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India moved upgraded Mig 29 on forward airbase

hama kia inka patrol jaal raha haa... even single 25 min sortie cost more then 12,000 euros non supersonic
It costs even more to pay the salary of all the men in the forces.
This is very much manageable for the Indian economy.
But the same cannot be said of the Pakistani economy.
 
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My opinion :

Enemy never disclose mod of attack to his opponent ,but they do everything covertly unlike india.

its joke indians have been releasing their military movements through media outlets as if they gonna attack.

India is just showing muscles to divert Pakistan's attention from western border and economy.

India wont attack but Pakistan should be prepared.
 
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I still don't think Modi will risk full fledge war, cuz already dwindling indian economy will be the prime looser, plus things can get out of control, i don't think, guys at south block are fools, but, yes a localised conflict like Kargil, in order to pressurise already stretched Pakistani armed forces and weaken anti terror operations at our western border can be the goal of all this practice.

but lets c...
Modi wants a limited conflict to win the elections and also to purge the Indian punjab of their sikh inhabitants. Punjab is expandable for him while rajhastan doesn't have much hindu population and is mostly a secluded desert region.
 
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No need. Dont panic! we are watching intent fully.
realistically, can u defend Pakistan in the presence of Rafael and now S400?

Answer; no u cant!

This says it all.
Afterall yr a force which still plans to fly 80s era f16 beyond 2030 even, and right now still flying 50s era technology of mirage and mig21(f7)....so our panic is justified since yr not serious in doing yr job.

I see it as a distraction . Actual attack if i say "if" they execute will be somewhere else . Cold war doctrine is catching ur enemy with surprise not by threatning , beating war drums , moving air land assets and the whole world knows . Its against their doctrine they cooked in last 15 yrs . Our top brass knows it and any attack from karachi to kashmir will unleash dreadful response from Pakistan .
something real is really cooking, just a few days ago, they have fired on a white colored civilian helicopter of PM of AJK.

Yes i believe we have supernatural pilots who are hungry to prove their skills in the air and become the heroes of the nation and write their names in history. You should remember Saiful azam, Sattar Alvi , M.M.Alam all had inferior aircrafts against superior air forces (Israeli and Indian) which had Mirages,Hunters and Phantoms at their sides.
JF-17s, F-16s,Mirages and F-7s can handle Indian Migs and Sukhois. No need to panic, Indian don't have their wonder weapon (Rafale) right now to attack Pakistan with.

And i know PAF have already prepared for the Rafale threat.
kaka g they r going to receive their first rafael this month! while our chuzza blk 3 is delayed for next year.

And i havnt even talked abt AK's laughable production rates yet!

Things like 71 happen when you lose your support in the people.
A deep analysis of our wartime efforts reveals great tactical prowess among small units but poor command of larger theaters as a whole, as the rankers were reaching the top, and still do, albeit less.
The last war we fought showed how brilliant our infantry and artillery is despite standing up to a 6 times larger force and conducting offensive operations in terrible terrain, with zero air support and the whole nation unaware and fooled into crap excuses by the upper 'masterminds'.
Conventional or COIN, our boys have proven their mettle.
If the enemy attacks first, it will be digging it's grave, and that is exactly what we want, give them the incentive.
Make it a blood bath with our buzzsaws.
The descendents of Rajputs Mughals and Pashtuns know how to fight, but we have to be realistic, a smaller force is better defending and has more moral support. So the military is doing well, rebuilding and waiting.
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Which is still true today....(op. zarb e azb high casualties)
Regarding rest, well the production rate of our AK tanks speak for themselves, neither r our current officers/jawans the same as their seniors 40-50 years ago.

And then again our airforce which is still flying vintage 50s era aircrafts and our dismal navy whose even sailors run away in foreign tours speak for themselves.
 
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We must not delude ourselves.

Wars we had with India were either evenly matched or we lost. Evenly matching against three times enemy maybe win for few but in absolute terms it was not.

Other side is a professional army/airforce. Working of which is almost similiar to us as we had similar origins.

Training wise we did probably slightly better job, upkeep and equipment wise too but we have major deficiencies in Armour, Attack helis, transport helis, long range air defence. We have reasonable numbers in fighter jets in defense role but no deep offensive capabilities. We have good sortie rate and overall capability to keep our jets in air but to what end. There is a limit to what human skill can stretch mediocre technology.

In short our esteemed Generals have learnt nothing from 71. Then we had gambled everything on US and now on tactical nukes.

Enemy knows this is the only time they can attack to good effect, Each passing year this dream of theirs will be less likely fruitful, as Pakistan is predicted to grow strong in coming years.
nonetheless things are not as bleak as you make them sound. We have powerful friends in the region who can look after our logistic stamina.
 
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It costs even more to pay the salary of all the men in the forces.
This is very much manageable for the Indian economy.
But the same cannot be said of the Pakistani economy.
Your airforce should come & attack this time, take hafiz saaed from Lahore, Destroy his camps in Fasialabad & Jhang, Everybody knows address and camps location , it’s not hidden,but it looks again you playing only with media.:lol:
Just big talk and rants . :omghaha::rofl: Raw is sleeping too, Failed intelligent agency, only good for Bollywood movies.

realistically, can u defend Pakistan in the presence of Rafael and now S400?

Answer; no u cant!

This says it all.
Afterall yr a force which still plans to fly 80s era f16 beyond 2030 even, and right now still flying 50s era technology of mirage and mig21(f7)....so our panic is justified since yr not serious in doing yr job.


something real is really cooking, just a few days ago, they have fired on a white colored civilian helicopter of PM of AJK.


kaka g they r going to receive their first rafael this month! while our chuzza blk 3 is delayed for next year.

And i havnt even talked abt AK's laughable production rates yet!


:lol:

Which is still true today....(op. zarb e azb high casualties)
Regarding rest, well the production rate of our AK tanks speak for themselves, neither r our current officers/jawans the same as their seniors 40-50 years ago.

And then again our airforce which is still flying vintage 50s era aircrafts and our dismal navy whose even sailors run away in foreign tours speak for themselves.
True Muslim don’t fear, but you looks like afraid chicken.
 
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its just to increase costs on pakistan real target is pakistans treasury
 
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indian elections are getting closer. we will see more of such drama. there shouldnt be panic mode in pak. but pak instead of moving military to border and wasting billions should test a couple of ballistic missiles. i think india will understand.
 
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Yar Ab ki dafa mazak nai kerna pichli dafa bhi hum ne SideWinders pkae the especially apke MKIs k liye but ap raste se hi wapis chale gae.

Ab ki dafa hum ne SideWinders k sath sath SD-10s, AIM-120, PL-9 bhi bnae hain. Pichli dafa one dish ka rule tha. Ab ki dafa zaror ana or chote bache Teja ko bhi sath lana uske liye special treat hai.
[emoji2] pury family ko invite kr lain
 
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indian elections are getting closer. we will see more of such drama. there shouldnt be panic mode in pak. but pak instead of moving military to border and wasting billions should test a couple of ballistic missiles. i think india will understand.

They contest the elections in the name of war with Pakistan.Hahaaa , Why don't they understand and vote for some better person? this scumbag will be voted again because these indians love war mongers
 
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details of upgrade ?
IAF MiG-29 Upgrade.

Its quite evident that the MiG-29 as such is a very lethal platform. With modern avionics, it can take on & defeat current generation aircraft, including the Block 50 F-16, when properly flown.

Its primary "deficits" were in terms of its older avionics and limited fuel capacity.

The IAF upgrade, which is to SMT level and beyond, addresses these issues.

Original IAF MiG-29s are believed to have received limited upgrades already, including local Tarang RWRs plus improvements to the radar to the N019ME standard.

Avionics

- New databus 1553B standard to incorporate newer avionics

- New mission computers, navigation system (RLG-INS w/GPS + possible Glonass module - Sagem's Sigma95N), Stores Management System, new VRS (Video Recording System) plus DMG (Display Map Generator). VRS and DMG likely to be sourced from Israel or locally.

-Glass cockpit with new HUD, two MFDs, HOTAS

-Zhuk ME MultiFunction radar with A2A/A2G modes; new IFF; Zhuk variant for IAF is Zhuk M2E, with an improved signal processor over Indian Navy MiG-29Ks which received the Zhuk M1E (source:AWST Sharper Eyes for India's MiGs) The improved processor would allow for improved raid assessment, and NCTR (non cooperative target recognition).

Deputy Director (Phazatron) Yuri Goskov quoted:

Guskov said that Phazotron is already working on the next modification of its slot array radars, the Zhuk M2E. This version will have a faster processor, allowing it to classify targets by type (for instance, fighters, bombers and helicopters) and to break-out formation targets flying at 20-30 meters apart. The radar can also be programmed to identify aircraft by type – in the case of a new type, it can record its reflected signal and later use it for identification.
The Zhuk M2E should start flight testing this year. The modernized radar will equip 62 Indian Air Force MiG-29s that MiG is modifying to the MiG-29UPG configuration under contract to the IAF.
Zhuk ME specifications

Brochure - note these are "public details" for advertising purposes. Actual specifications may exceed some of the specifications shown.

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/2257/zhukmeav9.jpg

-NIPP OLS-UE (as on latest MiG-35 and MiG-29K). Has a TV channel. Also has an advanced IR matrix for increased range. For the MiG-35, MiG notes "The IRST system with infra-red, TV and laser sighting equipment has been developed using the space technologies which were not applied previously in aviation. The system distinctive features are the increased range, detection, tracking, identification and lock-on of air, ground/surface targets in the forward and rear hemispheres, at day and night measuring the distance with laser range-finder as well as the formation of target designation and laser illumination of ground targets. The IRST system and new helmet-mounted target designation system are integrated into the armament control system." The IAF SMT upgrade does not have the fuselage mounted pod, so it cannot track ground targets (IAF will use the Litening instead) but rest applies, for the forward facing IRST.

-D-29 EW suite: Developed by DRDO with inhouse high accuracy DF RWR fit which cues AESA jammers. Latter codeveloped with Elettronica. DARE developed a high performance EW system with a scalable, modular architecture. The system can receive signals from multiple channels, process them in an Indian developed signal processing suite, and then devise appropriate jamming countermeasures to be initiated by jammers linked to the output channels. The LCA & MiG-27 Upgrade, both feature conventional Transmitter based jammers but the MiG-29 has an AESA fit developed with Elettronica. This system combines high grade coverage with high ERP (Emitted Radiated Power) for effective countermeasures.

-Improved chaff & flares system: Likely to be the locally developed system by Bharat Dynamics Ltd.

-V/UHF radio fit + IAF datalink. Radios likely to be Software Defined Radios developed by HAL

-VOR/ILS/TACAN from HAL

Weaponry

-R73E,R77, KH-35UE, KAB-500/1500, Kh-31 A/P family missiles, Kh-29 L/T (see table below for complete list from Russian side)

Other systems to be added will be the local Astra BVR AAM (Mk1 and Mk2), and the Sudarshan family LGBs

Fuel

The IAF upgrade carries the typical SMT class humpback. Range is now increased by around 50% over original MiG-29, increasing endurance at typical operating radius. IAF MiG-29s can also carry both wing plus fuselage fuel tanks, 1500 L each. The new fit also includes IFR.

New Engines

Under a separate deal, HAL will supply new RD-33s manufactured under license from Klimov. These are RD33 Series 3 engines.

"Russia will deliver 26 engines for upgrading the MiG-29 combat jets of the Indian Air Force (IAF), with another 120 to be assembled in India, following an agreement with the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) at the ongoing MAKS 2009 air show near Moscow, officials said Friday."

Russia to deliver MiG-29 engines to India

Stealth Enhancements

RAM for both external and internal systems (e.g. likely RAM for radar backend behind antenna array), and cockpit glass improvements (radar reflective coating) likely

  • Indian Navy MiG-29K's feature both cockpit glass improvements, shaping improvements (serrated edges near radome), and internal RAM (see Russian Stealth you can touch

Summary of Features (OEM)

MiG notes:

The MiG-29SMT main features:
– Modern high precision weapons of "A-S" class are included into the weapons nomenclature. It is provided for the weapons nomenclature enhancement during aircraft life cycle.
– The aircraft is equipped with multifunctional multi-mode pulse-Doppler airborne "Zhuk-ME" radar manufactured by "Fazotron-NIIP" Corporation. The radar is provided with a slot antenna array. As compared with the airborne radar of the previous generation the "Zhuk-ME" has enhanced scanning angles in azimuth, twice increased detection range, less weight and higher reliability. The "Zhuk-ME" radar provides for tracking up to 10 air targets with capability of simultaneous firing of 4 targets with missiles.
– The airborne avionics of the MiG-29SMT aircraft is designed following the principle of open architecture on the basis of a mission computer with the data exchange multiplex channel (bus of MIL STD 1553B standard). It allows to install aboard the aircraft the new systems of Russian or foreign origin at the customer’s request.
– The cockpit data display system includes two new wide-screen MFD-10-6 multifunction color displays and realizes the HOTAS conception.
– INS-GPS navigation system is included into the navigation equipment.
– The aircraft is equipped with in-flight refuelling system.

Aircraft can be equipped with ECM system installed in pod. At the customer’s request the MiG-29SMT aircraft can be equipped with the upgraded IRSTS system as well as with radio-stations, navigation equipment and IFF transponders of different types.

According to avionics architecture and weapons nomenclature the MiG-29SMT aircraft is unified with a new generation of the RAC "MiG" fighters family.

The double-seat version of the MiG-29SMT aircraft is called the upgraded MiG-29UB. It has the same avionics structure and identical cockpit data display system composition but it has no radar. The upgraded MiG-29UB aircraft has the same weapons as the MiG-20SMT except for weapons with radar homing heads (for training purposes the simulation mode is provided).

For both the MiG-29SMT and upgraded MiG-29UB aircraft the complete set of training means has been developed.

While upgrading the previously supplied aircraft to the MiG-29SMT version the following optional works can be fulfilled:
– aircraft structure reinforcement for the extension of flight hours and service life (depending on the aircraft technical condition);
– increase of internal fuel tanks capacity;
– installation of in-flight refueling systems of different types;
– improvement and/or replacement of some airborne systems;
– repair and transfer to on-condition maintenance
Don't think that the stealth improvements along the lines of the Navy birds were undertaken.
 
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