India may not admit it but its new deal with the US can change the balance of power in Asia

[The SC]

One should think of how many logistics bases the US can provide India with, because most US bases in the world are rented and exist on other sovereighn nations lands, so they need autorizations from these nations, and it does sound stupid anyways..
This deal is mainly a candy from India to get some sophisticated weapons from the US without much opposition from the senate and/or congress like they did concerning declaring India a major defense partner of the US..

 

[wiseone2]

As comapred to India, yes, they are very powerful, but as compared to soviet back then and US, not so ?
So what exactly are you trying to understand here ?

They did not help you because you disregarded their advice on East pakistan

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

One should think of how many logistics bases the US can provide India with, because most US bases in the world are rented and exist on other sovereighn nations lands, so they need autorizations from these nations, and it does sound stupid anyways..
This deal is mainly a candyfrom India to get some sophisticated weapons from the US without much opposition from the senate and/or congress like they did concerning declaring India a major defense partner of the US..

Believe it or not , a larger game is afoot. This isn't as much about confining China withing East Asia or even the SCS.It certsinly is about that but It's much more to do with the proxies PRC has unleashed .

Every N Test that DPRK carries out is another nail in it's & Pakistan's coffin & another taunt to the West , in particular the US but also Japan & RoK.

The more the tests carried out , the more the urgency in Washington DC to neutralise the N weapons & Fissile Material of both proxies of PRC.

We certainly do live in interesting times.

 

[salarsikander]

They did not help you because you disregarded their advice on East pakistan

Ok, So your point was that they did not help us. Whereas I told you they did with whatever they could. As soon as after the war they helped us build Heavy mechancial war factory and air complex and also got us f-7s. So what your point now ?

 

[The SC]

Believe it or not , a larger game is afoot. This isn't as much about confining China withing East Asia or even the SCS.It's more to do with the proxies PRC has unleashed .Every N Test that DPRK carries out is another taunt to the West , in particular the US & the more the tests carried out , the more the urgency in Washington DC to neutralise the N weapons & Fissile Material of both proxies of PRC.

We certainly do live in interesting times.

In that process the US will have to sacrifice a lot of its proxies too! So that makes it impossible for the US to attack _let alone neutrilize_ nuclear states like North Korea or Pakistan as you are covertly implying..

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

In that process the US will have to sacrifice a lot of its proxies too! So that makes it impossible for the US to attack _let alone neutrilize_ nuclear states like North Korea or Pakistan as you are covertly implying..

I doubt whether either the US or PRC is going to lose much sleep over that.The present situation is gradually turning untenable .You are soon approaching a state where the thought's gaining ground that allowing the status quo to prevail is infinitely much more catastrophical than destroying the status quo .

But give it time.You'd have your answers by the turn of this decade.Btw - if push comes to shove & given a choice between taking out the N arsenal of either DPRK or Pakistan , it's the latter the US would get after .

 

[The SC]

I doubt whether either the US or PRC is going to lose much sleep over that.The present situation is gradually turning untenable .You are soon approaching a state where the thought's gaining ground that allowing the status quo to prevail is infinitely much more catastrophical than destroying the status quo .

But give it time.You'd have your answers by the turn of this decade.Btw - if push comes to shove & given a choice between taking out the N arsenal of either DPRK or Pakistan , it's the latter the US would get after .

Mind Sanity will prevail.. and pakistan is no easy target eiter actually it is a harder target than NK..
Breaking the stats quo is much harder and dangerous than keeping it, the only way of breaking it is by a miracle or diplomatic breakthroughs..

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Mind Sanity will prevail.. and pakistan is no easy target eiter actually it is a harder target than NK..
Breaking the stats quo is much harder and dangerous than keeping it, the only way of breaking it is by a miracle or diplomatic breakthroughs..

You're wrong.There is little the US or the rest of the world knows about DPRK's arsenal , it's storage of fissile material ( very important ) , it's storage of N weapons ( in a De mated form - very very important ) .It's not known as the hermit kingdom for nothing .

Pakistan's a different kettle of fish altogether.Please bear in mind that the TNW's developed by Pakistan is as much aimed at India as it's a tool to blackmail the west.

The overt implications are that Pakistan would use it to counter the Cold Start Doctrine .

What's left unsaid is this could also be "disbursed in an emergency to non state actors who may chance upon it in a raid " - the ultimate end of days scenario & the stuff western nightmares are made up of.

The risk of a rogue group getting hold of a N device is higher in case of Pakistan as per Western estimates due to a compromise in their system .The same cannot be said about DPRK where the chances of rogue elements getting their hands on such a device is practically non existent .That & the fact that Western capiltals are distinctly ill at ease with a Muslim nation in possession of N weapons .

Pakistan is aware of this thought process & seems to have made the neccessary adjustments in the development of their N doctrine.

It's the ultimate cat & mouse game .

You may want to read this

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/the-pentagons-secret-plans-to-secure-pakistans-nuclear-arsenal/

 

[The SC]

You're wrong.There is little the US or the rest of the world knows about DPRK's arsenal , it's storage of fissile material ( very important ) , it's storage of N weapons ( in a De mated form - very very important ) .It's not known as the hermit kingdom for nothing .

Pakistan's a different kettle of fish altogether.Please bear in mind that the TNW's developed by Pakistan is as much aimed at India as it's a tool to blackmail the west.

The overt implications are that Pakistan would use it to counter the Cold Start Doctrine .

What's left unsaid is this could also be "disbursed in an emergency to non state actors who may chance upon it in a raid " - the ultimate end of days scenario & the stuff western nightmares are made up of.

The risk of a rogue group getting hold of a N device is higher in case of Pakistan as per Western estimates due to a compromise in their system .The same cannot be said about DPRK where the chances of rogue elements getting their hands on such a device is practically non existent .That & the fact that Western capiltals are distinctly ill at ease with a Muslim nation in possession of N weapons .

Pakistan is aware of this thought process & seems to have made the neccessary adjustments in the development of their N doctrine.

It's the ultimate cat & mouse game .
You may want to read this

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/the-pentagons-secret-plans-to-secure-pakistans-nuclear-arsenal/

So where do you see that I was wrong? you are saying the same thing as I pointed out, but with more details..
Pakistan has neutralized those western thoughts log time ago when it has proved the security of its nuclear weapon arsenal, tactical and else to the US, the UN and the specialized nuclear agencies..

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

So where do you see that I was wrong? you are saying the same thing as I pointed out, but with more details..
Pakistan has neutralized those western thoughts log time ago when it has proved the security of its nuclear weapon arsenal, tactical and else to the US, the UN and the specialized nuclear agencies..

What ?? I beg your pardon .You seem to be stressing on the fact that Pakistan's N weapons are secure & that it would be extremely difficult to seize & destroy them by the west. Hence , no such incident will occur.

I'm saying that irrespective of how secure these weapons are , the trust deficit growing by the day /hour / minute between the west & Pakistan will ensure such an eventuality however implausible it seems today .I'm not totally convinced of the efficacy of such an operation too but I believe that such an operation will be mounted in the not too distant future

P.S - That article is 5 years old .I don't subscribe to the conclusion drawn out in that article , if that's what you meant when you said I was in agreement with you.

I, merely provided you the link to confirm that such plans as to De nuckearise Pak by force do exist & are fairly well conceived , factoring in all the risks such an undertaking would throw up.How they translate in execution will bear witnessing .

After all , the proof of the pudding is in its eating .

 

[The SC]

What ?? I beg your pardon .You seem to be stressing on the fact that Pakistan's N weapons are secure & that it would be extremely difficult to seize & destroy them by the west. Hence , no such incident will occur.

I'm saying that irrespective of how secure these weapons are , the trust deficit growing by the day /hour / minute between the west & Pakistan will ensure such an eventuality however implausible it seems today .I'm not totally convinced of the total efficacy of such an operation too but I believe that such an operation will be mounted in the not too distant future

P.S - That article is 5 years old .I don't subscribe to the conclusion drawn out in that article , if that's what you meant when you said I was in agreement with you. I, merely , provided you the link to confirm that such plans as to De nuckearise Pak by force do exist & are fairly mature.

Well tell them good luck with that, it is just not possible!
In my opinion that is not possible..Although those Indian, Usraeli American plans had surfaced a while ago and they were neutraized at that time, there was nothing much they could do.. and where do you live China in all this?

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Well tell them good luck with that, it is just not possible!
In my opinion that is not possible..Although those Indian, Usraeli American plans had surfaced a while ago and they were neutraized at that time, there was nothing much they could do.. and where do you live China in all this?

China's aim is to foment trouble & be as far from it as possible when trouble erupts .They aren't going to sacrifice all the gains they've made in the past 3.5 decades for some ally .Allies are meant to be used & discarded once they've served their purpose .That's what Geo politics is all about & China is a past master in the art of real politik.

 

[Sanchez]

Indian Modi is playing his chess in the camp of anti-China gangs in which India gets attention being a power as well as ease of high tech import, investment and market access from US, Japan, Australia, Vietnam and etc.

It's a bit regretable that Modi isn't the wise guy who is willing to solve the historic conflicts either with China or Pakistan. That's stupid!

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Indian Modi is playing his chess in the camp of anti-China gangs in which India gets attention being a power as well as ease of high tech import, investment and market access from US, Japan, Australia, Vietnam and etc.

It's a bit regretable that Modi isn't the wise guy who is willing to solve the historic conflicts either with China or Pakistan. That's stupid!

In other words , you're asking Modi to parcel off Kashmir to Pakistan & Arunachal Pradesh to PRC.

A real pity he doesn't see things your way.

 

[The SC]

China's aim is to foment trouble & be as far from it as possible when trouble erupts .They aren't going to sacrifice all the gains they've made in the past 3.5 decades for some ally .Allies are meant to be used & discarded once they've served their purpose .That's what Geo politics is all about & China is a past master in the art of real politik.

That might happen to india as an ally of the US.. China and Pakistan (and also NK) share borders, so they are not going anywhere.. this implies that geography plays a crucial role in geo-politics as well as realpolitik..