India in R6,000-crore JV with Russia for BrahMos’ air version

[Gessler]

Yes , if the company's representatives promoting their missile for export in International market were lying then this points hold weight not otherwise !

whether the representative were lying or whether there were mistakes in the reporting by journos,
prasun's claims still hold weight.

See , who's post I was replying to and who bothered to search the whole internet to find an analysis by a so called defense expert writing an Indian blog than talk of babble here !

actually i was following the zuhai airshow thread on TRISHUL and came across this bit.

i didn't search the whole internet for it, y'know.

 

[Secur]

whether the representative were lying or whether there were mistakes in the reporting by journos,
prasun's claims still hold weight.

Or both made mistakes at the same time , right ? ... The interview of the project director is available on the Internet mentioning these capabilities and the credibility of Jane is well known , there isn't any point in comparing it to some personal blog of an Indian ... But no wonder you will do anything to remain in your denial mode ...

 

[kurup]

See , who's post I was replying to and who bothered to search the whole internet to find an analysis by a so called defense expert writing an Indian blog than talk of babble here !

In a thread about Brahmos in India defence section , it is you actually babbling here .....

 

[Gessler]

Or both made mistakes at the same time , right ? ... The interview of the project director is available on the Internet mentioning these capabilities and the credibility of Jane is well known , there isn't any point in comparing it to some personal blog of an Indian ... But no wonder you will do anything to remain in your denial mode ...

mistake 1 is re-inventing the wheel by making an equivalent of decades-old Kh-15 Raduga.

mistake 2 is claiming its a carrier killer. IF a jet actually gets thats close to a CBG, than any Kh-15 or
even older missiles from soviet era can be called "carrier killers" new wine in old bottle.

a more effective carrier killer would be shaurya launched from submarines at Mach 7.5 and
range of 750+km.

 

[faithfulguy]

Why would Russia use a missile with 300km range when they definatly have same missile with greater range. And cost is important factor too.
Brahmos is Indian need. Not Russian.
Many people replied the same in many threads. But people like you couldn't grasp it or don't want to grasp.

Actually, it meets Indian needs because of export control of long range missiles. Russians can produce longer range missiles. India is stuck with Brahmos.

 

[kurup]

Actually, it meets Indian needs because of export control of long range missiles. Russians can produce longer range missiles. India is stuck with Brahmos.

Brahmos is a 500 km range missile .That is no means a short range missile.

Besides for longer range , read LRCM

 

[sancho]

Actually, it meets Indian needs because of export control of long range missiles. Russians can produce longer range missiles. India is stuck with Brahmos.

Which is wrong for many reasons (as usual in your posts ), to start with Brahmos is not a range limited missile, but it's a further improved P-800 Oniks, which also has a range up to 300Km only:

SS-N-26 Yakhont/Oniks P-800



Firing range, km:
mixed trajectory up to 300
low trajectory 120

SS-N-26 Yakhont/Oniks P-800 | Russian Military Analysis

3M55 Oniks / P-800 Yakhont / P-800 Bolid / SS-N-26

The supersonic P-800 Yakhont (Gem) is a ramjet version of P-80 Zubr [SS-N-7 Starbright]. The Yakhont missile has a range of 300 kilometers

P-800 Yakhont 3M-55 P-800 Bolid SS-N-26

Russia to honor deal to sell P-800 anti-ship missiles to Syria

The P-800 Yakhont missiles (known as P-800 Oniks in Russia) have a range of 300 kilometers

Russia to honor deal to sell P-800 anti-ship missiles to Syria | Defense | RIA Novosti


So if Russian navy would want to add a modernised version of the P-800 to their subs or vessels, because they can't carry the longer range but also much heavier and bigger P-700 Granit (Weight: 7000 kg, Length: 10 m, Diameter: 0.85 m,
Warhead: 750 kg), they would buy Brahmos, or at least the modernised techs to upgrade their P-800s.

 

[Sergi]

Actually, it meets Indian needs because of export control of long range missiles. Russians can produce longer range missiles. India is stuck with Brahmos.

You are so lame faithful you write this ^^^ in reply to your own post #107

India is stuck with Brahmos what about the production facilities and the tech Indians got ???
How hard it will be to add the new propulsion system ??? I guess you know that but you know

BTW I am happy with Brahmos. A 300 km supersonic arty like fire support in NE with step dive capability is not bad in that terrain

 

[faithfulguy]

You are so lame faithful you write this ^^^ in reply to your own post #107

India is stuck with Brahmos what about the production facilities and the tech Indians got ???
How hard it will be to add the new propulsion system ??? I guess you know that but you know

BTW I am happy with Brahmos. A 300 km supersonic arty like fire support in NE with step dive capability is not bad in that terrain

You need to be happy as this is the longest range missile for India. Many claims that its range is longer than 300km.And this could be true. But the fact is that Russia see no need to using this missile. This missile is for India only and I'm certain Russians know its strength and deficiencies vs missiles they have in their inventory. So they make their choice of not use Brahmos. India only have Brahmos to choose from so it's stuck with Brahmos.

 

[faithfulguy]

Why would Russia use a missile with 300km range when they definatly have same missile with greater range. And cost is important factor too.
Brahmos is Indian need. Not Russian.
Many people replied the same in many threads. But people like you couldn't grasp it or don't want to grasp.

How about Brahmos is a super weapon only for Indians. No one else deserve it? The truth is that India is paying for the price of a strategic weapon but receive a tactical weapon. This is why Russians won't buy this con job because they would screw the Indians, but they won't be able to screw their own military and get away with it.

 

[Sergi]

You need to be happy as this is the longest range missile for India. Many claims that its range is longer than 300km.And this could be true. But the fact is that Russia see no need to using this missile. This missile is for India only and I'm certain Russians know its strength and deficiencies vs missiles they have in their inventory. So they make their choice of not use Brahmos. India only have Brahmos to choose from so it's stuck with Brahmos.

How about Brahmos is a super weapon only for Indians. No one else deserve it? The truth is that India is paying for the price of a strategic weapon but receive a tactical weapon. This is why Russians won't buy this con job because they would screw the Indians, but they won't be able to screw their own military and get away with it.

really ???
Do you have the same opinion about your and Pak JV fighter ??? I hope not
Listen buddy the point being
India need Brahmos. Russia might have better option. And India is getting well worth of money. That includes the infrastructure and technology. But it look like your obsession with it making it hard to believe that India has got hands on some tech that you don't have . And I hope you know some weapons are better suited to some when others don't find it useful. Make use of some of your IQ why India go for this
Well and last time I read you were not obsessed with India is that changed now ???

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

You need to be happy as this is the longest range missile for India. Many claims that its range is longer than 300km.And this could be true. But the fact is that Russia see no need to using this missile. This missile is for India only and I'm certain Russians know its strength and deficiencies vs missiles they have in their inventory. So they make their choice of not use Brahmos. India only have Brahmos to choose from so it's stuck with Brahmos.

Even Russian now able to buy Indian type SU-30MKI planes for themselves , now a year back they ordered first bach of SU30MKI type plane for itself. Its not they cant get its about money also?

How about Brahmos is a super weapon only for Indians. No one else deserve it? The truth is that India is paying for the price of a strategic weapon but receive a tactical weapon. This is why Russians won't buy this con job because they would screw the Indians, but they won't be able to screw their own military and get away with it.

Well russian airforce was getting Inferior SU-30 for their airforce while IAF was getting superior type till now. Why did russia buyed inferior only to order SU-30 MKI type plane now?

 

[Safriz]

Air launched Brahmos is 2.5 tons and can carry 300kg warhead @ mach 3?

on impact say 1 ton of fuel has been conumed,and the remaining total mass is 1.5 tons,then the kinetic energy will be equal to


1500kg X 1020.9 m/s = 780300000 joules ?

this equals 186 kilos of TNT.

add that with 300kg warhead,then total explosive power becomes 486 kg TNT on impact...

but an MKI can carry one Brahmos?

JFT can carrY two 2 CM-400

CALCULATION FROM ANOTHER THREAD

Warhead size same as many other specs is unknown,but probably 100-150 KG

Starting Mass 900 KG...
Say fuel on board is 400KG,then at maximum range mass on impact will be 500KG?
500KG X 1872m/s (MACH 5.5) = 875716961 Joules

The total kinetic energy on Impact converted into equivalent energy Released by TNT explosion come as 200 KG of Equivalent explosive energy on Impact without Warhead..

Now add Warhead to equation..

Total Explosive power 200KG + 150KG = 350KG

How much damage an Explosion of 350KG of Explosives can do to a ship or a ground target?

TWO MISSILES COMBINED POWER WILL BE 350+350 = 700KG TNT

Thats more than air launched Brahmos.

 

[Gessler]

Air launched Brahmos is 2.5 tons and can carry 300kg warhead @ mach 3?

on impact say 1 ton of fuel has been conumed,and the remaining total mass is 1.5 tons,then the kinetic energy will be equal to


1500kg X 1020.9 m/s = 780300000 joules ?

this equals 186 kilos of TNT.

add that with 300kg warhead,then total explosive power becomes 486 kg TNT on impact...

but an MKI can carry one Brahmos?

JFT can carrY two 2 CM-400

CALCULATION FROM ANOTHER THREAD




TWO MISSILES COMBINED POWER WILL BE 350+350 = 700KG TNT

Thats more than air launched Brahmos.

your comparing apples with oranges. BrahMos is a cruise missile while CM-400AKG is more of a PGM.
CM-400AKG compares to Kh-15 Raduga of early 70s. Such weapons are obsolete and far phased out,
now here comes PAF inducting 50 yr old weapons and claiming its superior to BrahMos ALCM.

If CM-400AKG is so good, why doesn't china fit their H-6 bombers and JH-7 strike fighters with this
missile instead of CJ-10 and small n. of YJ-12?

 

[sancho]

Air launched Brahmos is 2.5 tons and can carry 300kg warhead @ mach 3?...

Based on your speculated specs, by ignoring the already stated facts that CM-400 don't carry a similar warhead, nor have the sustained speed of Brahmos. It's just amusing how hard you try to make it equal to Brahmos,

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