India is losing its hold on ITeS Services

[somebozo]

and i have seen India rise as the major hub of IT services, brushing all "falls and royal screw-up".......if india's IT industry was as bad as you have said, I wouldn't have got an intern at Amazon right now.....

Most of the so-called Indian outsourcing is really low end word..otherwise..India would have launched its own independent OS, that is not something derived out of *nix kernals, would have a reputable AV suite, an office productivity suite, a product development and programming suite, its own database, etc etc ..these are just few examples to make..the fact that India did not invent anything all these years is a testimony to the level of work being outsourced to India...

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work..when we had to deal with IBM or HP, it made it point blank sure that we will not be diverted to call centers in India or Egypt..we wanted to talk to the right person at the right time..experience with those half sleepy Indians was the worst..they repeated like a teleprompter without applying basics of logical trouble shooting skills.

And another gem, I quit IT industry due to massive influx of cheap Indians make too many royal screw-ups...and then leaving the job onto us for solving it...

Another example, I was designing a HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff..total time to do the job...2 Day...been struggling with HP and the stupid engineering they have assigned me for last three weeks and he is still unable to comprehend and keeps coming up with stupid logic. I asked him on what basis he has been hired on this position??? Next time I am dealing directly with a Gora in HP USA or UK..business as usual!

 

[Shadow_Hunter]

Most of the so-called Indian outsourcing is really low end word..otherwise..India would have launched its own independent OS, that is not something derived out of *nix kernals, would have a reputable AV suite, an office productivity suite, a product development and programming suite, its own database, etc etc ..these are just few examples to make..the fact that India did not invent anything all these years is a testimony to the level of work being outsourced to India...

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work..when we had to deal with IBM or HP, it made it point blank sure that we will not be diverted to call centers in India or Egypt..we wanted to talk to the right person at the right time..experience with those half sleepy Indians was the worst..they repeated like a teleprompter without applying basics of logical trouble shooting skills.

And another gem, I quit IT industry due to massive influx of cheap Indians make too many royal screw-ups...and then leaving the job onto us for solving it...

Another example, I was designing a HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff..total time to do the job...2 Day...been struggling with HP and the stupid engineering they have assigned me for last three weeks and he is still unable to comprehend and keeps coming up with stupid logic. I asked him on what basis he has been hired on this position??? Next time I am dealing directly with a Gora in HP USA or UK..business as usual!

u can say whatever u want dude.....the fact remains, Companies keep coming to india....google has started taking interns from indian colleges from this year, Facebook first office in india goes operational, Amazon entered india 3 years ago.....From this summer, the offices of Yahoo and NetApp will go operational too......probably, those companies don't know about indian IT industry as much as you do...why don't u tell them what you are telling me....probably god will throw some sense into them and all of them will pack their bags and go home....

 

[Developereo]

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work

What I have found is that outsourcing is like buying fruit. In terms of people working on your project, you have to carefully select what you are paying for. If you leave it to the vendor, you will get the rejects that nobody else wants.

When I was in NY, we outsourced a project to a company, also in NY. The IT staff there were the usual mixed bunch -- not specifically Indian or anything. When we joined (the client company), the project had been 'developing' for six months with little progress. The boss sent us to check up on the vendor. On our very first visit there, we talked with some of the staff and found out all the 'good' people were on other projects. The people assigned to our project were mostly clueless or beginners because our management had trusted the vendor and never followed up. Needless to say, we fired them and hired another company which we required to do the work at our location so we could assess their staff ourselves.

 

[LaBong]

Most of the so-called Indian outsourcing is really low end word..otherwise..India would have launched its own independent OS, that is not something derived out of *nix kernals, would have a reputable AV suite, an office productivity suite, a product development and programming suite, its own database, etc etc ..these are just few examples to make..the fact that India did not invent anything all these years is a testimony to the level of work being outsourced to India...

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work..when we had to deal with IBM or HP, it made it point blank sure that we will not be diverted to call centers in India or Egypt..we wanted to talk to the right person at the right time..experience with those half sleepy Indians was the worst..they repeated like a teleprompter without applying basics of logical trouble shooting skills.

And another gem, I quit IT industry due to massive influx of cheap Indians make too many royal screw-ups...and then leaving the job onto us for solving it...

Another example, I was designing a HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff..total time to do the job...2 Day...been struggling with HP and the stupid engineering they have assigned me for last three weeks and he is still unable to comprehend and keeps coming up with stupid logic. I asked him on what basis he has been hired on this position??? Next time I am dealing directly with a Gora in HP USA or UK..business as usual!

Never before have I seen a forum handler so appropriate.

 

[nForce]

Most of the so-called Indian outsourcing is really low end word..otherwise..India would have launched its own independent OS, that is not something derived out of *nix kernals, would have a reputable AV suite, an office productivity suite, a product development and programming suite, its own database, etc etc ..these are just few examples to make..the fact that India did not invent anything all these years is a testimony to the level of work being outsourced to India...

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work..when we had to deal with IBM or HP, it made it point blank sure that we will not be diverted to call centers in India or Egypt..we wanted to talk to the right person at the right time..experience with those half sleepy Indians was the worst..they repeated like a teleprompter without applying basics of logical trouble shooting skills.

And another gem, I quit IT industry due to massive influx of cheap Indians make too many royal screw-ups...and then leaving the job onto us for solving it...

Another example, I was designing a HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff..total time to do the job...2 Day...been struggling with HP and the stupid engineering they have assigned me for last three weeks and he is still unable to comprehend and keeps coming up with stupid logic. I asked him on what basis he has been hired on this position??? Next time I am dealing directly with a Gora in HP USA or UK..business as usual!

I really dont understand with all those really knowledgeable people like you,why Pakistan lags miles behind India when it comes to IT.Do you prefer to keep your talents hidden,only to brag about in forums like this? So me some implementation as well.....some real data,some ground reality,some actual information that shows Pakistanis have a good IT industry,rather than just tall claims...

 

[Vinod2070]

I really dont understand with all those really knowledgeable people like you,why Pakistan lags miles behind India when it comes to IT.Do you prefer to keep your talents hidden,only to brag about in forums like this? So me some implementation as well.....some real data,some ground reality,some actual information that shows Pakistanis have a good IT industry,rather than just tall claims...

Well, an industry that is clocking almost $100 billion and is on the way to clock $300 billion plus in just exports in less than a decade is likely to arouse envy and jealousy from some.

Especially the incompetent ones.

I have read stories of Pakistan matching or beating India in IT for more than a decade.

We are waiting......

 

[Vinod2070]

Making tall claims on an internet forum is a sure sign of incompetence in the real world.

HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff, my foot. I can't believe this person can write 10 lines of code correctly without an Indian team lead having to watch over his shoulders and correcting him.

And that is if he really passed his matriculation in the first place.

Some could be making the claim while doing what most Pakistanis do in the Saudi.

 

[Vinod2070]

Also the lack of basic understanding about what IT services entail shows a complete lack of basic IQ.

Something that is required in the IT field. Probably the reason why some would have failed.

 

[kingkobra]

I don't think so...our exports in IT are growing very strong and

The Indian IT industry recorded 19 per cent growth in revenues in the 2010-11 financial year to Rs 438,296 crore ($96.1 billion).

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-10-13/news/30270866_1_services-exports-software-and-services-revenues-cent-growth

 

[Vinod2070]

As one looks at the next 10 years, by 2020 India will hopefully be a $4 trillion economy, with possibly a $500 billion IT industry (including a $75 billion-or-so domestic industry). There has to be a recognition and acceptance of the fact by all stakeholders concerned that it will take a very different Nasscom to propel the industry from $70 billion to $700 billion than it did from 0 to $70 billion.

IT's a brand war that Nasscom has to win - The Times of India

Indian IT industry has met the predictions so far. When they talked of $60 billion exports a decade back, it sounded unbelievable. It was achieved nonetheless.

A $500 billion IT industry is going to need us to do things differently. There is no reason India can't do it.

We invented the whole offshoring paradigm that has changed the world of IT.

 

[kingkobra]

Most of the so-called Indian outsourcing is really low end word..otherwise..India would have launched its own independent OS, that is not something derived out of *nix kernals, would have a reputable AV suite, an office productivity suite, a product development and programming suite, its own database, etc etc ..these are just few examples to make..the fact that India did not invent anything all these years is a testimony to the level of work being outsourced to India...

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work..when we had to deal with IBM or HP, it made it point blank sure that we will not be diverted to call centers in India or Egypt..we wanted to talk to the right person at the right time..experience with those half sleepy Indians was the worst..they repeated like a teleprompter without applying basics of logical trouble shooting skills.

And another gem, I quit IT industry due to massive influx of cheap Indians make too many royal screw-ups...and then leaving the job onto us for solving it...

Another example, I was designing a HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff..total time to do the job...2 Day...been struggling with HP and the stupid engineering they have assigned me for last three weeks and he is still unable to comprehend and keeps coming up with stupid logic. I asked him on what basis he has been hired on this position??? Next time I am dealing directly with a Gora in HP USA or UK..business as usual!

low end or whatever...it earns us tons of money and a descent lifestyle for millions....

 

[Dalai Lama]

This other day I wrote 10 lines of CSS and hacked the CIA database.

 

[Tshering22]

It is always good to have competition. But I am against this service industry concept of evolving an economy. It is so terribly dependent that many services exist that may not be needed by our clients in the West. OTOH manufacturing goods are something everyone needs no matter what.

So I think we should focus on manufacturing; NOT exactly cheaper than China because that would be impossible, but on quality goods (neither too high nor too low-- exactly in the midst). That way, India will slowly wean away from the service industry dependency. What's more, we have such a huge internal market that money with the right infrastructure would return back to our companies in the form of profits and due to a large domestic base, we won't need to be so over-dependent on foreign supply alone.

I think we must engage South America more. They have humungous resources... especially Brazil, Venezuela, Columbia, Chile and Argentina.

 

[Mech]

Most of the so-called Indian outsourcing is really low end word..otherwise..India would have launched its own independent OS, that is not something derived out of *nix kernals, would have a reputable AV suite, an office productivity suite, a product development and programming suite, its own database, etc etc ..these are just few examples to make..the fact that India did not invent anything all these years is a testimony to the level of work being outsourced to India...

Further, outsourcing to India is inversely proportional to quality of work..when we had to deal with IBM or HP, it made it point blank sure that we will not be diverted to call centers in India or Egypt..we wanted to talk to the right person at the right time..experience with those half sleepy Indians was the worst..they repeated like a teleprompter without applying basics of logical trouble shooting skills.

And another gem, I quit IT industry due to massive influx of cheap Indians make too many royal screw-ups...and then leaving the job onto us for solving it...

Another example, I was designing a HPC cluster for high end simulation stuff..total time to do the job...2 Day...been struggling with HP and the stupid engineering they have assigned me for last three weeks and he is still unable to comprehend and keeps coming up with stupid logic. I asked him on what basis he has been hired on this position??? Next time I am dealing directly with a Gora in HP USA or UK..business as usual!

Meanwhile in Pakistan......

^Savvy locals expressing love for Facebook...



Real people always carry a ten foot long pole when going anywhere near Pakistan...you figure out why....

 

[Vinod2070]

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Low end? Coming from?