shiv Sena are the most communal/divisive parties in India because...

1. Majority of States rules by BJP are highly progressive.
2. They want to remove article 370.
3. They want Uniform Civil Code for all Indians
4. Because they care for the majority instead of lying down into the feet of so called minority.
5. Because they want to foil the attempts made by missionaries/clerics to convert Hindus' religion.
6. They want to through out Bangladesis from India

What is your point of view on our PM belief that Muslims have first right on all resourse?

I do know that BJP did failed to fulfill thier major promises; that is the reason they are out of power...




For bold part:
You will eat your words in 16th Lok Sabha elections.




I seriously belive that you are Congress' AAM AADMI who is living a lavish life because of inflation... hehehe




Really like your thought... but for me
1. Nation
2. Religion

If you really know your religion, you will never harm humanity...

Jai Hind

IMO BJP is the best nationalist party unlike congress. Congress always play divisive politcs be it reservation for minorities or caste census... they always look for vote bank. But BJP's policies some hard hitting is always looking to integrate entire india. But unfortunately certain incidents in the past have really slowed down their growth. But i hope they become more moderate.

 

[Novice09]

IMO BJP is the best nationalist party unlike congress. Congress always play divisive politcs be it reservation for minorities or caste census... they always look for vote bank. But BJP's policies some hard hitting is always looking to integrate entire india. But unfortunately certain incidents in the past have really slowed down their growth. But i hope they become more moderate.

Bro they are paying for their wrong doings...

They did promised several dreamed changes to us. but because of xyz reasons they did not delivered...

 

[Raghu]

I don't need to go to Kandhamal to be aware of situations.


So if illiterate people are bigoted, conversion is bad? Incompetent reasoning.

No, U are not aware of situations , u are simply hallucinating.


Illiterate people are not bigoted, its the educated but truly bigoted ones who take advantage tribal folk's simplicity , poverty ,helplessness and lure them to convert with an aim to "harvest as many soul as possible",so that they can collect more funds from abroad.

 

[Raghu]

IMO BJP is the best nationalist party unlike congress. Congress always play divisive politcs be it reservation for minorities or caste census... they always look for vote bank. But BJP's policies some hard hitting is always looking to integrate entire india. But unfortunately certain incidents in the past have really slowed down their growth. But i hope they become more moderate.

Pandering to naked minority(read Muslim) communal forces in the name of secularism is old habit of Congress.

We can find it even during pre independence days ,when Gandhi joined Khilafat Movement ,a struggle started by some Indian Muslims to protect the Ottoman Empire and it emperor as Caliph of the Muslim world,in far away Turkey ,when the Turk nation itself trying to establish an European style secular state.

Mr Jinnah ,a secular man in literally sense was aghast by ridiculous appeasement of communal forces by congress led by Gandhiji,but soon he learned the trick, used the same to achieve his own political ambitions that led to partition of India and creation of Pakistan.

 

[Nemesis]

Dear Nemesis, Do you know that several people change their religion to get benefits such as reservation and multiple marriages...

So? I fail to see what the problem is? All they are doing is exchanging one fictional god for another for material benefit.

who take advantage tribal folk's simplicity , poverty ,helplessness and lure them to convert with an aim to "harvest as many soul as possible",so that they can collect more funds from abroad.

As long as its not economic exploitation, it really isnt any problem. I don't think there is such a thing as spiritual exploitation.