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India is trying to be Industrial giant with an illiterate, unhealthy labour force !

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Do manufacturing jobs require lots of education? I'm sure the high tech ones do but the rest?
Not higher education for those basic work, but basic education is needed.
Work ethics and efficiency must be guaranteed.

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Age, at least 16.5 year old
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Amartya Sen is very left wing, he made his career in poverty p0rn and was recently let go from his post as chancellor of nalanda university.

Like all the award winning jobless NGOs who advocated lefty policies when they were part of Soniaji's kitchen cabinet, he too is peeved that he does not have the same access to the current government as he used to previously. He will just have to get over his pique.
 
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Amartya Sen says 'India is trying to be Industrial giant with an illiterate, unhealthy labour force' !

Where poor are concerned, there is very little change: Amartya Sen

Agree to some extent - India’s under-performance can be traced to a failure to learn from the examples of so-called Asian economic development, in which rapid expansion of human capability is both a goal in itself and an integral element in achieving rapid growth. Japan pioneered that approach, starting after the Meiji Restoration in 1868, when it resolved to achieve a fully literate society within a few decades. As Kido Takayoshi, a leader of that reform, explained: “Our people are no different from the Americans or Europeans of today; it is all a matter of education or lack of education.” Through investments in education and health care, Japan simultaneously enhanced living standards and labor productivity — the government collaborating with the market.

Despite the catastrophe of Japan’s war years, the lessons of its development experience remained and were followed, in the postwar period, by South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and other economies in East Asia. China, which during the Mao era made advances in land reform and basic education and health care, embarked on market reforms in the early 1980s; its huge success changed the shape of the world economy. India has paid inadequate attention to these lessons.

But on the other hand it is noteworthy that Sen advocates the "Kerela Model" of economic development and often criticizes the Gujarat one - He wants the Kerela model to be implemented in India as a whole with proper modifications varying from state to state - Kerela model is a model based on improving health, education and quality of life for people - It fares extremely well in Human Development Index and is classified as a "High HDI" one - Gujarat doesn't even comes close.

BUT the fact that the Kerala model has not brought economic prosperity is in contrast with Gujarat, which has been corporatised in a dazzling manner but has abysmal development indicators.

Education has not brought with it the social enlightenment it should have - such leads were never built upon and converted into opportunities by Kerela. These gains through the Kerela model are increasingly becoming meaningless because they have not been built on. There has been no value addition.

Gujarat might rank low in social indicators but when it comes to Industries and employment - It has much more to offer than Kerela which is well ahead of it in those very same social indicators.

So we have two models to choose from. One, where the investor is wooed and social indices are given short shrift. The other where the investor is frightened off and social indices are commendable. Not much to choose from really, unless the two models are merged to make one glorious blueprint for India.

@scorpionx @Bussard Ramjet @LeveragedBuyout - your views.

Do manufacturing jobs require lots of education? I'm sure the high tech ones do but the rest?

Skill development is the key to manufacturing productivity - out of unregistered (or informal) manufacturing and registered manufacturing - the productivity and dynamism of the former is considerably less. Thus, only skills led manufacturing is capable of being transformative.
 
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The problem with the Kerala model is that there is no where left to grow. Despite high education levels,there are no jobs, the ambitious young all leave the state to work. It must be the only place in the world that you have to pay " onlooker fees " to someone while you do the work.

The social indicators in Gujarat have not kept up with the growth rate, but it is catching up, there is room to grow and eventually the state should have both.

I wonder how much of this is just culture. Gujaritis are great business people wherever they go in the world .as long as you are not actively stamping out their light they will figure out a way to make money from anything. They were pioneers in Africa, Middle East. Keralites have always had a good education system , several of the kings of Travancore were strong proponents of education and the arts.

History, culture and dumb luck of the draw all matters.

Amartya Sen is right, Modi Government is a huge failure.
Brother, I know your comment is tongue in cheek but poverty did not suddenly appear in the last year. congress had half a century to fix it.
 
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Agree to some extent - India’s under-performance can be traced to a failure to learn from the examples of so-called Asian economic development, in which rapid expansion of human capability is both a goal in itself and an integral element in achieving rapid growth. Japan pioneered that approach, starting after the Meiji Restoration in 1868, when it resolved to achieve a fully literate society within a few decades. As Kido Takayoshi, a leader of that reform, explained: “Our people are no different from the Americans or Europeans of today; it is all a matter of education or lack of education.” Through investments in education and health care, Japan simultaneously enhanced living standards and labor productivity — the government collaborating with the market.

Despite the catastrophe of Japan’s war years, the lessons of its development experience remained and were followed, in the postwar period, by South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and other economies in East Asia. China, which during the Mao era made advances in land reform and basic education and health care, embarked on market reforms in the early 1980s; its huge success changed the shape of the world economy. India has paid inadequate attention to these lessons.

But on the other hand it is noteworthy that Sen advocates the "Kerela Model" of economic development and often criticizes the Gujarat one - He wants the Kerela model to be implemented in India as a whole with proper modifications varying from state to state - Kerela model is a model based on improving health, education and quality of life for people - It fares extremely well in Human Development Index and is classified as a "High HDI" one - Gujarat doesn't even comes close.

BUT the fact that the Kerala model has not brought economic prosperity is in contrast with Gujarat, which has been corporatised in a dazzling manner but has abysmal development indicators.

Education has not brought with it the social enlightenment it should have - such leads were never built upon and converted into opportunities by Kerela. These gains through the Kerela model are increasingly becoming meaningless because they have not been built on. There has been no value addition.

Gujarat might rank low in social indicators but when it comes to Industries and employment - It has much more to offer than Kerela which is well ahead of it in those very same social indicators.

So we have two models to choose from. One, where the investor is wooed and social indices are given short shrift. The other where the investor is frightened off and social indices are commendable. Not much to choose from really, unless the two models are merged to make one glorious blueprint for India.

@scorpionx @Bussard Ramjet @LeveragedBuyout - your views.



Skill development is the key to manufacturing productivity - out of unregistered (or informal) manufacturing and registered manufacturing - the productivity and dynamism of the former is considerably less. Thus, only skills led manufacturing is capable of being transformative.

I hesitate to comment, since the Gujarat/Kerala models of development are unfamiliar to me, but since you asked...

I must take exception to his comment that "India is trying to be the first country to become an industrial giant with an illiterate and unhealthy labour force. I don’t think it can be done. To me, it’s one of the biggest problems." The origin of the industrial revolution is rooted precisely in those terms, with an illiterate, unhealthy workforce working in nearly lawless conditions.

@Chanakya's_Chant , you are wise in citing the development model used by the other Asian industrial powers. While I would disagree that literacy is a precondition for industrialization (low skilled labor does not depend on it, and what India needs now is mass employment, which means low skilled labor), I can understand the desire to dedicate resources to education and health. But at the stage of development that India finds itself, India literally cannot afford to focus on those areas. Japan, as the example you cited, did not initially concentrate on the masses, but rather on creating an educated elite ruling class that would drag society to industrialization by exploiting Japan's unique cultural emphasis on social harmony and deference to authority, so I am not sure it's the best example for India to follow.

Why not embrace the successful model of China's special economic zones? Coordinate with coastal Indian states to cut regulation, welcome foreign capital, and emphasize exports? India all too often puts the cart before the horse by demanding transfer of technology, when it should instead work on building up indigenous capacity. It's been proven time and again that the most efficient way to do this is to invite multinationals to set up operations in-country and train the workforce. That will build the skills and knowledge that will enable entrepreneurs to both set up their own operations, and recruit employees from this trained pool of talent.

India is a large country, so resources should be focused on a handful of select states, and gradually expand from there, as China (and Japan, long before) demonstrated. Through internal fiscal transfers, the growing wealth of the special economic zones can subsizide the development inland through a controlled, repeatable, and sustainable process.

I posted about the factors involved in high-growth development almost a year ago in my Emerging Markets thread, so I won't repeat the details here, but I think we can agree that the Indian government hasn't prioritized these factors. But if the government can begin to clear the obstacles towards development (and that's the challenge--not a proactive policy, but rather a reactive policy of forcing government out of the way of private enterprise), then the genius of the Indian entrepreneurial class will do the rest. With development will come the resources to educate and improve health services.
 
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I think he is a Nobel Laureate and he knows what he says !

What he doesn't say that if he has a political agenda or not. It is not wrong to affiliate himself with any political party, what wrong is selectively blaming one party for the misdeeds it is not responsible for. Somebody ask him, why there is malnutrition even after 60 years of Congress rule, and why Modi shouldn't run the industrial drive because of that.

With employment, major segment of the population can afford to have 2 times of nutritious meal.

Do manufacturing jobs require lots of education? I'm sure the high tech ones do but the rest?

No, it doesn't. Do you think the labors in iPhone assembly plants in Foxconn require a masters in Electrical engineering?
 
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