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Agreed with most part except few things.Look we have our own very brand of talibs. Thrik e taliban Pakistan. Many people fail to understand that they are doing the same thing as afghan taliban. Not once they said we want a seperation from Pakistan or something. Infact they named themseleves Pakistani taliban, representing their origin and their country.
Just like afghan taliban has a goal to take back the government and establish an Islamic empire , Pakistani taliban also want to capture Islamabad and establish an Islamic empire.
You need to understand they are not insurgents, but terrorist.
The tools afghan taliban use is terrorism, bomb blast, attacks, assassination of their own innocent countrymen etc to achieve their goal, the same way the Pakistani taliban kill innocent Pakistanis to achieve their goal which is to capture the capital and rule .
They taliban whether Pakistan or afghan are nothing but butchers that kill innocent people.
Yes the afghan taliban achieved some sort of victory in Afghanistan but at the cost of what. How many Americans they killed?
50, 100.
But they have killed millions of Afghans.
They have killed millions and millions of innocent humans. They have killed the very humans they wany. Had they not killed so many, afghans must have long left us behind in population.
How any of pakistanis idolized them. How can you idealize them... Do you wnat them to rule your country? No. Or do you even want a madmen like zia radicalising the nation. No. We need to lose things and ease up. Become more normal and less radical. Become more conclusive and increase the acceptence and work towards the development on the country based on science and modernism.
Look at the like of oriya Jan taking about them like some Nobel warriors.
Would oriya let these barbarians rule Pakistan? Would you?
They are nothing but terroist. In Pakistan we have taliban in one corner of the country and (despite huge radicalization of pakistanis at the hand of zia and still we have the remains) the overall paksitanis reject them. Attacks make them even more unpopular and untolerable. And hence everyone supported action against them...
And we eliminate them at huge coast to our economy and huge loss to life.
In Afghanistan they control the rural areas , they do governance too. And in those areas there are no attacks .
Surprise surprise.
Why there were no attacks? Because the attackers live and rule there. And so people move in their areas and hence have some level of support from jahil.
Now why we should be happy, we have given them shelter for 40 years now. We have helped them survive. Now is the time to pay back. One, settle the border and other stop the interference of India and make sure to prefer Pakistan in trade relations.
That's it.
We Pakistanis are a modern nation. We don't need these filth or religious zealots here. Even if religion goes unchecked it too crests a problem. That's why true Islamic countries always govern madrassa, mosques everything from government level. Like turkey, central Asian countries, Arab countries.
Mosques and madrassa should not be left on their own to teach their own brand and political Islam.
I can spin alternative theories all day, but there is a small issue Gwadar or Chabahar all these ports never had potential at the time. Heck these names become familiar recently. Gulf countries reached its full potential in the 90's, by that time the Soviet Afg war ended so, I don't know again why would Soviets want to expand to Pakistan.The Soviets would green light India to invade pakistan as they please, while supporting them. You have a point that the Soviets themselves could bypass Pakistan if they simply block linked through afg and Iran to perhaps chabahar. We know that Russians have no qualms about whatever brutal tactics and obsessions their allies indulge in. Moreover it is highly probable that they would still support India in an invasion, without necessarily directly occupying Pakistani land.
As for incentives, it's the warm water port in the Gulf, access to the Indian ocean and shoring up the southern border with communist puppets/vassals/allies. What's not to like?
PTM is the continuation of the TTP...Agreed with most part except few things.
Afghan Taliban and TTP are two different groups. TTP was made by CIA and RAW to counter pakistan. The tactics of too groups may be similar but their goals are very different.
TTP main goal is to spread terror inside pakistan but afghan Taliban goal is to fight for liberating their country. Afghan Taliban never orchestrate any terrorist attack or bad mouth against pakistan.
Fortunately TTP is defeated and almost don't exist anymore.
One reason why afghan Taliban are popular and difficult to defeat in Afghanistan is their effective Sharia based court system which is not corrupt and slow like government courts where judges and police take bribe.
The afghan Taliban fight is nowhere close to terrorism because they are the true owners of Afghanistan,the first liberated afghans from Soviet Union ,later America provided afghans with better government,less crime and no drug trafficking.Thats the reason they are so popular overthere,one talib die ten talibs take their place.So after all those sacrifices of afghan Taliban a puppet punny American and indian based Ghani government has a right to rule Afghanistan?
Support of afghan Taliban by pakistan is not just a right thing to do diplomatically but also morally.But we must ensure what happens inside Afghanistan should stay inside Afghanistan. Their ideology works only in Afghanistan not in Pakistan.Its afghan society who accept that ideology pakistan completely reject it.Our relations with Afghanistan are cultural, historical and diplomatic but political ideology is vastly different and will remain different.
Agree to disagree.PTM is the continuation of the TTP...
Billions of dollars wasted,all trade routes to Central Asia blocked and with all anti Muslim violence in India now they will have a extreme anti hindutva government in Afghanistan. Long suffering is waiting...
Yes there should not be any doubt about it as things at this stage are pretty transparent and clear.Congratualtion!!!...From Indo Pak perspective in Afganistan, i beleive Pakistan won here...