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No.. ........tamils are not a caste no ?
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No.. ........tamils are not a caste no ?
None, because caste system has been abolished under Indian constitution.
None, because caste system has been abolished under Indian constitution.
No idea.. Do let me know if you find out..
What he meant was discrimination on the basis of caste has been abolished.So the conclusion is caste system exists in india. post reported with mods for spreading disinformation!!!
Not sure where you got the idea that ahmedis are backward.but about Muslims, they were always categorized as forward caste in India as they were . And also Muslims backwards like Ahmadiya Muslims etc. already fall within reservation of Hindu backward caste?
Bilal, what do you mean by "conditions", is it per capita income? life expectancy? literacy? work participation rate? female work participation rate? Infant mortality rate?Some might argue that Indian Muslims drop out of school early, & start working on family businesses or other things. Here is an interesting fact: while Indian Muslims have lower educational levels than other religious groups in India, they have higher education levels than Pakistani Muslims. But overall, their condition is even worse than that of Dalits in India, forget Pakistani Muslims. Educational levels doesn't always translate into good socioeconomic conditions for people.
...I would argue that the Madrassah education in India is one of the reasons why Indian Muslims lag behind, & institutions such as Dar Uloom Deoband & Jamaat-e-Islami Hind are detrimental to not only the future of Indian Muslims, but also of India.
Overall, there are a myriad of reasons why Indian Muslims lag behind, ranging from India's less-than-perfect social system, to the Muslim institutions, & the Muslim people themselves.
Bilal, what do you mean by "conditions", is it per capita income? life expectancy? literacy? work participation rate? female work participation rate? Infant mortality rate?
Compare all of these and you will come up with interesting conclusions. And no need to bring the average Pakistani Muslim, because that would be embarrassing as these would be even lower when you compare them. And this is DESPITE Pakistani Muslims being in the majority.
Not sure where you got that from. Have you ACTUALLY read the Sachar report instead of depending on media reports. The report is available for free you know. Only 3-4% of Muslims students actually attend madrassas first of all. Then there are govt. aided madrassas that teach both regular school subjects along with religious classes like convent schools.Madrassas in India are quite different from Pakistan. Even Hindu students attend them in India and there is no restrictions on the basis of faith for them to attend
Here is a report from UP itself
Daily Times - Hindus prefer madrassas to govt schools in UP
and from Bihar
Why many Hindu students study in Bihar's madrasas - Rediff.com India News
Just do a search on this an you will find plenty of news reports. The fact is that Muslims prefer sending their kids to private schools, if that is not possible, then govt. schools and then as a last case they will send them to madrassas. Atleast they will learn basic literacy there. Ofcourse there are other madrassas that are govt. aided which get funding and also provide good schooling too. So there are different perspectives here.
JI-Hind and Deoband in India don't preach political Islamic ideology or Khilafat system unlike in Pakistan. They do also run a number of schools and colleges including for girls and do not indulge in terrorist activities in the garb of social welfare unlike some other groups. So don't mix up the Pakistani versions of this organizations that are quite different from their Indian counterparts. For example, JI-Hind has even removed books and ideologies of Maududi from their literature. Yes we have our social conservatives who need to grow up, but the average Indian Muslim has the freedom to either follow or NOT follow what they have to say. No one can "enforce" fatwas for example.
Agreed, but the reasons you have given are not the major ones. Nor do you seem to have the proper picture of what exactly the Sachar report said. I suggest you read the report here
Sachar Committee Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sir, Muslims and other minorities in 'Hindu majority India' grew with much faster rate than Hindus in India, reducing population ratio of Hindus from 88% to 78% since freedom, since 1947, then dont you find liberal Hindutva behind it?
Why dont you compare "Hindu majority India" with "Islamic Pakistan" where population of minorities like Hindu/ Sikhs are now almost gone making Pakistan now a country of over 97.5% Muslims and over 1.5% Christian and rest Hindu/ Sikhs ? But the things didnt stop here, we now see Shia and Ahmadi minorities of Muslims on the gun point of Sunni majority who all fall within Muslims itself? isn't Hindutva little better than this current situation of Islamic Pakistan
while at the same time Muhajir Muslims find themselves to be cheated by partition of India in 1947? Mohajir leaders like Altaf Hussein come to India and cry of partition, giving a sense that they could be in a much better position while being with "Hindu majority India" than what they faced in "Islamic Pakistan"? Dont you think its the attraction of 'Hindutva' of "Hindu Majority India" which has made Pakistans Muhajir Muslims believe that they did a mistake when they moved to 'Islamic Pakistan'?
First, im supporter of giving reservation to Muslims as now we find Muslims not that much competitive enough to face competition of engineering/ medical/ CA etc examinations, hardly 2% to 3% from this community qualify in these exams under general quota while their population ratio is around now 18% in India. And also, I support giving reservations to Muslims within 50% quota for reservation, as, we at least need to have 50% seats available for general quota.
(Also for those who are unaware of reservation system of India, they would know that under general quota, all the candidates are selected regardless from which caste/ religion they belong to, but then under rest of 50% seats of reservation quota, students of backward caste are given admission/ jobs.)
from here, there is question, why do Muslims need reservation? 50% reservation for hindu backward is because of their backward background they had for so long than forward caste. but about Muslims, they were always categorized as forward caste in India as they were . And also Muslims backwards like Ahmadiya Muslims etc. already fall within reservation of Hindu backward caste? then why do we need any reservation on the basis of religion, while reservation in India is provided on the basis of backwardness only? And also, whats the reason that Sikhs and Christians are among the highest income religious people, above than Hindus in India, while Muslims are so backward? even if general quota of engineering/ medical/ MBA are always seen to be dominated by Hindu forward caste, Sikhs and Christians perform pretty good on the side of business activities and are among the higher income group than Hindus in India. so why Muslims arent that competent in India while they were also among the richest in India at the time of freedom, in 1947? Population ratio of Muslims have increased from 8% to 18% since 1947 but why couldnt they improve their education level/ competiveness with same rate?
Why do we find the second richest muslim of the world an Indian, Mr Azim Premji, second after Saudi King, and have seen Muslim president/ CMs in India but overall performance of Muslims is so low in India?
This is funny that even Lucknow, capital of UP, is known as city of Nawabs but now we find Muslims among the poor. But why, its they who have to find out as now per capita income of Sikhs is around 2 times to Hindus in India, then is there any reason why? Those who tried to perform good other than telling 'Nawabi stories' like Muslims, are now middle class like Sikhs / Hindus and live in new and better colonies of Lucknow, while old Lucknow of Muslim majority is now very poor.
also Sir, first you would check the datas and you will find population ratio of Hindus have reduced from 88% at the time of freedom in 1947 to around 78% right now. and here, is there any reason why those families who have 2-3 kids would grow, regardless any religion, but families made of 6 to 8 kids wont grow with same rate? Simply you cant give enough time to educate and provide enough resources to your kids if you have over 5-6 kids? Even if Christians faced the highest rate of population growth since 1947, more than Muslims in India, they always had good support from the Western nations who give heavy fund for conversion and then they support the converted Christian families also. But what about Muslims, why cant they learn from Hindus who generally have 2-3 kids and try to give them good education?