India - Jobless engineer slits son's throat, takes poison with wife : Cops

[GHALIB]

You're like a parody of your own stupidity.

So you are not happy for the rosy picture i presented? Better tell what you think about your number one country ?

 

[Vapnope]

I don't understand how this thread warrants Pakistan and Communism bashing. A tragic incident has happened but instead some posters consider it their duty to bash communists and Pakistan.

 

[jamahir]

If communist were the answer why USSR got divided??

1. The Socialist USSR existed for 69 years and non-Socialist / non-Communist and extremely Capitalist India has existed for 74 years. The USSR was a superpower in every practical sense. Can you claim that the standard of living in the USSR was lower than that in India ?

2. Below is Google result for "Communism" :

Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. Wikipedia

What is your objection to such humane and wonderful set of thoughts ?

3. The dissolution of the USSR had unfortunate effects on the world and I believe not many people in the current world have the answer to why the USSR got dissolved.

Kerela is worst at providing job in India

Yes, Kerala should have invited the USSR's technical help to develop the state. But at least now Kerala has some companies in the computing field and truly useful companies in the automation field ( like automation of manhole cleaning and automated toilets ).

plus communist are busy smuggling gold..

Why do you use that one incident to blame all the Communists and Socialist in human history ?

Lol , if we discuss Pakistani social issues , we get immediately banned . You people can't face truth .

To be fair to the forum I have been allowed to discussion Pakistani social and political issues.

Communists are hypocrites like BJP and congress , for votes they supported extreme communal policies , they ruled 40 years in Bangal the state has become most unsuitable for industries .

Yes, Bengal just like Kerala should have enlisted the USSR's technical help for development.

Not as barbaric as Taliban or Isis… I don’t see people jumping from planes to get out of India…. Yet!

The Taliban uses whips and guns. Lynch mobs, rioters and such types in India use sticks, swords, guns and more. No difference.

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- PRTP GWD

From where did you get this bunch of unthinking statements ?

1. You want bullet trains between cities which have people who live in hunger, avoidable health complications, slums and in general socio-economic misery and disharmony ? Solve those problems within the cities first before thinking of joining those cities with bullet trains. How many people did not die of COVID complications just because of lack of proper hospital facilities ? And build new, actually smart cities.

2. About infra projects, totally revamp the cities by banning privately-owned personal transport vehicles ( cars, motorcycles and scooters ) and replace them with an efficient and enlarged system of mass public transport ( buses ) and taxis both of which can continue to run on petrol. This will not only reduce urban pollution but also will drastically reduce crime, road rage and chaos. There need not exist metro trains nor flyovers. And build houses and other buildings using modern advances like 3D Printing and train civil engineering students for this.

3. Farm reforms : Instead of handing over the destiny of farmers into the hands of the Capitalists reform the entire agricultural sector itself by building Vertical Farms and general Urban Farms within current cities and new Smart Cities and train and employ the current farmers and new students in these farms based on collectivized, scientific work. Build water pipelines to deliver water to such farms. This will make the cities and the country to be drastically more food-sufficient. This is the future of agriculture instead of gimmicks like drone surveillance that the Chinese are using on open land farms. This will be actual farm reforms.

4. Labor reforms : What do you mean ? And the government should first stop the managements of the Indian IT / ITES companies from discouraging the workers from forming employee unions. Allow unions in these sectors is necessary in most such Indian companies because they are run along Capitalist and modernized feudal lines.

5. Where have the Communists opposed computerization in recent years ?

The government should speak for creating employment in a scientific and harmonious manner that will not only advance India in social and economic parameters but will also contribute to humanity. The fields to work can be housing structures, agriculture, city planning, genetic engineering, synthetic foods, computing, artificial animal / human womb, mineral mining, nano machines, space flight etc.

He could have filed for bankruptcy and lived a fairly normal life.

He was an educated and middle aged civil engineer. If such a possibility existed he would have used it.

There are tons of scholarships for kids to continue their education.

Not so easy. Below is my thread from last year :

Indian woman student commits suicide because of no scholarship funds received

Trigger Warning: LSR Student Dies By Suicide Due To Financial Pressures As Per Note Soumyaseema Sun 8 November 2020, 12:02 PM IST Nowadays, it is not at all rare to see students stressed, anxious, or perplexed about their future. The ongoing pandemic has added to those concerns in every...

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Indians need to take mental illness more seriously.

This wasn't mental illness but desperation because of their helplessness in front of the unyielding and ruthless extremely Capitalist socio-economic system they were surrounded by. Just like those 300,000+ Indian farmers who committed suicide just between 1995 and 2015, many before and many after. Since education isn't free in India this family had to pay for their children's education but couldn't because the father was unemployed for months. Since housing in India isn't free and they had to purchase a house for which they had to pay monthly money installments but had no money because of the father's unemployment.

 

[MH.Yang]

There was a tragedy in India, and why blame the Communist Party?

If Indians can't shit, do they need to blame the Communists for weakening the gravity of the earth?

 

[GHALIB]

To be fair to the forum I have been allowed to discussion Pakistani social and political issues.

You are tolerated because you unknowingly fit in their agenda . Try to show them mirror you will be banned .

 

[jamahir]

You are tolerated because you unknowingly fit in their agenda . Try to show them mirror you will be banned.

Can you elaborate ?

And can you reply to the topic of this thread ?

 

[GHALIB]

Can you elaborate ?

Sir Since you are a secular progressive man , you discuss and raise issues related with indian social and economical problems , you are sincere and concerned for your country but propagandist and enemies of india use it for showing as if They don't have any problem . If we show them their reality they ban us .

 

[jamahir]

Sir Since you are a secular progressive man , you discuss and raise issues related with indian social and economical problems , you are sincere and concerned for your country

Thank you for you kind and sympathetic thoughts about me.

but propagandist and enemies of india use it for showing as if They don't have any problem . If we show them their reality they ban us .

I agree that a few non-Indian members do troll about India and are quite crude with their words but if you are logical with them and show that yes there is problem within India ( acknowledge that clearly ) but also similar problems in their own country and in other countries then either they can become civil with you or continue to troll. And if they continue to troll you can report that member. My advise to you and other Indian members is that other than the above I will ask Indian members to not become ultra-nationalist because that makes us lose the broader perspective. And if you lose perspective you will be more quicker to get banned. Avoid that.

 

[GHALIB]

Thank you for you kind and sympathetic thoughts about me.



I agree that a few non-Indian members do troll about India and are quite crude with their words but if you are logical with them and show that yes there is problem within India ( acknowledge that clearly ) but also similar problems in their own country and in other countries then either they can become civil with you or continue to troll. And if they continue to troll you can report that member. My advise to you and other Indian members is that other than the above I will ask Indian members to not become ultra-nationalist because that makes us lose the broader perspective. And if you lose perspective you will be more quicker to get banned. Avoid that.

Thanks sir
Will try to learn from you , I respect you and your mature ideas .

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

farms based on collectivized work

You want holodomor to happen in India?

- PRTP GWD

 

[jamahir]

You want holodomor to happen in India?

- PRTP GWD

No. And I don't know a lot about this event in Ukraine SSR and I will study about it but but did it happen in the Russian SSR or the Central Asian SSRs or Belarus SSR etc ?

 

[313ghazi]

So you are not happy for the rosy picture i presented? Better tell what you think about your number one country ?

Whatever the situation of our country - Pakistani discuss it honestly and openly with the intent to constantly improve.

You Sanghis will cheerlead even the mass funerals of your own families as victory for Modi Ji's bharat.

 

[Drizzt]

Jobless Engineer Slits Son's Throat, Takes Poison With Wife: Cops

Both the man (55) and his wife were in acute depression, according to a primary probe based on the latter's statements. Her statements also revealed that the couple had planned the entire episode nearly two to three days ago.

All India Reported by Anurag Dwary, Edited by Shatabdi Chowdhury Updated: August 28, 2021 5:27 pm IST

The incident occurred during the intervening night of Friday and Saturday, cops said.

Bhopal: A civil engineer, who was jobless for the last few months, allegedly committed suicide by consuming poison after slitting the throats of his teenage son and daughter with a tile cutter at their flat in a multistoried building in Madhya Pradesh's Bhopal, police said. While his 16-year-old son died of his injuries, 14-year-old daughter's condition is said to be critical, they said.

His wife had also consumed poison with the man but survived.
The incident occurred during the intervening night of Friday and Saturday in Bhopal's Misrod area, they said.

Both the man (55) and his wife were in acute depression, according to a primary probe based on the latter's statements.

Her statements also revealed that the couple had planned the entire episode nearly two to three days ago.

The police have also recovered a suicide note which says the man was unemployed for the past many months and that the family was going through acute financial crisis. "I was unable to pay the installments for our house and bear the expense my children's education," read the note. According to the note, he thought his children would not have a good future after his death, so he decided to kill them as well.

"The couple slit the throats of their children using a tile cutter and then consumed poison. While their 16-year-old son died, their daughter survived," Misrod Police Station Inspector Niranjan Sharma said.

The mother and daughter have been admitted to the government-run Hamidia hospital, while the bodies of the man and his son have been sent for post-mortem, he said.

A case has been registered in this connection, he added.

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Jamahir's comment : This is India where people live in poverty or in middle class poverty or in misery and decide to commit suicide or die involuntarily ( ill health, hunger etc ) because they don't have money to pay back interest-based loans or like in this case because of unemployment as in the Indian economic system a person engaged in non-government work will have to work to live, or suffer. Though it is a bit better for retired government employees who get pension which though gets reduced when that person dies and that reduced pension goes to his or her family.

@Sudarshan, still think I am being an "idiotic commie" because I speak about the socio-economic deprivation of many Indians ?

Bengaluru: Suicides touched 11-year high in 2020; experts blame Covid
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ted the highest,the years of global recession.

Only those will succeed who can reskill and adapt themselves with change in technology. Over specialization has its own demerits. I keep my skills spread out, and I'm always learning new things, to make sure I'm always in demand in the job market. And everyone should have a backup, in their native villages, if things don't work out in the cities. People in cities commit more suicide than in villages, because everyone in city is very uncaring and selfish.

Less educated migrant workers knew by instinct that they can rely upon kinship and kindness of people in villages more than city dwellers. They braved 1000s of kms of walk to their respective villages, over trusting some landlord and neighbors in the city. And, also most migrant workers are OBC SC ST, and city landlords and business owners are upper caste.

COVID-19 lockdown: 15-year-old girl cycles 1,200 kms to bring father home from Gurugram to Bihar
https://www.newindianexpress.com/na...ther-home-from-gurugram-to-bihar-2145798.html
When upper caste media asked her if she wants to make a career in cycling, she replied that she wants to study further. Quite proud of her and other others who broke the exploitation trap made by upper caste in cities, to exploit the marginalized. Upper caste were planning to exploit them to take advantage of their desperation.

India: Suspension Of Labour Laws Amidst Covid-19
https://www.mondaq.com/india/employ...398/suspension-of-labour-laws-amidst-covid-19

Now, upper caste BJP party is trying to expand the cities into the villages, by bringing in farm laws. so these people have nowhere to run to.

Why Shudra Farmers Are Indeed 'Andolanjeevis'
The productive castes in India, mostly Shudras, are in an everyday andolan on account of their caste. And thus, PM Modi's words reflect arrogance and ignorance, both.
https://thewire.in/caste/shudra-far...odis-remark-smacks-of-arrogance-and-ignorance


The farmers’ protest and the new Shudra consciousness
https://www.forwardpress.in/2021/05/the-farmers-protest-and-the-new-shudra-consciousness/


To counter this farm laws, Caste census demand spiked by all OBC SC ST, BJP can't escape from Caste census now. Nor can the upper caste dominated bureaucracy sabotage it like 2011 social economic census, too many OBC SC ST in govt jobs now, for upper cast to try the same move.

BJP’s OBC line has silenced RSS Brahmins. But Shudras key to anti-Muslim battles
The RSS knows that Shudra agrarian communities across India are re-assessing their status in all spheres of life — spiritual, social, educational and economic.
https://theprint.in/opinion/bjps-ob...ut-shudras-key-to-anti-muslim-battles/716709/

 

[jamahir]

Bengaluru: Suicides touched 11-year high in 2020; experts blame Covid
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/suicides-touched-11-year-high-in-2020-experts-blame-covid/articleshow/80605949.cms#:~:text=BENGALURU: Bengaluru reported the highest,the years of global recession.

India's socio-economic system in the cities for the middle class ( any variety of this ) is built upon wage slavery and month to month existence in general. And India probably is the most competitive society in the world. A dog-eat-dog society. The basic necessities ( housing, basic food, education, healthcare, electricity, water etc ) are all not free. Hence, like I said earlier, it becomes desperation through helplessness in front of the unmoving and ruthless socio-economic system that the citizen has to endure. Some continue to exist in misery, some commit suicide, like those youths in your linked article or like about the family in this thread's OP.

Only those will succeed who can reskill and adapt themselves with change in technology.

Sorry but that is quite a ruthless and incomplete statement. While yes in the current, unnecessarily highly competitive employment system an individual can choose, if they get the opportunity, to reskill It is really the job of the governance system to ensure a scientific and societally useful employment system and workforce. For example on mostly-non-useful employment / skilling, there are 2+ million computer engineers in India yet there is not a single Indian / local / indigenous design of the two most fundamental elements in a classical computer - the microprocessor and the operating system. I can speak with some authority about this because I have been designing these two things for the last few years and hope to start a company to commercially develop them. But what of those two million, with many of them being PhDs and all ? What has been their use to India at the least and the world next ? What has the government been doing about this ? What are the skills of these two million ?

I will speak about the topic of agriculture. If the government would have actually built 100 new actually Smart Cities the cities would have had neighborhood-level Vertical Farms and general Urban Farms and the cities being connected by big water pipelines ( like the Libyan project - Great Manmade River project ) and the farms worked upon by basis of collectivized labor and used computer-controlled plant / tree / crop management. All these new elements would have necessitated the employment and upskilling of farmers, computer engineers, civil engineers ( I will remind of the main topic of this thread ), civil security specialists, landscape architects, public transport designers etc.

Over specialization has its own demerits. I keep my skills spread out, and I'm always learning new things, to make sure I'm always in demand in the job market.

Yes, to be a jack of all trades is a good thing.

People in cities commit more suicide than in villages, because everyone in city is very uncaring and selfish.

But it's not like Indian villages are founts of Ideal Communist caringness and harmony. Don't honor killings happen there ? Don't land disputes happen ? And why do farmer suicides happen there ( just between 1995 and 2015 more than 300,000 farmers committed suicide mainly because of the 3000-year-old "Indian" extremely Capitalist socio-economic system. 300,000+ can be the population of a town ! These farmers should have organized and revolted ) ? Do the relatives and neighbors of these about-to-suicide farmers help them survive ? Or are they able to ? Indian villages have the same socio-economic problems as Indian cities. All should organize or at least support progressive individuals and groups and help change the country.

Less educated migrant workers knew by instinct that they can rely upon kinship and kindness of people in villages more than city dwellers. They braved 1000s of kms of walk to their respective villages, over trusting some landlord and neighbors in the city.

That is because life in the village is a bit cheaper than life in the city.

COVID-19 lockdown: 15-year-old girl cycles 1,200 kms to bring father home from Gurugram to Bihar
https://www.newindianexpress.com/na...ther-home-from-gurugram-to-bihar-2145798.html
When upper caste media asked her if she wants to make a career in cycling, she replied that she wants to study further. Quite proud of her and other others who broke the exploitation trap made by upper caste in cities, to exploit the marginalized. Upper caste were planning to exploit them to take advantage of their desperation.

Agreed.

India: Suspension Of Labour Laws Amidst Covid-19
https://www.mondaq.com/india/employ...398/suspension-of-labour-laws-amidst-covid-19

Now, upper caste BJP party is trying to expand the cities into the villages, by bringing in farm laws. so these people have nowhere to run to.

Agreed.

Why Shudra Farmers Are Indeed 'Andolanjeevis'
The productive castes in India, mostly Shudras, are in an everyday andolan on account of their caste. And thus, PM Modi's words reflect arrogance and ignorance, both.
https://thewire.in/caste/shudra-far...odis-remark-smacks-of-arrogance-and-ignorance

Good article by Kancha Ilaiah.

The farmers’ protest and the new Shudra consciousness
https://www.forwardpress.in/2021/05/the-farmers-protest-and-the-new-shudra-consciousness/

To counter this farm laws, Caste census demand spiked by all OBC SC ST, BJP can't escape from Caste census now. Nor can the upper caste dominated bureaucracy sabotage it like 2011 social economic census, too many OBC SC ST in govt jobs now, for upper cast to try the same move.

I don't think the caste census will be actually required if the opposition parties and other progressive movements and individual activists and thinkers speak for a welfare state society for India within the next five years.

You tell me what will be the benefit of this caste census and the result in the next five years.

If the so-called nationalists ( we know who they are ) keep taunting the progressives of being "anti-nationals" ( please read this thread of mine ) the "anti-nationals" should preach for turning India into a welfare state within five years. The "nationalists" shouldn't technically have a problem with this. Please read this thread of mine about a proposal for a new socio-economic system which will eradicate economic classification and disparity, non-availability of basic needs, reasons for existence of most crime including societally-arranged socio-economic suicides and probably other things.

BJP’s OBC line has silenced RSS Brahmins. But Shudras key to anti-Muslim battles
The RSS knows that Shudra agrarian communities across India are re-assessing their status in all spheres of life — spiritual, social, educational and economic.
https://theprint.in/opinion/bjps-ob...ut-shudras-key-to-anti-muslim-battles/716709/

Another nice article by Kancha Ilaiah.

 

[Drizzt]

India's socio-economic system in the cities for the middle class ( any variety of this ) is built upon wage slavery and month to month existence in general. And India probably is the most competitive society in the world. A dog-eat-dog society. The basic necessities ( housing, basic food, education, healthcare, electricity, water etc ) are all not free. Hence, like I said earlier, it becomes desperation through helplessness in front of the unmoving and ruthless socio-economic system that the citizen has to endure. Some continue to exist in misery, some commit suicide, like those youths in your linked article or like about the family in this thread's OP.



Sorry but that is quite a ruthless and incomplete statement. While yes in the current, unnecessarily highly competitive employment system an individual can choose, if they get the opportunity, to reskill It is really the job of the governance system to ensure a scientific and societally useful employment system and workforce. For example on mostly-non-useful employment / skilling, there are 2+ million computer engineers in India yet there is not a single Indian / local / indigenous design of the two most fundamental elements in a classical computer - the microprocessor and the operating system. I can speak with some authority about this because I have been designing these two things for the last few years and hope to start a company to commercially develop them. But what of those two million, with many of them being PhDs and all ? What has been their use to India at the least and the world next ? What has the government been doing about this ? What are the skills of these two million ?

I will speak about the topic of agriculture. If the government would have actually built 100 new actually Smart Cities the cities would have had neighborhood-level Vertical Farms and general Urban Farms and the cities being connected by big water pipelines ( like the Libyan project - Great Manmade River project ) and the farms worked upon by basis of collectivized labor and used computer-controlled plant / tree / crop management. All these new elements would have necessitated the employment and upskilling of farmers, computer engineers, civil engineers ( I will remind of the main topic of this thread ), civil security specialists, landscape architects, public transport designers etc.



Yes, to be a jack of all trades is a good thing.



But it's not like Indian villages are founts of Ideal Communist caringness and harmony. Don't honor killings happen there ? Don't land disputes happen ? And why do farmer suicides happen there ( just between 1995 and 2015 more than 300,000 farmers committed suicide mainly because of the 3000-year-old "Indian" extremely Capitalist socio-economic system. 300,000+ can be the population of a town ! These farmers should have organized and revolted ) ? Do the relatives and neighbors of these about-to-suicide farmers help them survive ? Or are they able to ? Indian villages have the same socio-economic problems as Indian cities. All should organize or at least support progressive individuals and groups and help change the country.



That is because life in the village is a bit cheaper than life in the city.



Agreed.



Agreed.



Good article by Kancha Ilaiah.



I don't think the caste census will be actually required if the opposition parties and other progressive movements and individual activists and thinkers speak for a welfare state society for India within the next five years.

You tell me what will be the benefit of this caste census and the result in the next five years.

If the so-called nationalists ( we know who they are ) keep taunting the progressives of being "anti-nationals" ( please read this thread of mine ) the "anti-nationals" should preach for turning India into a welfare state within five years. The "nationalists" shouldn't technically have a problem with this. Please read this thread of mine about a proposal for a new socio-economic system which will eradicate economic classification and disparity, non-availability of basic needs, reasons for existence of most crime including societally-arranged socio-economic suicides and probably other things.



Another nice article by Kancha Ilaiah.

I'm interested in your classical computers, you have been working on. Most people work on a big idea but never care to do a proper market research and think about a practical business model. My advice is to do something you can realize fast and get experience about how your idea fares in the real market.

Fail fast is a philosophy that values extensive testing and incremental development to determine whether an idea has value. An important goal of the philosophy is to cut losses when testing reveals something isn't working and quickly try something else, a concept known as pivoting.

https://whatis.techtarget.com/defin...t is a philosophy,a concept known as pivoting.

Can your classical computer compete with something cheap like this ?
https://www.thingbits.in/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w-essentials-kit