India, Iran cradles of great civilizations: Iranian envoy

[LaBong]

you only think it has been. India has been referred to in some books when it's meant only the Indus region. Quite a few times it didn't refer to any of the space that is modern India. That is how twisted Indian history is.

Now you are lying through your teeth, pretty sad considering you wear the tt badge and history should be told without any bias, anyone just can google indica by megasthinis and bust your claim.

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He was a part of the ancient history of Pakistan imo.

It is same as saying someone who has born now what is taiwan, doesn't belong to the history of china.

 

[StandForInsaf]

Means the guy is claiming that Multan is more ancient than Harappa, Mohanjodaro and Lothal. What a jerk.

watch your mouth , i don't know why am discussing with you idiots..

The ancient city of Harappa was greatly destroyed under the British Raj, when bricks from the ruins were used as track ballast in the making of the Lahore-Multan Railroad.

Harrappa sites are also found multan and in between sahiwal

 

[patna_ke_presley]

you only think it has been. India has been referred to in some books when it's meant only the Indus region. Quite a few times it didn't refer to any of the space that is modern India. That is how twisted Indian history is.

LOL. You are really an illiterate. The word "Mahabharat" means greater India mentions about every major kingdoms of Indian major two of them are from present day Pakistan:-Gandhar & Sindhu.

Fact is name of Indus river is origin of word Hind for the people living south of Khaibar Pass. But Bharatvarsha aur Aryavarta metioned in ancient scriptures.

Also the your Pakistan government is maligning History, i read in ur government website. You Pakistani sometimes understand your 2 Nations theory(Muslim vs Hindu) and two ethnicity theory. Because Pakistan want to prove they are not related to Indians but more to Arabians and talks bullshit.

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watch your mouth , i don't know why am discussing with you idiots..

The ancient city of Harappa was greatly destroyed under the British Raj, when bricks from the ruins were used as track ballast in the making of the Lahore-Multan Railroad.

Harrappa sites are also found multan and in between sahiwal

Same was founded in Meerut also.

 

[LaBong]

To a greek in alexander period, india roughly meant land of indus and beyond.

 

[iMohammed]

ancient pakistan

anyway that's

 

[LaBong]

For modern day pakistan, indus is the epicenter of their civilization, while for a modern day indian indus is the frontier; both have stake in ancient indus valley civilizations.

Also there had been continuous eastwards shift of priority throughout vedic civilization, probably because continuous attack by nomad people of mountain to sedimentary society.

 

[r3alist]

India has changed so much, has had so many invaders that referring to an ancient past is fraudulent, people are trying to falsely claim the idea of ancient India. Tell me, who exactly in India or Pakistan can claim to have linkage to indus valley civilisation?

Everyone has come from everywhere, there is no Indian race, and race is crucial if we discuss these things.

It's like Arabs trying to claim the pyramids as their own, likewise how can an Indian claim connection to ivc? On what basis, myth?

 

[LaBong]

India has changed so much, has had so many invaders that referring to an ancient past is fraudulent, people are trying to falsely claim the idea of ancient India. Tell me, who exactly in India or Pakistan can claim to have linkage to indus valley civilisation?

Everyone has come from everywhere, there is no Indian race, and race is crucial if we discuss these things.

It's like Arabs trying to claim the pyramids as their own, likewise how can an Indian claim connection to ivc? On what basis, myth?

There are actually links between ivc and vedic civilization, however its too late for today, maybe some other day.

 

[r3alist]

Btw, I am not here to argue myths, but what's wrong with having ancient Pakistan??

If you can attach the word ancient to the nation state of India then you can do the same for Pakistan.

India has never existed as a nation state, it does now, it has definite Borders and the areas within these Borders have their own histories, from Tamil nadu to Delhi.

Well Pakistan is the same, the regions within it's Borders have an ancient history, ergo ancient Pakistan.

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There are actually links between ivc and vedic civilization, however its too late for today, maybe some other day.

As has been said, there are links between us and Africans as well.

 

[iMohammed]

P.S. calling Aryabhatta or Brahmagupta "Ancient Pakistanis" now is equivalent to calling them "British-Indians" during the first half of the 20th century(British-India). Just because we choose to call it Pakistan now, the history and the culture of the region then that produced the inventions or the scientific knowledge doesn't change. The Region (culture & People)is nothing like what it was during the ancient times.

Ancient India(Bharatavarsha as they call it) comprised of the areas that fall under present day countries of Pakistan,India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan(maybe) but the successors state of Ancient India is only India (for obvious reasons). And the Present day Pakistan, India and Bangladesh share common heritage of the medieval and British India.

 

[patna_ke_presley]

Btw, I am not here to argue myths, but what's wrong with having ancient Pakistan??

If you can attach the word ancient to the nation state of India then you can do the same for Pakistan.

India has never existed as a nation state, it does now, it has definite Borders and the areas within these Borders have their own histories, from Tamil nadu to Delhi.

Well Pakistan is the same, the regions within it's Borders have an ancient history, ergo ancient Pakistan.

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As has been said, there are links between us and Africans as well.

If you believe in Ancient Pakistan, then why you guys disowned Sanskrit Language instead feel proud of foreign Origin Persian language. Also, why you guys don't feel proud of Panini or Kanishka. Pakistanis mostly will talk about foreigners like Ibn Sina or Omar Khyyam. They are heritage of Iranians not Pakistanis.

 

[Hussein]

Iranians being cunning as ever.

When they want to court Pakistan they will mention Kashmir.

When they want to court india they emphasise pre-islamic past and make India feel big by equating it's past, to irans past.

In truth they are not sincere to either party, which is their perogative, but never forget how they pull the right strings.

Myself i didn't mention Kashmir ever in this forum.
It is possible to appreciate Indians AND Pakistanis. The problem between your two countries is very sad and painful for both your two countries.... but don't involve Iranians in this. This is something to solve betwwen you . We just wish you can solve one day ...

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Are you also syed?

yes that means like you arab ancestors but as you said a very long time ago...

 

[r3alist]

If you believe in Ancient Pakistan, then why you guys disowned Sanskrit Language instead feel proud of foreign Origin Persian language. Also, why you guys don't feel proud of Panini or Kanishka. Pakistanis mostly will talk about foreigners like Ibn Sina or Omar Khyyam. They are heritage of Iranians not Pakistanis.

Your point is neither here nor there.

I never said I believe in ancient Pakistan, but if we can have ancient India based on the nation state if India then Pakistan can join the club.

Logically I would like to view the ancient world according to the "divisions" that existed at the time, normally this is race, or boundaries, not nation states.

However so many people have come and left that what happened at that time is hardly relevant to anyone today, we are fighting over myths

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Myself i didn't mention Kashmir ever in this forum.
It is possible to appreciate Indians AND Pakistanis. The problem between your two countries is very sad and painful for both your two countries.... but don't involve Iranians in this. This is something to solve betwwen you . We just wish you can solve one day ...

I was speaking based on observation, I get the feeling Iranians think they are the most cunning of them all, sometimes they play one card, sometimes another, very little consistency.

 

[Bukhari.syed]

Nations are due to religion, not due to physical boundaries or languages

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Nations are due to religion, not due to physical boundaries or languages...

 

[zootinali]

P.S. calling Aryabhatta or Brahmagupta "Ancient Pakistanis" now is equivalent to calling them "British-Indians" during the first half of the 20th century(British-India). Just because we choose to call it Pakistan now, the history and the culture of the region then that produced the inventions or the scientific knowledge doesn't change. The Region (culture & People)is nothing like what it was during the ancient times.

Ancient India(Bharatavarsha as they call it) comprised of the areas that fall under present day countries of Pakistan,India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan(maybe) but the successors state of Ancient India is only India (for obvious reasons). And the Present day Pakistan, India and Bangladesh share common heritage of the medieval and British India.

That`s TRUE off topic : someone earlier wrote about carbon-14 dating in Multan .. did they any find human remains there ??