India must not legitimise Israel with Modi’s visit : gulfnews

[Echo_419]

True talk, India like every power /country should look after it's own national interest first and foremost, any other thing comes secondary . In this regard India knows full well that the smart /intelligent /wealthy /advanced Jew's can offer India far more than any backward religious Muslim/middle Eastern country in the Middle East can (Israel is India's second or third largest defence supplier and a major tech provider ) what can Palestine,KSA,Iran etc offer India? lol

Unfortunately that's how geo politics works, there is no emotion/morality. National interests are always paramount. Don't blame the player blame the game . So I expect Indo Israeli relations to keep getting stronger /closer, while some Middle Eastern countries /Iran etc can keep whinning , but won't change anything, since what can they offer India apart from oil (which India buys by the way, it's not like it's free. Lol )

Exactly also everytime we supported Palestine tgry backstabed us by voting for Pakistan & this chrade continued for 40 yearsv

 

[ayesha.a]

Israel faces a demographic nightmare with the amount of arabs/muslims on the verge of overtaking the number if jews across gaza, israel and the west bank

With a higher birth rate, palestinians who marry early have their families quickly will spell the end of a democratic jew state, israel will either become a bi national state where the number of arab/muslims keeps rising or it becomes a apartheid state where it oppresses the majority to keep jew rule a untenable situation

The eternal dream - "if we can't fight our enemies, let us try to outbreed them!"

Any idiot can see that that is not a viable strategy - uncontrollable increase of population, one that lacks very high technological and scientific competence, can only be a burden, not a boon.

I wish people would try to rise in the world by bettering themselves, rather than outbreeding their enemies.

I dont see such possibility that Palestinians can launch any attack against India and nor Iran they are the only two countries that can oppose this visit.

Saudis are partners with Israel and Israel conducts air strikes against Asad regime in support of ISIS and FSA fighting Asad forces and his allies. UAE, KSA etc have close relations with India as well so there is no such chance of retaliation but instead there might be a muted approval and Modi might land in one of the morach states to say hello to them

All correct, but do note that India has close and friendly relations with Iran as well.

On topic, India officially legitimized Israel in 1991. (Though not their persecution of Palestinians.) A visit by the PM does not mean that India endorses everything that Israel does. Indian PMs have visited Pakistan - but that hasn't changed India's position on land issues between the two.

 

[hussain0216]

The eternal dream - "if we can't fight our enemies, let us try to outbreed them!"

Any idiot can see that that is not a viable strategy - uncontrollable increase of population, one that lacks very high technological and scientific competence, can only be a burden, not a boon.

I wish people would try to rise in the world by bettering themselves, rather than outbreeding their enemies.



All correct, but do note that India has close and friendly relations with Iran as well.

On topic, India officially legitimized Israel in 1991. (Though not their persecution of Palestinians.) A visit by the PM does not mean that India endorses everything that Israel does. Indian PMs have visited Pakistan - but that hasn't changed India's position on land issues between the two.

Sometimes your strong, other times you are weak its the nature the world

When you are weak you have to lay the foundation for the future

So when strength returns you have the basics on place to get revenge


The whole purpose for the jews stealing palestine was to build a jew state, a state where they could live in peace after the horrors of the Holocaust

In theory this was fine accept that the land was inhabited by muslims/arabs, they stole the land and have oppressed the Palestinians for decades



At the moment the local arabs are too weak to effectively fight and the bigger nations are lead by self serving dictators and donkeys


It thus falls on individual and groups of muslims to ensure israel and the jews get NO PEACE

They took the peace from the Palestinians so in turn they should live their lives defending the indefensible, with no peace

A time will come when power will return to muslim lands this may mean individual states whether Turkey, iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt become powerful in themselves

This could mean states put their differences aside to join hands etc

Of course this will take time but time does not stand still

In the meantime we can hound jews across the world
We can put pressure on countries and business to boycot Israeli goods and products
We can hound israeli politicians and sportsmen
Highlight the oppression of the Palestinians
Try to get israel boycotted and shunned

All in all hound them at every turn

Now recalling thst the whole purpose of all this is a jew state
the increase in arab/muslim population creates pressure on that state the israeli population is already above 20% muslim/arab this population takes from the state but at the same time is oppressed by it, they wont do military service on the whole and create areas dangerous for jews to walk in the country they call the jewish state

Literally a 5th column, the bigger and more numerous they get the more pressure on the jews

20% will go to 25% and then 30% over the next few decades (so it wont be 51% all of a sudden) BUT the jews covet the west bank which another few million arabs/muslims live

Now the jews want the land but not the people

They are stuck because they cant ethnically cleanse the land without consequences so they gradually increase settler presence whilst oppressing the Palestinians
this however is not a lasting solution

It makes a two state solution impossible so its only a matter of time before israel either becomes a bi national state or a apartheid state in BOTH scenarios the numbers matter

The sum total of arabs/muslims is on the verge of surpassing the jews across gaza, israel and the west bank (the jews may not want to include gaza but in a future state that would be impossible )

Across the board the Palestinians birth rate is higher
when jews are doing military service Palestinians are getting married
They then start the families quickly after marriage
They then have their children in short periods

The Palestinians are also a younger population

The only jew population which can match the Palestinians is the Haredi and they are the most useless segment of israeli society who contribute little and dont do military service

Israel is not the land of milk and honey it is expensive, under constant threat, with a range of domestic issues


Israel is much much weaker than it looks and I am not talking about nukes or military

Supporting the growth of the muslim and arab population across israel, keeping the anger and hate strong in the occupied territories and across the world and we will end the jew dream of a jew state

 

[AugenBlick]

Sometimes your strong, other times you are weak its the nature the world

When you are weak you have to lay the foundation for the future

So when strength returns you have the basics on place to get revenge


The whole purpose for the jews stealing palestine was to build a jew state, a state where they could live in peace after the horrors of the Holocaust

In theory this was fine accept that the land was inhabited by muslims/arabs, they stole the land and have oppressed the Palestinians for decades



At the moment the local arabs are too weak to effectively fight and the bigger nations are lead by self serving dictators and donkeys


It thus falls on individual and groups of muslims to ensure israel and the jews get NO PEACE

They took the peace from the Palestinians so in turn they should live their lives defending the indefensible, with no peace

A time will come when power will return to muslim lands this may mean individual states whether Turkey, iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt become powerful in themselves

This could mean states put their differences aside to join hands etc

Of course this will take time but time does not stand still

In the meantime we can hound jews across the world
We can put pressure on countries and business to boycot Israeli goods and products
We can hound israeli politicians and sportsmen
Highlight the oppression of the Palestinians
Try to get israel boycotted and shunned

All in all hound them at every turn

Now recalling thst the whole purpose of all this is a jew state
the increase in arab/muslim population creates pressure on that state the israeli population is already above 20% muslim/arab this population takes from the state but at the same time is oppressed by it, they wont do military service on the whole and create areas dangerous for jews to walk in the country they call the jewish state

Literally a 5th column, the bigger and more numerous they get the more pressure on the jews

20% will go to 25% and then 30% over the next few decades (so it wont be 51% all of a sudden) BUT the jews covet the west bank which another few million arabs/muslims live

Now the jews want the land but not the people

They are stuck because they cant ethnically cleanse the land without consequences so they gradually increase settler presence whilst oppressing the Palestinians
this however is not a lasting solution

It makes a two state solution impossible so its only a matter of time before israel either becomes a bi national state or a apartheid state in BOTH scenarios the numbers matter

The sum total of arabs/muslims is on the verge of surpassing the jews across gaza, israel and the west bank (the jews may not want to include gaza but in a future state that would be impossible )

Across the board the Palestinians birth rate is higher
when jews are doing military service Palestinians are getting married
They then start the families quickly after marriage
They then have their children in short periods

The Palestinians are also a younger population

The only jew population which can match the Palestinians is the Haredi and they are the most useless segment of israeli society who contribute little and dont do military service

Israel is not the land of milk and honey it is expensive, under constant threat, with a range of domestic issues


Israel is much much weaker than it looks and I am not talking about nukes or military

Supporting the growth of the muslim and arab population across israel, keeping the anger and hate strong in the occupied territories and across the world and we will end the jew dream of a jew state

Meh ... they will hire ISIS to do the cleansing

 

[CMYX4BJ]

Sometimes your strong, other times you are weak its the nature the world

When you are weak you have to lay the foundation for the future

So when strength returns you have the basics on place to get revenge


The whole purpose for the jews stealing palestine was to build a jew state, a state where they could live in peace after the horrors of the Holocaust

In theory this was fine accept that the land was inhabited by muslims/arabs, they stole the land and have oppressed the Palestinians for decades



At the moment the local arabs are too weak to effectively fight and the bigger nations are lead by self serving dictators and donkeys


It thus falls on individual and groups of muslims to ensure israel and the jews get NO PEACE

They took the peace from the Palestinians so in turn they should live their lives defending the indefensible, with no peace

A time will come when power will return to muslim lands this may mean individual states whether Turkey, iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt become powerful in themselves

This could mean states put their differences aside to join hands etc

Of course this will take time but time does not stand still

In the meantime we can hound jews across the world
We can put pressure on countries and business to boycot Israeli goods and products
We can hound israeli politicians and sportsmen
Highlight the oppression of the Palestinians
Try to get israel boycotted and shunned

All in all hound them at every turn

Now recalling thst the whole purpose of all this is a jew state
the increase in arab/muslim population creates pressure on that state the israeli population is already above 20% muslim/arab this population takes from the state but at the same time is oppressed by it, they wont do military service on the whole and create areas dangerous for jews to walk in the country they call the jewish state

Literally a 5th column, the bigger and more numerous they get the more pressure on the jews

20% will go to 25% and then 30% over the next few decades (so it wont be 51% all of a sudden) BUT the jews covet the west bank which another few million arabs/muslims live

Now the jews want the land but not the people

They are stuck because they cant ethnically cleanse the land without consequences so they gradually increase settler presence whilst oppressing the Palestinians
this however is not a lasting solution

It makes a two state solution impossible so its only a matter of time before israel either becomes a bi national state or a apartheid state in BOTH scenarios the numbers matter

The sum total of arabs/muslims is on the verge of surpassing the jews across gaza, israel and the west bank (the jews may not want to include gaza but in a future state that would be impossible )

Across the board the Palestinians birth rate is higher
when jews are doing military service Palestinians are getting married
They then start the families quickly after marriage
They then have their children in short periods

The Palestinians are also a younger population

The only jew population which can match the Palestinians is the Haredi and they are the most useless segment of israeli society who contribute little and dont do military service

Israel is not the land of milk and honey it is expensive, under constant threat, with a range of domestic issues


Israel is much much weaker than it looks and I am not talking about nukes or military

Supporting the growth of the muslim and arab population across israel, keeping the anger and hate strong in the occupied territories and across the world and we will end the jew dream of a jew state

Are you a parrot? You have repeated this same 20% blah blah muslim sentence a hundred times.

Firstly, independent researchers have confirmed that birth rates of Palestinians is declining and they will NEVER surpass that of the jews. The only ones who claim this to be true are some retarded mosque preachers having a wet dream and some Israeli politicians who want more palestinians to be thrown out.
Expert: Israel Does Not Face a Demographic Threat - Israel Today | Israel News

Secondly, Israel has the support of the most powerful nations on Earth- US, EU, Russia etc
If Muslims ever try to do anything to Israel, these countries will step in and show them their place

Most probably, Israel will take over more of West Bank and the only Palestinian state in the future will comprise of Gaza

 

[hussain0216]

Are you a parrot? You have repeated this same 20% blah blah muslim sentence a hundred times.

Firstly, independent researchers have confirmed that birth rates of Palestinians is declining and they will NEVER surpass that of the jews. The only ones who claim this to be true are some retarded mosque preachers having a wet dream and some Israeli politicians who want more palestinians to be thrown out.
Expert: Israel Does Not Face a Demographic Threat - Israel Today | Israel News

Secondly, Israel has the support of the most powerful nations on Earth- US, EU, Russia etc
If Muslims ever try to do anything to Israel, these countries will step in and show them their place

Most probably, Israel will take over more of West Bank and the only Palestinian state in the future will comprise of Gaza

The birth rate of the arabs/muslims has declined from very high to stable and STILL far above the jew birth rate

The birth rate of the arabs/muslims in westbank or gaza is never taken into count


Will the arabs/muslims suddenly form 51% of israel the answer is no but they are projected to increase and the problem for the jews is thst the lands they want i.e the west bank has millions more Palestinians with millions yet more refugees

 

[CMYX4BJ]

The birth rate of the arabs/muslims has declined from very high to stable and STILL far above the jew birth rate

The birth rate of the arabs/muslims in westbank or gaza is never taken into count


Will the arabs/muslims suddenly form 51% of israel the answer is no but they are projected to increase and the problem for the jews is thst the lands they want i.e the west bank has millions more Palestinians with millions yet more refugees

Yes, but Gaza does NOT count. Israel has no interest in occupying Gaza. People residing there will have no bearing in what happens in Israel.

 

[hussain0216]

Yes, but Gaza does NOT count. Israel has no interest in occupying Gaza. People residing there will have no bearing in what happens in Israel.

Israel covets the west bank in which millions of Palestinians reside

It refuses to give them a state and separate them from israel thus the two state solution becomes dead

The only option is a binational state OR a Apartheid state where israel makes the Palestinians into second class citizens with limited rights

Both condem israel as even without Gaza the palestinian population will jump to 40% and will form a major voting bank that could theoretically form the israeli government this also leaves israel with the same demographic threat of a faster growing muslim population

This does not even include the refugees and the stink abbas and the Palestinians will kick up


As an apartheid state it will have the exact same problem but with added international condemnation ala south africa


Eventually the palestinians will demand gaza whiwhich is also their terrirtory and full of Palestinians be annexed or connected ir whatever


In a democracy israels jews put themselves in a dangerous almost untenable position where the palestinians have almost as much voting power but a more fruitful future demographically speaking

 

[Azizam]

IF one reads the OP..the point raised here is by the visit we will be "legitimizing" Israel, many of these muslim countries that you have spoken about do not recoqnise Israel. That's their lookout. For India - Israel is a legitimate country with an long running issue with Palestine.

India recognises the Israel so what's the issue?

 

[The Headache]

Both Killer`s of Muslim`s will be aligned and shaking hands

What? Even some fundamentalists from your country are also going to visit the visit ? Is that true? Or is ISIS joining them?

 

[The Headache]

Nethanyu spoke person all the workd know how Israel killed innocent Muslims .

They were born terrorist


Are you on Drugs .Learn English 1st then talk

Can't you understand simple English? The words simply spiraled out didn't they? No problem. It was the fault in your education system and English teachers. Also, moron, We don't talk on PDF. WE DISCUSS. Enough of you teaching me English.

 

[Hindustani78]

How is it related to PM's visit to Israel ?

To enter Palestine have to enter either from Israel or Jordan.

And to reach Ramallah have to go through Israeli checkpoints.

Well if Muslims recognise Moses as a prophet, they better recognise Israel

Muslims believes that Moses and Israelities follows the Religion of Ibrahim.

2:136 - Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

We had given asylum to Israelis and they are our friends. There is absolutely no question on legitimacy of Israel. We have recognized Israel a long back.

Mizrahi Jews came to India long before the birth of Prophet Muhammed pbuh even before Jesus.

To whom we know by the name of Cochin Jews.

Actually when Richard the Lion Heart invaded Jerusalem, the region was recognized as the land of Palestine and its name has been recorded throughout history since the time of the Pharaoh's. The name Israel was never recorded in history, since Jewish inhabitants live in a place called Judea. Furthermore, provide me a quote where the Quran states that the land of Israel only belongs to the Jewish people? Have no problem in India supporting Israel, but you should get your information correct first.

Jesus himself is known as Jesus of Nazareth.

If they visit Israel, would there be more terrorist attacks in response?

Preisdent Rabin was assasinated

I was rather curious about the place,what is the big issue if a State Head visiting that place, is it not the part of Israel.

@Hindustani78

Republic of India can help in solving the Palestine issue.

United States did tried to bring in peace , first by the Egypt-Israel treaty and then Oslo Accords and then by Jordan-Israel Treaty.

Now United States and Republic of India relations are good and both together can bring peace and end this conflict according to UN Resolutions prior to 1967 borders.

India recognises the Israel so what's the issue?

Turkey, Egypt and Jordan recognises Israel and Republic of India even recognises Israel prior to 1967 borders as the Palestinians have done treaty with Israel during the Oslo Accords.

 

[Rasengan]

Jesus himself is known as Jesus of Nazareth.

Please elaborate further because I don't understand your point. Jesus of Nazareth is only mentioned in the New Testament which only came into existence when Constantine instructed the empire to adopt the new religion of Christianity.

 

[kaku1]

India has a 1.2 billion population that cant go two days without fuel,

Ever you heard of 30 days of strategic reserves?

Sometimes your strong, other times you are weak its the nature the world

When you are weak you have to lay the foundation for the future

So when strength returns you have the basics on place to get revenge


The whole purpose for the jews stealing palestine was to build a jew state, a state where they could live in peace after the horrors of the Holocaust

In theory this was fine accept that the land was inhabited by muslims/arabs, they stole the land and have oppressed the Palestinians for decades



At the moment the local arabs are too weak to effectively fight and the bigger nations are lead by self serving dictators and donkeys


It thus falls on individual and groups of muslims to ensure israel and the jews get NO PEACE

They took the peace from the Palestinians so in turn they should live their lives defending the indefensible, with no peace

A time will come when power will return to muslim lands this may mean individual states whether Turkey, iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt become powerful in themselves

This could mean states put their differences aside to join hands etc

Of course this will take time but time does not stand still

In the meantime we can hound jews across the world
We can put pressure on countries and business to boycot Israeli goods and products
We can hound israeli politicians and sportsmen
Highlight the oppression of the Palestinians
Try to get israel boycotted and shunned

All in all hound them at every turn

Now recalling thst the whole purpose of all this is a jew state
the increase in arab/muslim population creates pressure on that state the israeli population is already above 20% muslim/arab this population takes from the state but at the same time is oppressed by it, they wont do military service on the whole and create areas dangerous for jews to walk in the country they call the jewish state

Literally a 5th column, the bigger and more numerous they get the more pressure on the jews

20% will go to 25% and then 30% over the next few decades (so it wont be 51% all of a sudden) BUT the jews covet the west bank which another few million arabs/muslims live

Now the jews want the land but not the people

They are stuck because they cant ethnically cleanse the land without consequences so they gradually increase settler presence whilst oppressing the Palestinians
this however is not a lasting solution

It makes a two state solution impossible so its only a matter of time before israel either becomes a bi national state or a apartheid state in BOTH scenarios the numbers matter

The sum total of arabs/muslims is on the verge of surpassing the jews across gaza, israel and the west bank (the jews may not want to include gaza but in a future state that would be impossible )

Across the board the Palestinians birth rate is higher
when jews are doing military service Palestinians are getting married
They then start the families quickly after marriage
They then have their children in short periods

The Palestinians are also a younger population

The only jew population which can match the Palestinians is the Haredi and they are the most useless segment of israeli society who contribute little and dont do military service

Israel is not the land of milk and honey it is expensive, under constant threat, with a range of domestic issues


Israel is much much weaker than it looks and I am not talking about nukes or military

Supporting the growth of the muslim and arab population across israel, keeping the anger and hate strong in the occupied territories and across the world and we will end the jew dream of a jew state

I am listening this argument since my birth, nice try.

 

[hussain0216]

Ever you heard of 30 days of strategic reserves?



I am listening this argument since my birth, nice try.

Your strategic reserves are just that strategic

Pumps will start going dry within hours, panic buying will quicken the process

Your economy could be pushed to the brink within days

Even if you are 30 (born in the eary/mid 80s);you can go back and see muslim /arab population then and what it has grown to now across the board and see the projections even by 2030