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India isn't building a military to take on China

Oh, yeah, I knew it was coming. LOL :p:

Victory only in terms of Objectives achieved. If they were too victorious, why did they unilaterally withdrew their troops to pre-war position especially in the territories they had been claiming their own for years (Tawang), rather choose to keep barren Aksai Chin instead ?? Any guess ???? :p:
Same logic as below:
In the past , They could have marched into new delhi your administrative capital and annexe it but chose not to as it would be humiliation to the indian for ages.

Reason, they still treat u as a neighbor ever thought of that?
 
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Same logic as below:
In the past , They could have marched into new delhi your administrative capital and annexe it but chose not to as it would be humiliation to the indian for ages.

Reason, they still treat u as a neighbor ever thought of that?

:lol: ............ :lol: .............. :lol:
 
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Same logic as below:
In the past , They could have marched into new delhi your administrative capital and annexe it but chose not to as it would be humiliation to the indian for ages.

Reason, they still treat u as a neighbor ever thought of that?

Do you think we are talking about "The Age of Empires" ??? LOL :p:

In their wet dreams, they will march to Delhi. Just tell me how practical it is to logistically support and reinforce their troops that had marched to Delhi from the North-Eastern border of India, that too back in 1962 ???? Never underestimate the Mighty Himalayas Kid. :sarcastic::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
 
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I was right when I said "common charlatan".

I asked for a telephone number and you tossed a yellow pages directory on me?
You purposely want to send me for a wild goose chase/
You think people are that stupid to believe you this way?
Narrow down to what you think is right link for you to present to me - should you have any.

India or China not only borrow from the WB but also borrow from IMF and ADB. Furnish the same too Mr. Charlatan.

Bring on "specifically" all the details of what you have claimed earlier pertaining to the lending of both nations viz; China & India for the corresponding year. Or else - get lost with your humbug.

Been there done that - with the likes of you..
 
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I was right when I said "common charlatan".

I asked for a telephone number and you tossed a yellow pages directory on me?
You purposely want to send me for a wild goose chase/
You think people are that stupid to believe you this way?
Narrow down to what you think is right link for you to present to me - should you have any.

India or China not only borrow from the WB but also borrow from IMF and ADB. Furnish the same too Mr. Charlatan.

Bring on "specifically" all the details of what you have claimed earlier pertaining to the lending of both nations viz; China & India for the corresponding year. Or else - get lost with your humbug.

Been there done that - with the likes of you..
Details of each and every projects partially funded by World bank in China is there in that list... Project name, project id, commitment amount in millions ,date... Everything is there... Why act like a dumb man???
Even 32 million finance was there in that list...
http://projects.worldbank.org/P156507?lang=en
What more you want??? Are you not enough educated to conclude from that list??? If that is the problem tell me... I will spoon feed you...
 
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Details of each and every projects partially funded by World bank in China is there in that list... Project name, project id, commitment amount in millions ,date... Everything is there... Why act like a dumb man???
Even 32 million finance was there in that list...
http://projects.worldbank.org/P156507?lang=en
What more you want??? Are you not enough educated to conclude from that list??? If that is the problem tell me... I will spoon feed you...

What about the following as I said:
India or China not only borrow from the WB but also borrow from IMF and ADB. Furnish the same too Mr. Charlatan.

And yes, spoon feed me.
Just to save your own a*s
 
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Is India Ready to Take On China?

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...nding-enough-on-its-military-to-take-on-china


As the People’s Republic of China continues its rise, Asia and the world are scrambling to keep their balance. Among China’s neighbors and rivals, few countries seem willing or ready to counter the challenge it poses. Japan is struggling with decades of diffidence internationally and the strictures of its postwar constitution. The countries of Southeast Asia are divided among themselves about the virtues of growing closer to China, while Australia is split internally over the same question. Europe is distant, Russia a reluctant Chinese ally -- and, of course, the U.S. seems to have turned inward.



QuickTakeIndia's Aspirations



Only one country seems eager to deal with the ramifications of China’s rise: India. Across dozens of world capitals, confidence is repeatedly expressed that India will seek, in the decades to come, to balance China. And in no capital is this sentiment expressed more loudly than India’s own.



Yet, the unfortunate truth is that, however worthy this objective or sincere its expression, India’s actions speak otherwise. Its diplomats and strategists continue to dither about whether or not balancing or containing China should be India’s strategic objective. More importantly, the government isn’t funding the military capability it would need to manage China’s rise. India is short of cash and it is, unfortunately, starving its military.



Don’t take my word for it: Look at the numbers. The share of military spending in India’s federal budget has fallen below 1.6 percent of gross domestic product -- the lowest proportion since 1962. That’s a year instantly recognizable to every Indian, since it’s when India’s underpowered army was routed in a border conflict with China. (Far fewer people in China would recognize the date, for obvious reasons.)

In the 1962 war, India paid the price for years of under-spending on the military, as well as for its determination to remained “non-aligned,” declining to shelter under the American military umbrella. The parallels with 2018 are eerie. While India is closer to the U.S. than it was then, it remains similarly unwilling to embrace a full-fledged alliance. Successive governments have shrunk military budgets, even the proudly nationalist administration of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Meanwhile, as in 1962, India hasn’t moderated its tone towards China. It’s leading the opposition to the Belt and Road Initiative as well as seeking to prevent Chinese inroads into its neighborhood -- including, most recently, an apparent power grab in the Maldives.

One can perhaps understand the need to economize, given India’s tight fiscal constraints. But what funds are devoted to the military are going toward maintaining a 19th-century army in a 21st-century world. India’s army has too many men and not enough armament. One senior officer told a New Delhi-based defense reporter: “There is nothing in the defense budget except to pay salaries. Nothing for infrastructure creation, military station security, maintenance and repairs, maintaining critical war reserves, let alone modernization or paying for current deals.”

That concern is now part of the official record: India’s vice-chief of army staff warned a parliamentary committee that over two-thirds of the army’s equipment was “vintage.” According to him, the military doesn’t have enough money to pay for committed purchases, let alone replacing older arms. It can’t afford the 10 fighting days’ worth of ammunition it considers a basic necessity. The air force, meanwhile, is missing one of the four squadrons it needs to be at full strength, while the navy is so short of submarines -- it has 15 to China’s 70, and many of those 15 are superannuated -- that it sent its two newest subs out to sea without torpedoes.

Meanwhile, India is adding to its already million-strong army by raising additional divisions. And a decision recently to raise military pensions has meant that the amount spent on manpower will continue to grow over time.

All militaries lament a lack of resources, of course. And the Modi administration has certainly moved towards a closer strategic relationship with the U.S., signing some crucial agreements on cooperation between the two militaries. The problem, however, is that Indian politicians are simply unwilling to commit to modernizing the army if it means reducing its manpower -- even though Modi himself has admitted, “modernization and expansion of forces at the same time is a difficult and unnecessary goal.”

for example, the sort of white papers periodically produced elsewhere in the world. Meanwhile, defense procurement is notoriously politically sensitive; accusations of corruption tend to swirl around any major defense deal. Both the Modi government and its predecessor have been concerned enough about the political cost of such accusations to delay or cancel major purchases.

It would be quite understandable if India abandoned all attempts to balance China and instead concentrated on its quest to become a middle-class country. At the very least, though, an inward-focused India would stop its aggressive rhetoric about China. Nobody has ever claimed that “speak loudly and carry a tiny stick” is excellent strategy.

Instead, India has made it clear that it intends to challenge China in its neighborhood, its seas and on the world stage. The politicians’ egos are writing checks the military can’t cash. Metaphorically, that is: In actual fact, the politicians aren’t writing many checks for the military at all.





Cooling off: India, Russia can no longer rely on one another

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/co...sia-can-no-longer-rely-on-one-another-2598775

India needed crucial Militech which only Russia was able to provide hitherto (no nation came forward to offer a nuclear submarine to India), now the Russians would fleece India on the same. Thanks only to 10th pass Modi ending into Trump's lap.

Dalai Lama faces cold shoulder as India looks to improve China ties..

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...o-improve-china-ties/articleshow/63534020.cms


India/Modi lately knows (Tibet build-up) that China can screw it, hence surrendering its interests.

Uber shame on this.


Hehehehe the so called fastest growing Indian economy:

 
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India isn't building a military to take on China
Bloomberg|
Mar 29, 2018, 12.21 PM IST

As the People’s Republic of China continues its rise, Asia and the world are scrambling to keep their balance. Among China’s neighbors and rivals, few countries seem willing or ready to counter the challenge it poses. Japan is struggling with decades of diffidence internationally and the strictures of its postwar constitution. The countries of Southeast Asia are divided among themselves about the virtues of growing closer to China, while Australia is split internally over the same question. Europe is distant, Russia a reluctant Chinese ally -- and, of course, the U.S. seems to have turned inward.

Only one country seems eager to deal with the ramifications of China’s rise: India. Across dozens of world capitals, confidence is repeatedly expressed that India will seek, in the decades to come, to balance China. And in no capital is this sentiment expressed more loudly than India’s own.

Yet, the unfortunate truth is that, however worthy this objective or sincere its expression, India’s actions speak otherwise. Its diplomats and strategists continue to dither about whether or not balancing or containing China should be India’s strategic objective. More importantly, the government isn’t funding the military capability it would need to manage China’s rise. India is short of cash and it is, unfortunately, starving its military.

Don’t take my word for it: Look at the numbers. The share of military spending in India’s federal budget has fallen below 1.6 percent of gross domestic product -- the lowest proportion since 1962. That’s a year instantly recognizable to every Indian, since it’s when India’s underpowered army was routed in a border conflict with China. (Far fewer people in China would recognize the date, for obvious reasons.)

In the 1962 war, India paid the price for years of under-spending on the military, as well as for its determination to remained “non-aligned,” declining to shelter under the American military umbrella. The parallels with 2018 are eerie. While India is closer to the U.S. than it was then, it remains similarly unwilling to embrace a full-fledged alliance. Successive governments have shrunk military budgets, even the proudly nationalist administration of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Meanwhile, as in 1962, India hasn’t moderated its tone towards China. It’s leading the opposition to the Belt and Road Initiative as well as seeking to prevent Chinese inroads into its neighborhood -- including, most recently, an apparent power grab in the Maldives.

One can perhaps understand the need to economize, given India’s tight fiscal constraints. But what funds are devoted to the military are going toward maintaining a 19th-century army in a 21st-century world. India’s army has too many men and not enough armament. One senior officer told a New Delhi-based defense reporter: “There is nothing in the defense budget except to pay salaries. Nothing for infrastructure creation, military station security, maintenance and repairs, maintaining critical war reserves, let alone modernization or paying for current deals.”

That concern is now part of the official record: India’s vice-chief of army staff warned a parliamentary committee that over two-thirds of the army’s equipment was “vintage.” According to him, the military doesn’t have enough money to pay for committed purchases, let alone replacing older arms. It can’t afford the 10 fighting days’ worth of ammunition it considers a basic necessity. The air force, meanwhile, is missing one of the four squadrons it needs to be at full strength, while the navy is so short of submarines -- it has 15 to China’s 70, and many of those 15 are superannuated -- that it sent its two newest subs out to sea without torpedoes.

Meanwhile, India is adding to its already million-strong army by raising additional divisions. And a decision recently to raise military pensions has meant that the amount spent on manpower will continue to grow over time.

All militaries lament a lack of resources, of course. And the Modi administration has certainly moved towards a closer strategic relationship with the U.S., signing some crucial agreements on cooperation between the two militaries. The problem, however, is that Indian politicians are simply unwilling to commit to modernizing the army if it means reducing its manpower -- even though Modi himself has admitted, “modernization and expansion of forces at the same time is a difficult and unnecessary goal.”

The army’s manpower is raised largely from parts of India that are often crucial swing districts in elections. In addition, the establishment appears unable to codify its vision of security threats and an ideal defense posture through, for example, the sort of white papers periodically produced elsewhere in the world. Meanwhile, defense procurement is notoriously politically sensitive; accusations of corruption tend to swirl around any major defense deal. Both the Modi government and its predecessor have been concerned enough about the political cost of such accusations to delay or cancel major purchases.

It would be quite understandable if India abandoned all attempts to balance China and instead concentrated on its quest to become a middle-class country. At the very least, though, an inward-focused India would stop its aggressive rhetoric about China. Nobody has ever claimed that “speak loudly and carry a tiny stick” is excellent strategy.

Instead, India has made it clear that it intends to challenge China in its neighborhood, its seas and on the world stage. The politicians’ egos are writing checks the military can’t cash. Metaphorically, that is: In actual fact, the politicians aren’t writing many checks for the military at all.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ary-to-take-on-china/articleshow/63527264.cms
 
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India isn't building a military to take on China


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As the People’s Republic of China continues its rise, Asia and the world are scrambling to keep their balance. Among China’s neighbors and rivals, few countries seem willing or ready to counter the challenge it poses. Japan is struggling with decades of diffidence internationally and the strictures of its postwar constitution. The countries of Southeast Asia are divided among themselves about the virtues of growing closer to China, while Australia is split internally over the same question. Europe is distant, Russia a reluctant Chinese ally -- and, of course, the U.S. seems to have turned inward.

Only one country seems eager to deal with the ramifications of China’s rise: India. Across dozens of world capitals, confidence is repeatedly expressed that India will seek, in the decades to come, to balance China. And in no capital is this sentiment expressed more loudly than India’s own.

Yet, the unfortunate truth is that, however worthy this objective or sincere its expression, India’s actions speak otherwise. Its diplomats and strategists continue to dither about whether or not balancing or containing China should be India’s strategic objective. More importantly, the government isn’t funding the military capability it would need to manage China’s rise. India is short of cash and it is, unfortunately, starving its military.

Don’t take my word for it: Look at the numbers. The share of military spending in India’s federal budget has fallen below 1.6 percent of gross domestic product -- the lowest proportion since 1962. That’s a year instantly recognizable to every Indian, since it’s when India’s underpowered army was routed in a border conflict with China. (Far fewer people in China would recognize the date, for obvious reasons.)

In the 1962 war, India paid the price for years of under-spending on the military, as well as for its determination to remained “non-aligned,” declining to shelter under the American military umbrella. The parallels with 2018 are eerie. While India is closer to the U.S. than it was then, it remains similarly unwilling to embrace a full-fledged alliance. Successive governments have shrunk military budgets, even the proudly nationalist administration of Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Meanwhile, as in 1962, India hasn’t moderated its tone towards China. It’s leading the opposition to the Belt and Road Initiative as well as seeking to prevent Chinese inroads into its neighborhood -- including, most recently, an apparent power grab in the Maldives.

One can perhaps understand the need to economize, given India’s tight fiscal constraints. But what funds are devoted to the military are going toward maintaining a 19th-century army in a 21st-century world. India’s army has too many men and not enough armament. One senior officer told a New Delhi-based defense reporter: “There is nothing in the defense budget except to pay salaries. Nothing for infrastructure creation, military station security, maintenance and repairs, maintaining critical war reserves, let alone modernization or paying for current deals.”

That concern is now part of the official record: India’s vice-chief of army staff warned a parliamentary committee that over two-thirds of the army’s equipment was “vintage.” According to him, the military doesn’t have enough money to pay for committed purchases, let alone replacing older arms. It can’t afford the 10 fighting days’ worth of ammunition it considers a basic necessity. The air force, meanwhile, is missing one of the four squadrons it needs to be at full strength, while the navy is so short of submarines -- it has 15 to China’s 70, and many of those 15 are superannuated -- that it sent its two newest subs out to sea without torpedoes.

Meanwhile, India is adding to its already million-strong army by raising additional divisions. And a decision recently to raise military pensions has meant that the amount spent on manpower will continue to grow over time.

All militaries lament a lack of resources, of course. And the Modi administration has certainly moved towards a closer strategic relationship with the U.S., signing some crucial agreements on cooperation between the two militaries. The problem, however, is that Indian politicians are simply unwilling to commit to modernizing the army if it means reducing its manpower -- even though Modi himself has admitted, “modernization and expansion of forces at the same time is a difficult and unnecessary goal.”

The army’s manpower is raised largely from parts of India that are often crucial swing districts in elections. In addition, the establishment appears unable to codify its vision of security threats and an ideal defense posture through, for example, the sort of white papers periodically produced elsewhere in the world. Meanwhile, defense procurement is notoriously politically sensitive; accusations of corruption tend to swirl around any major defense deal. Both the Modi government and its predecessor have been concerned enough about the political cost of such accusations to delay or cancel major purchases.

It would be quite understandable if India abandoned all attempts to balance China and instead concentrated on its quest to become a middle-class country. At the very least, though, an inward-focused India would stop its aggressive rhetoric about China. Nobody has ever claimed that “speak loudly and carry a tiny stick” is excellent strategy.

Instead, India has made it clear that it intends to challenge China in its neighborhood, its seas and on the world stage. The politicians’ egos are writing checks the military can’t cash. Metaphorically, that is: In actual fact, the politicians aren’t writing many checks for the military at all.

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That was without doubt the most important factor. The Chinese crossed into the north bank town of Tezpur in Assam from Bhalukpong in Arunachal. Assam was virtually defenceless and could have been overrun in a short time. Then they decided to turn back unexpectedly. Perhaps they understood the futility of it all and didn't want to antagonize the local populace any more.
They attacked during the Cuban Missile crisis when other powers could not interfere.

It was the onset of winter and it was impossible to hold on since they did not have a supply chain and in the winter India would have kicked them out.

IT was a strategic retreat that let them create the illusion of a Victory.

They were smart about the whole thing , Nehru was dumb about the whole thing.
Please stop lying. We know who is the real invader.
PS: even in the Korean War(1950-1953). China will fight directly with the US(and the other 16 countries), and Macarthur will not lie to say that China is an invader.... Only India.

Believe me, if China is an invader, PLA will not be more difficult to occupy Delhi than to occupy Seoul.

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Scary Statistic: China’s Debt to GDP Ratio Reached 257 Percent in 2017

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...inas-debt-gdp-ratio-reached-257-percent-22824

According to the Bank for International Settlements, China’s debt to GDP ratio reached 257 per cent in 2017, higher than the United States’ 152 per cent, and more than most emerging economies. The IMF anticipates that by 2020 China’s domestic credit to GDP ratio will rise to 300 per cent. In May, for the first time since 1998, Moody’s Investors Service downgraded China’s sovereign credit rating.
OMG! Shocking -- a backward agricultural country and BBB- country like India, are they talking about debt?
Indian IQ has been affected by hunger??? OK, temporarily forgetting India is more hungry than North Korea....
 
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