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GoP has to raise the questions. GoP has to make show out of this. They has to question the evidence. Not doing this means you accept.
No. I am pointing to fact how spin given to facts.
What did the witness said? That RDX was procured by Col. So? Check the facts. RDX is not even used in the SE blasts. The only thing used to link SE blast with Purohit was the statement by witness regarding procurement of RDX by Purohit.
Four bags were planted and only 2 went off. Rest 2 were taken in custody by agencies. There was no RDX in those bags.
Police reach Mumbai to quiz Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya
Mumbai/Lucknow (PTI): A Haryana Railway police team reached Mumbai to interrogate Malegaon blast case suspects Lt Col S P Purohit and Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur after it was established that suitcase bombs, which blew up two bogies of Indo-Pak Samjhauta Express train in February last year, were assembled in Indore.
In Lucknow, self-claimed religious guru Dayanand Pandey, allegedly involved in the Malegaon blast, was arrested by a joint team of Maharashtra police and central security agencies and will be produced before a Nashik court within three days.
As the probe intensified, the Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) was tightlipped on reports that the missing laptop of Purohit believed to contain crucial information has been traced.
In Chandigarh, Inspector General (Railway Police), K K Mishra said "our investigations in the Samjhauta probe had led us to Indore after we got clues that the suitcases and stichings on them which were used in the explosions were procured from Indore." 68 people had been killed in the twin explosions on Samjhauta. ATS is probing Purhoit's Indore links.
Pandey, head of Sharda Sarvagya Peeth in Jammu ,was produced Thursday in Lucknow before magistrate Mukesh Kumar who gave him transit remand for three days. The ATS will produce him before a Nashik court by November 16.
His Chartered Accountant (CA) V K Kapoor and son Pawan were detained in Jammu's Trikuta Nagar but were released after questioning Wednesday evening.
The Hindu News Update Service
Looking at recent activities in Valley, they will not agree.
Sigh! Just another conspiracy theorist and to think you started off so well.
At this point, I would really like your thoughts on Indian presence in Afghanistan. More importantly the 'proxies' that India is running right under Pakistan's very nose, close to its Fronties and Balochistan provinces. Just yesterday, India's "national interest" was cited as a reason. Would you not agree that this is BS?
Just a theory. No proof whatsoever. Standard obfuscation. If India were running such a large operation from within Afghanistan, surely NATO & ISAF must know about it unless they are totally incompetent. So, are they all hand in glove with India on this? BTW, you are surely not suggesting that the Taliban(Pakistan) is accepting support from Indians while fighting fellow muslims because they are not 'muslim' enough, are you? Baluchistan is a theoretical possibility but no evidence has been provided to anyone at all. Why is it that when India provides evidence, it is termed inadequate or insufficient but mere allegations by Pakistani officials without providing a iota of proof is expected to be taken seriously.
Not that many Punjabis? Weak point. And, there are 160 million muslims in India (or thereabouts, even more than there are in Pakistan). I still maintain that it was a premature allegation. Just because you were 'right' (according to your own dossier, ridden with anomalies) does not give you the right to put blame without evidence. THAT to any nation is an insult and is a sign of immaturity on part of the accusing nation (in my humble opinion). I am sorry but if you think of me as a thief already, I am not going to waste my time pacifying your concerns. Plus, it really undermines your story when you find only evidence that EXACTLY confirms your own suspicions.
And then, lo and behold, you find Pakistani toothpaste and dry fruit and guns and grenades, all of which can be fabricated with relative ease BTW. And then we hear in the Indian media, that this was a very "sophisticated and highly planned" assault. Tell me something. If in fact it was, how did they seemingly mess up at every corner? They did not destroy the boat, left GPS and phones completely intact before dying, hell, some were even carrying ID Cards and passports (for a terrorist attack!!!). And to top it all off, RAW had somehow provided them with their SIM cards, which is why they were able to record the conversations.
Look , I cannot stop you from believing whatever you want but your arguments make little sense. Unlike the usual conspiracy theorists, you admit that LeT was incolved and then cast aspersions on the 26/11 attack . What are you suggesting? That RAW worked with the LeT to attack a major Indian city? The Americans have arrested two men of pakistani origin, one of whom has admitted to involvement in the planning of attack. So what's your take on David Headley? Ilyas Kashmiri has also been named as a planner of the 26/11 attack and he has been on record promising more such attacks. BTW, the Punjabi angle is meaningless unless you subscribe to Zaid Hamid's theory that " Ajmal Kasab is Amar Singh - a Sikh!".
More doubts:
Karkare Episode Few Relevant Questions (from kmsnews.org)
Another go at understanding 26/11 - dnaindia.com
This is unfortunately more of the usual conspiracy theory. First it makes the case that Karkare was some sort of lone ranger who was doing all these investigations on his own. Surely you know better than that. Karkare worked with a huge team under him and it was juniors doing the investigation. He also reported to more senior officers and to the political leadership. Without their support, where do you think he could have gone? He also had to deal with police forces of different states and with the army in investigating one of their own. Transfer orders are a lot easier than killing nearly 200 people to get him out of the scene. I don't know if you have watched HBO's "Terror in Mumbai" which actually gives you enough details on how Karkare died. He was killed by Kasab and his buddy alongside other senior officers. A policemen who was with Karkare and suffered injuries in that attack surviving only because he pretended to be dead was also interviewed. As i have said before there is nothing I or anyone else can say to convince you if you choose to believe otherwise.
And then.. there is this:
New Delhi, Feb 4 (IANS) - Mumbai attackers handler may be an Indian: Chidambaram
The government Thursday admitted that at least one of the 26/11 terror handlers could be an Indian but the true identity of the person was yet to be ascertained.
There was a handler in 26/11 whom we have known for long, or suspected for a long time, could be an Indian. Thats something we have known for many, many months now. He goes by the name Abu Jindal, but that is not his real name, Home Minister P. Chidambaram told CNBC-TV18 channel in an interview.
Said by the Indian Home Minister and he is talking about one of the handlers of the 26/11 attacks who was in Pakistan. Admission as proof of hiding? C'mon.
All these are questions that common Pakistanis are asking about the legitimacy of the Indian argument. And it is mainly because of the way you treated Pakistan like a nation of terrorists. It is almost as if you wanted this.
Not going to dignify that with a response. Expected better from you.
No doubt Lashkar WAS involved. And it IS based in Pakistan. But somehow, I and many other Pakistanis feel that there is much more to this. Indians however, seem disinterested to find out more about Indian involvement in 26/11, so long as they have enough to implicate Pakistan.
As for the feeling you say that you have and which according to you is shared by many Pakistanis, there is nothing that India can do to make that feeling go away. That is a feeling that only you can make go away whenever you decide to change the glasses that cloud your vision.
Thank you for your time.
New Recruit
Sigh! Just another conspiracy theorist and to think you started off so well.
Just a theory. No proof whatsoever. Standard obfuscation. If India were running such a large operation from within Afghanistan, surely NATO & ISAF must know about it unless they are totally incompetent. So, are they all hand in glove with India on this? BTW, you are surely not suggesting that the Taliban(Pakistan) is accepting support from Indians while fighting fellow muslims because they are not 'muslim' enough, are you? Baluchistan is a theoretical possibility but no evidence has been provided to anyone at all. Why is it that when India provides evidence, it is termed inadequate or insufficient but mere allegations by Pakistani officials without providing a iota of proof is expected to be taken seriously.
Look , I cannot stop you from believing whatever you want but your arguments make little sense. Unlike the usual conspiracy theorists, you admit that LeT was incolved and then cast aspersions on the 26/11 attack . What are you suggesting? That RAW worked with the LeT to attack a major Indian city? The Americans have arrested two men of pakistani origin, one of whom has admitted to involvement in the planning of attack. So what's your take on David Headley? Ilyas Kashmiri has also been named as a planner of the 26/11 attack and he has been on record promising more such attacks. BTW, the Punjabi angle is meaningless unless you subscribe to Zaid Hamid's theory that " Ajmal Kasab is Amar Singh - a Sikh!".
The Americans have arrested two men of pakistani origin, one of whom has admitted to involvement in the planning of attack. So what's your take on David Headley? Ilyas Kashmiri has also been named as a planner of the 26/11 attack and he has been on record promising more such attacks.
This is unfortunately more of the usual conspiracy theory. First it makes the case that Karkare was some sort of lone ranger who was doing all these investigations on his own. Surely you know better than that. Karkare worked with a huge team under him and it was juniors doing the investigation. He also reported to more senior officers and to the political leadership. Without their support, where do you think he could have gone? He also had to deal with police forces of different states and with the army in investigating one of their own. Transfer orders are a lot easier than killing nearly 200 people to get him out of the scene. I don't know if you have watched HBO's "Terror in Mumbai" which actually gives you enough details on how Karkare died. He was killed by Kasab and his buddy alongside other senior officers. A policemen who was with Karkare and suffered injuries in that attack surviving only because he pretended to be dead was also interviewed. As i have said before there is nothing I or anyone else can say to convince you if you choose to believe otherwise.
Said by the Indian Home Minister and he is talking about one of the handlers of the 26/11 attacks who was in Pakistan. Admission as proof of hiding? C'mon.
Not going to dignify that with a response. Expected better from you.
As for the feeling you say that you have and which according to you is shared by many Pakistanis, there is nothing that India can do to make that feeling go away. That is a feeling that only you can make go away whenever you decide to change the glasses that cloud your vision.
Thank you for your time.
Karkare Episode – Few Relevant Questions (from kmsnews.org)
Another go at understanding 26/11 - dnaindia.com
And then.. there is this:
But remember, it is always the sheep who believes everything he sees or hears on mass media without question.
Could not agree more !Do not forget the power of propaganda.
If you tell a lie for long enough, everyone starts believing it.
In my opinion there will never be peace between India & Pak.
There may be periods of muted animosity with shows of bonhomie but no major change.
Unless of course economics takes over and achieves what the politicians, religious leaders & the armed forces have failed to do.
New Recruit
Just one question for you. Whose bullets killed inspector Karkare??
Intelligence alerts treated casually: Pradhan panel
Tue-Dec 22, 2009
Mumbai / Press Trust of India
The Ram Pradhan Commission, which probed the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, has observed that the intelligence alerts provided by Central agencies were treated “casually” and “mechanically forwarded” to operational units by the office of the Director General of Police (DGP), the Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) and the State's Home Department.
The Commission’s report, which was tabled in the Maharashtra Legislative Assembly on Monday, said the intelligence alerts were forwarded by the DGP office, sometimes with a semi-official letter.
It also noted that there was total confusion in the processing of intelligence alert at the state government level. The Chief Secretary normally passes the alerts from the Intelligence Bureau or Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) to the State Home Department.
Both Additional Chief Secretaries (Home) and Principal Secretary (Home) initially deposed before the panel that they had not received any intelligence inputs from the MHA.
Kasab and his terrorist buddy.
BUT.
My friend, it is not just enough to look at things simplistically. You have to see the chain of causation. Had these terrorists been dealt with in the appropriate manner, Karkare, Kamte etc. would still be alive, not to mention scores of other victims of that dreadful night.
If you leave your door open in the middle of the night and your neighbour's dog attacks your child, you are indeed responsible for a major portion of the blame. After that you can blame your neighbour all you want but the fact remains that you should have taken the appropriate steps. If you didn't, stop complaining.
New Recruit
Are you trying to suggest us to believe on ZH type Conspiracy theories? Sorry we refute...
yes we accept we had security flaws as and we are as repsonsible as these terrorists were for such terror attacks..
errrmmm.. what were you refuting then?
And I wasn't suggesting any "ZH Type Conspiracy Theories", this is all apparently in YOUR Ram Pradhan Commission Report.
they did question ur investigation but didnt start crying about it to make sure that peace talks dont get affected.
Which witness you are talking about? Samjhota Blast witness? Are you sure?the way u are going about it is not correct at all. take it for both sides if u want to or else dont mention it.
RDX or IEDs a common person does not know the difference. wat the witness said was about the bag with the explosive material in it. a known fact is that investigation regarding SE was never completed
Which Investigation? SE blast Invetigation team never said any thing.its clear from wat so ever investigation was going on that a hindu extremist group was involved in the bomb blast.
recent means after u put a stop to dialogue which will always give more force to organisations like LeT to lure youth against your atrocities in kashmir. however if you go before mumbai attacks when peace process was going well you will have to agree with me on the significant decrease in infiltration.