India might have a thermonuclear Bomb upto 200 Kilo Tonnes !!

[BlackSonic]

5??? where did you get that idea??

He is talking about Balochistan Tests.

 

[FreekiN]

Lets say Pakistan and India has a fight ..more precisely a nuclear fight......so imagine guys i took a case of 1 kiloton and 10 kiloton...and than at the end you can imagine what can 200 kiloton do .....if used.....

one kiloton explosion : -

effected explosion area is 1/3rd of mile + Fallout effect extended to 1 square mile

For 10 kiloton explosion

explosion area 2/3rd of a mile + Fallout effect about 10 square miles

an assumption that both neigbours uses their entire nuclear arsenal against each other

Let us assume india and pakistan has 200 kiloton ready material

Target cities in Pakistan

Karachi , Sargodha , Lahore, Bahawalpur , Faisalabad , Sialkot , Rawalpindi , Sukkur , Multan, Larkana , Hyderabad , Shekhupura , Gujranwala , Jhang , Peshawar , Mardan , Quetta, Rahim Yar Khan Islamabad, Gujrat..........constitutes 36366181 people comes to .....................................
36 million people

it comes to roughly about 1622 persons per square miles take both the explosion and fallout effect...95% people will succumb......1540 people will be evaporated......in pakistan.....

thats deadly

now compare the indian cities...

it comes to about 42 major indian cities.......

so roughly the population comes to 105373521 with a square mile area of 274468.....so roughly it comes out to be 383 person per square mile.


take both the explosion and fallout effect...95% people will succumb ....363 people are evaporated .....thats rougly 1/5th of pakistani casualities.......

so vis s vis comparing both pakistan and india with a 200 kiloton warhead........for every 5 pakistani 1 indian will evaporate.....

it means...taking on pro-rata basis if india has a population currently to be 1,147,995,904 it means if we divide it by 5...the population of pakistan mathematically should be currently 229599181........but presently as per July 2008 census it is 172,800,048 which is a shortfall of 56799133 people.....

so in the worst case scenario..that is second strike capabilites of both the countries......india can evaporate pakistan 5 times before every indian evaporates ........mathematically it comes out India will win the Nuclear war .........................

solution for pakistan to win the nuclear war...to build atleat 5 times the nuclear warhead that india has at any given point of time ..........which i believe pakistan is doing right now or on this track....logically........however....we are not comparing any damages that has already occured pre-emptively because of the use of conventional weapons...before this scenario of nuclear war is taking place in both the countries........

For india the solution is to damage as much as possible through conventional weapons before nuclear war is started....that is logically what india is doing right now.... both countries are on the right track.....


have your say......

Kind of old but here you go anyways from NRDC:

Indian and Pakistani Nuclear Forces

It is difficult to determine the actual size and composition of India's and Pakistan's nuclear arsenals, but NRDC estimates that both countries have a total of 50 to 75 weapons. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, we believe India has about 30 to 35 nuclear warheads, slightly fewer than Pakistan, which may have as many as 48.

Both countries have fission weapons, similar to the early designs developed by the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s. NRDC estimates their explosive yields are 5 to 25 kilotons (1 kiloton is equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT). By comparison, the yield of the weapon the United States exploded over Hiroshima was 15 kilotons, while the bomb exploded over Nagasaki was 21 kilotons. According to a recent NRDC discussion with a senior Pakistani military official, Pakistan's main nuclear weapons are mounted on missiles. India's nuclear weapons are reportedly gravity bombs deployed on fighter aircraft.

NRDC's Nuclear Program initially developed the software used to calculate the consequences of a South Asian nuclear war to examine and analyze the U.S. nuclear war planning process. We combined Department of Energy and Department of Defense computer codes with meteorological and demographic data to model what would happen in various kinds of attacks using different types of weapons.

Also,

"Any Indian attack into Pakistan could lead to some of those scenarios. Nonetheless, Indian leaders reason that since their nuclear arsenal would survive a Pakistani first strike and hit back, Pakistan would never order a nuclear strike unless its very existence was at stake. "
"In February, Pakistani General Khalid Kidwai, chief of Pakistan's Strategic Plans Division, which controls Pakistan's nuclear weapons, said that should India threaten to conquer a large portion of Pakistan (including Azad, Pakistan's portion of Kashmir), destroy the Pakistani army, strangle Pakistan economically, or politically destabilize Pakistan, Pakistan might use nuclear weapons."


From CDI.org which basically shows that a nuclear war in south asia is highly unlikely. India is smarter than to do something stupid like that.

And in the case of there actually being a nuclear war the casualties on the Indian side would be approximately 0.5 to 0.7 times greater than on Pakistani side:

So basically, noone would win a war.

BUT if they actually do have the 200kt's then the outcome would obviously be different.

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

This kind of talk of India and Pakistan engaging each other in a nuclear war is totally pointless since neither country wants a nuclear war. In fact, no country wants a nuclear war. India needs the H-bombs as part of its credible deterrence primarily against China. Land/submarine based ICBMs carrying TN warheads with MIRVs, coupled with an effective ABM system will make India safe from possible Chinese aggression.

Pakistan is not a threat to India. China is, since asymmetry in conventional terms exists vis-a-vis China.

well i totally disagree with your opinion.....pakistan is a real threat to india.....or vice versa....historically these countries have fought wars multiple times....kargil war was the nearest i remember.....where the two countries fought with each other a covert war !!....with the use of heavy artillery..in some cases..even aircrafts were required for operation...and given latest situations emerging in pakistan..nobody can guarantee anything......isn't......i do not buy your opinion....and i believe indians are quite optimistic people on this planet...and they never learn from their mistakes.......correct me if i am wrong....

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

Hmm, you have asserted yourself yet again. I'm sorry I had expected some sense out of you.

you could have used this language earlier my dear...and not the "drug language" that you used earlier to me...

 

[makikirkiri]

and i believe indians are quite optimistic people on this planet...and they never learn from their mistakes.......correct me if i am wrong....

You don't seem to have even a bird's eye veiw of the indo-pak history .
India was never the adventurist. The wars btwn india and pakistan were pakistan's mistakes.They were consequesces of pakistan's greed

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

You don't seem to have even a bird's eye veiw of the indo-pak history .
India was never the adventurist. The wars btwn india and pakistan were pakistan's mistakes.They were consequesces of pakistan's greed

i hold an independent view...neverthless we are not here to discuss who did what historicallly...addd more value to thread....dont get obsessed...due to historical facts and figures...

 

[haawk]

Kind of old but here you go anyways from NRDC:

Indian and Pakistani Nuclear Forces

It is difficult to determine the actual size and composition of India's and Pakistan's nuclear arsenals, but NRDC estimates that both countries have a total of 50 to 75 weapons. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, we believe India has about 30 to 35 nuclear warheads, slightly fewer than Pakistan, which may have as many as 48.

Both countries have fission weapons, similar to the early designs developed by the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s. NRDC estimates their explosive yields are 5 to 25 kilotons (1 kiloton is equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT). By comparison, the yield of the weapon the United States exploded over Hiroshima was 15 kilotons, while the bomb exploded over Nagasaki was 21 kilotons. According to a recent NRDC discussion with a senior Pakistani military official, Pakistan's main nuclear weapons are mounted on missiles. India's nuclear weapons are reportedly gravity bombs deployed on fighter aircraft.

NRDC's Nuclear Program initially developed the software used to calculate the consequences of a South Asian nuclear war to examine and analyze the U.S. nuclear war planning process. We combined Department of Energy and Department of Defense computer codes with meteorological and demographic data to model what would happen in various kinds of attacks using different types of weapons.

Also,

"Any Indian attack into Pakistan could lead to some of those scenarios. Nonetheless, Indian leaders reason that since their nuclear arsenal would survive a Pakistani first strike and hit back, Pakistan would never order a nuclear strike unless its very existence was at stake. "
"In February, Pakistani General Khalid Kidwai, chief of Pakistan's Strategic Plans Division, which controls Pakistan's nuclear weapons, said that should India threaten to conquer a large portion of Pakistan (including Azad, Pakistan's portion of Kashmir), destroy the Pakistani army, strangle Pakistan economically, or politically destabilize Pakistan, Pakistan might use nuclear weapons."


From CDI.org which basically shows that a nuclear war in south asia is highly unlikely. India is smarter than to do something stupid like that.

And in the case of there actually being a nuclear war the casualties on the Indian side would be approximately 1.5 to 1.7 times greater than on Pakistani side:

So basically, noone would win a war.

BUT if they actually do have the 200kt's then the outcome would obviously be different.

err according to your own posts estimates pakistan(1,171,879 )has more casualties than india(1,690,702).....then how could india suffer more casualties -this seen in your own post just before the table that you have put up.

 

[yakub qureshi]

But the fact is pak does not have a 200 kt nuke plus indian
awacs + PAD + AAD + RAW moreover american and russians will not allow this because of their huge market and investments.
Pak generals knows that they will not servive indain nuke strike and their country will evoperate from world map.
Even if something like this happen pak can not reach down the south which are real indian jwels. In north the states like Bihar, UP rajasthan are not rich or tech or industrilised states.
Karnataka, TN, Kerala, Andhra are the states where our IT, biotech, space, navy, automobile capabilities are there. So god forbid in a worst case sinario only poor states with huge population will be effected.
And remember we have 2.5 crores people of Indian origion PIO and NRIs scattered in all over the world they will servive and built india and but in future people will ask Pakistan wo kya hota hai ???

 

[pmukherjee]

If they can blab around about a 200kt why not talk about the smaller ones?

No it is only for a domestic audience, to put certain doubts at rest. Read the text of the interview again, it will be clear why they waited for him to retire to give this statement. No one is blabbing friend.

 

[haawk]

If they can blab around about a 200kt why not talk about the smaller ones?

ha ha when they blab about the big one it means" be scared !!!!be really scared !!!!!!!!really really scared pakistan.....by the we do have small nukes also for some small surgical strikes " lol!!!!

 

[MadDog]

what a stupid post....
Shaheen II can reach anywhere in india....its 2500-3000km
btw....india's operational missile is just 150 km...better worry about
that ...i am not talking about those which u have tested...those
which have been handed over to the indian forces....its just 150 km.....

and just draw a radius of 2500-3000 km whole of india comes in it...
i dont know if yaqub qureshi's india is as big as soviet union....then i cant say anything....better wake up and see the real map...and check the radius...and wake up from the dream that pak doesnt cover whole of india

 

[yakub qureshi]

what a stupid post....
Shaheen II can reach anywhere in india....its 2500-3000km
btw....india's operational missile is just 150 km...better worry about
that ...i am not talking about those which u have tested...those
which have been handed over to the indian forces....its just 150 km.....

???? Wake up bro what about 300 kms range Brahmos supersonic missiles or Agni 2 inducted in India Army

and just draw a radius of 2500-3000 km whole of india comes in it...
i dont know if yaqub qureshi's india is as big as soviet union....then i cant say anything....better wake up and see the real map...and check the radius...and wake up from the dream that pak doesnt cover whole of india

what about PIOs and NRIs that are hundrend times more rich and educated than whole lot of upper class/middle class pakis

 

[pmukherjee]

well i totally disagree with your opinion.....pakistan is a real threat to india.....

Buddy, you are most welcome to your opinion. I was talking from a purely military perspective and not an emotional one. One is threatened by a superior power. That asymmetry for India exists with China and not Pakistan. Since attaining parity with China in a conventional sense is not possible, therefore India needs a credible nuclear deterrence against China. To reach further areas in China, ICBMs are required and there is always the trade off between range and payload. Lesser the payload, longer the range. That is where TN warheads come in as they pack a bigger punch for the same weight. This does not apply to Pakistan as range is not the issue with Pakistan. TN warheads are a necessity vis-a-vis China and not Pakistan.

 

[graphican]

You don't seem to have even a bird's eye veiw of the indo-pak history .
India was never the adventurist. The wars btwn india and pakistan were pakistan's mistakes.They were consequesces of pakistan's greed

You are missing a whole good year my friend. Recall 1971 and revisit your imaginative opinion.

 

[makikirkiri]

You are missing a whole good year my friend. Recall 1971 and revisit your imaginative opinion.

you got me wrong.You are missing a whole good phrase my friend "pakistan's greed".Go to a neutral source (not pakistani imaginations ie your text books)and read what your forces did in bdesh.When refugees started arriving in millions india did what it had to do.