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India has turned Muslims into a 'persecuted minority': Noam Chomsky

A Muslim from India here. During my school and two years of college there was no "hijab" and burqa wearing. All of this is relatively recent.



Though I haven't read a lot by him I will accept what you are saying. :) I vaguely remember reading one or two articles by him criticizing the Western governments' way of looking at how human society operates.
is the new trend due to increased religiosity or it's a political statement ?
I personally think from 9th class, if religious muslims want to wear hijab it's fine. Below that kids should be allowed to have a free run.
But what do I know ? we have negligible muslims in my area.
 
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is the new trend due to increased religiosity or it's a political statement ?
I personally think from 9th class, if religious muslims want to wear hijab it's fine. Below that kids should be allowed to have a free run.
But what do I know ? we have negligible muslims in my area.

Well, the burqa has nothing to do with Islam. I will explain that in my post in that thread about that now "famous" burqa girl Muskan. So that answers the second part of your post about it being allowed. It shouldn't be, anywhere. Please wait for my post, I will tag you there. About the massive increase in its wearing, its just many people being misinformed and misguided of recent.
 
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Well, the burqa has nothing to do with Islam. I will explain that in my post in that thread about that now "famous" burqa girl Muskan. So that answers the second part of your post about it being allowed. It shouldn't be, anywhere. Please wait for my post, I will tag you there. About the massive increase in its wearing, its just many people being misinformed and misguided of recent.

I have noticed an increase in Muslims wearing religion specific clothing since 9/11. Those events were followed by a lot of Islamophobia worldwide and Muslims started asserting their identity more and more as a reaction, mainly in places where they were a minority. A Pakistani academic and a very good friend of mine also agreed and attributed this to a need to fight back, instead of obliterating their symbols and trying to blend in, because that would mean accepting their allegations and being apologetic about being a Muslim.
 
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is the new trend due to increased religiosity or it's a political statement ?
I personally think from 9th class, if religious muslims want to wear hijab it's fine. Below that kids should be allowed to have a free run.
But what do I know ? we have negligible muslims in my area.
It was a political stunt, create a controversy become famous and create a carrier of a professional activist. The same girl wasn’t wearing hijab before just another day came wearing it and expected the college to allow her.
 
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A Muslim from India here. During my school and two years of college there was no "hijab" and burqa wearing. All of this is relatively recent.



Though I haven't read a lot by him I will accept what you are saying. :) I vaguely remember reading one or two articles by him criticizing the Western governments' way of looking at how human society operates.

Did you also grow up in a cow meat free country of yours where no Muslim was seen eating it then and no wearing hijabs or spoke Ordu . I’m guessing you all the sane then, your diet then consist of lentils and vegetables. So the sane argument is here, political Muslims have hijacked faith and started again to eat nice cow meat as a bold statement of difference to others . Reason for violence attacks on your peoples! From dress to food.

Pakistan door is shut permanently!!!
 
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India has turned Muslims into a 'persecuted minority': Noam Chomsky

APPPublished February 12, 2022 - Updated a day ago









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A file photo of world-renowned scholar, author and activist Noam Chomsky. — APP

Renowned scholar Professor Noam Chomsky on Thursday said that Islamophobia has taken a “most lethal form” in India, turning some 250 million Indian Muslims into a “persecuted minority”.
“The pathology of Islamophobia is growing throughout the West — it is taking its most lethal form in India,” the famed author and activist, who is also Professor Emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said in a video message to a webinar organised by the Indian American Muslim Council, a Washington-based advocacy organisation.
Apart from Chomsky, several other academics and activists took part in the webinar on “Worsening Hate Speech and Violence in India”.
Chomsky also said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s right-wing Hindu nationalist regime has sharply escalated the “crimes” in Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK).

“The crimes in Kashmir have a long history,” he said, adding that the state was now a “brutally occupied territory and its military control in some ways is similar to occupied Palestine”.

The situation in South Asia, Chomsky said, was painful in particular not because of what was happening but because of what was not happening. There was, however, hope and opportunities to solve South Asian torment but not for long, he added.
Annapurna Menon, an Indian author and lecturer at the University of Westminster, urged the international community to focus on the status of press freedom in India as, under the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government, the situation has become a cause of concern.
“The situation on [the] ground is extremely alarming as four journalists have already been killed in 2022, simply for doing their job,” Menon said, adding journalists, especially women, have been exposed to all kinds of reprisals including harassment, illegal detention, police violence and sedition charges.

“The situation in IoK is even dire, where the journalists routinely face police questioning, ban on reporting, suspension of internet services and financial constraints in line with BJP’s recent ‘media policy’. The family of award-winning Srinagar-based photojournalist Masrat Zahra was subjected to harassment and intimidation by the Indian Police as a crackdown on the press in IoK continues to escalate," she said.

Fahad Shah, a renowned Kashmiri journalist who is the founder and editor of ‘‘The Kashmir Walla’’, was arrested recently by the police in Pulwama under terrorism and sedition laws, Menon pointed out. Similarly, Sajad Gul, another journalist of ‘‘The Kashmir Walla’’, was also arrested at the beginning of February 2022.

John Sifton, Asia Advocacy Director at Human Rights Watch (HRW), said the greatest threat to the Indian constitution was the promotion of majority religion by the Indian government at the expense of minorities.
“BJP and its affiliates are making hateful remarks against Muslims to gain Hindu vote around elections,” he said.

The BJP government had adopted laws and policies that systematically discriminate against religious minorities and other groups and it also stigmatises its critics, the HRW official said. He added the government enacted the ‘Citizenship Act’ to target the minorities, particularly Indian Muslims.
Social media platforms such as Facebook, YouTube and Tiktok, Sifton said, had failed to control hatred spread through their platforms.

The US Congress, he said, must weigh on the Indian government to convey their concerns vis-a-vis the violation of human and minority rights in India.

Angana Chatterji, an Indian anthropologist and scholar at Berkeley University, California, said prejudices embedded in the government of the ruling Hindu nationalist BJP had infiltrated independent institutions, such as the police and the courts, empowering nationalist groups to threaten, harass and attack religious minorities with impunity.
“Hindu spiritual leaders are involved in [the] ethnic cleansing of Muslims,” she said, adding BJP leaders and affiliated groups have long portrayed minority communities, especially Muslims, as a threat to national security and to the Hindu way of life. They had raised the bogey of “love jihad” claiming that Muslim men lure Hindu women into marriages to convert them to Islam, labelled Muslim immigrants as extremists and accused them of hurting Hindu sentiment over cow slaughter.

Since Yogi Adityanath became Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh (UP) in 2017, Chatterji said the culture of violence and impunity had taken root, pointing out that UP police had carried out hundreds of extra-judicial killings of suspected criminals belonging to minorities, particularly Muslims.

By the time protests against the Citizenship Amendment Bill spilt out on the streets of UP in December 2019, the police manhandled protesters, behaved in a vulgar manner with women, arrested whomsoever it wanted and framed prominent activists in criminal cases, she said.

As hundreds of thousands of farmers of various faiths began protesting against the government’s new farm laws in November 2020, senior BJP leaders, their supporters on social media, and pro-government media blamed the Sikhs as ‘Khalistani terrorists’, Chatterji said.

February 23, 2022, marks the two year anniversary of the communal violence in Delhi that killed 53 people, 40 of them Muslim.
Harsh Mander, a former Indian civil servant and human rights activist, said that while Mahatma Gandhi upheld the principles of non-violence, the Hindu supremacist ideology was currently being propagated by Indian leaders.

“Hate crimes have increased by a thousandfold during [the] BJP regime,” he said. BJP stigmatises and openly incites crimes against minorities, even Mother Teresa had been vilified, he added.

Muslims, Mander said, were falsely projected as bigots, unpatriotic, Jihadis and oppressors, adding that even Modi followed some of the hate mongers and refused to denounce them.
IoK, he said, was the most militarised region of the world.
Personally I do not see Noam Chomsky as an intellectual.

He is no better than Fareed Zakaria.
 
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watch the video again you stupid bot. It was a mob of skinny males in sandals holding banners with bright clothing of there god colours coming for trouble. The lady in question is free to dress in any styles she wants that’s what woman do you stupid smelly curry bot
A college has a uniform and uniform must be followed, if you disagree then feel free to join a college which allows Burkha, enough in Kerala.
 
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I have noticed an increase in Muslims wearing religion specific clothing since 9/11. Those events were followed by a lot of Islamophobia worldwide and Muslims started asserting their identity more and more as a reaction, mainly in places where they were a minority. A Pakistani academic and a very good friend of mine also agreed and attributed this to a need to fight back, instead of obliterating their symbols and trying to blend in, because that would mean accepting their allegations and being apologetic about being a Muslim.

I agree. In my Deccani state and in lot of India this burqa stuff and the mustache-less beard thing became so widespread in the mid-2000s. Before that none among my relatives wore burqa. Now many do, sadly. In my neighborhood there are even some idiot males who wear the Arabic male dress called thawb I am sure because they think it makes them "as Muslim as the holy Arabs". I have seen pictures on the internet of I think South Asian Muslims in Britain wearing the thawb. The Arabs must be laughing. This is all so ridiculous.

You speak of symbols being used as the means to fight back against Islamophobia. That is partly the truth and it is sad that decades of work done by progressive Muslims in many societies was destroyed by the regressives and the irrationals among Muslims who brought back the burqa especially when the burqa has nothing to do with Islam. Look at this picture of the heroine in the famous Turkish TV series Ertugrul whose story is set 800 years ago. She doesn't wear the burqa :
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Decades earlier Muslim leaders were progressives. Now...

Did you also grow up in a cow meat free country of yours where no Muslim was seen eating it then and no wearing hijabs or spoke Ordu . I’m guessing you all the sane then, your diet then consist of lentils and vegetables. So the sane argument is here, political Muslims have hijacked faith and started again to eat nice cow meat as a bold statement of difference to others . Reason for violence attacks on your peoples! From dress to food.

Pakistan door is shut permanently!!!

It is true that even in my teens I didn't know of anyone eating cow meat or, as goes for the beef, buffalo meat. But ( Muslim ) people surely ate beef in many places in India. My family and much of the extended family I know speak Deccani Urdu. As for "hijab" and burqa, like I said earlier, there was no such thing even in my teens. All this drama is a relatively recent thing.

But what is a "Political Muslim" ?

As for Pakistani door being shut, well, I am concerned for the rational people there including progressives like Leather Jacket Girl, Arooj Aurangzeb, whose group takes as inspiration the progressive Mashal Khan who was lynched by a "religious" mob in 2017. Pakistani recently had the "religious" lynching of the Sri Lankan and only two days ago of a Muslim. Pakistan needs a General Musharraf.
 
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I agree. In my Deccani state and in lot of India this burqa stuff and the mustache-less beard thing became so widespread in the mid-2000s. Before that none among my relatives wore burqa. Now many do, sadly. In my neighborhood there are even some idiot males who wear the Arabic male dress called thawb I am sure because they think it makes them "as Muslim as the holy Arabs". I have seen pictures on the internet of I think South Asian Muslims in Britain wearing the thawb. The Arabs must be laughing. This is all so ridiculous.

You speak of symbols being used as the means to fight back against Islamophobia. That is partly the truth and it is sad that decades of work done by progressive Muslims in many societies was destroyed by the regressives and the irrationals among Muslims who brought back the burqa especially when the burqa has nothing to do with Islam. Look at this picture of the heroine in the famous Turkish TV series Ertugrul whose story is set 800 years ago. She doesn't wear the burqa :
70d94247bae1313ccf8655847fbefded.jpg


Decades earlier Muslim leaders were progressives. Now...



It is true that even in my teens I didn't know of anyone eating cow meat or, as goes for the beef, buffalo meat. But ( Muslim ) people surely ate beef in many places in India. My family and much of the extended family I know speak Deccani Urdu. As for "hijab" and burqa, like I said earlier, there was no such thing even in my teens. All this drama is a relatively recent thing.

But what is a "Political Muslim" ?

As for Pakistani door being shut, well, I am concerned for the rational people there including progressives like Leather Jacket Girl, Arooj Aurangzeb, whose group takes as inspiration the progressive Mashal Khan who was lynched by a "religious" mob in 2017. Pakistani recently had the "religious" lynching of the Sri Lankan and only two days ago of a Muslim. Pakistan needs a General Musharraf.
Please don't comment on how Islam should be practiced in Pakistan. We Pakistanis know better.
Noam Chomsky is not that great of an intellectual.

But one thing is right, India has serious communal relations problems.
 
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I agree. In my Deccani state and in lot of India this burqa stuff and the mustache-less beard thing became so widespread in the mid-2000s. Before that none among my relatives wore burqa. Now many do, sadly. In my neighborhood there are even some idiot males who wear the Arabic male dress called thawb I am sure because they think it makes them "as Muslim as the holy Arabs". I have seen pictures on the internet of I think South Asian Muslims in Britain wearing the thawb. The Arabs must be laughing. This is all so ridiculous.

You speak of symbols being used as the means to fight back against Islamophobia. That is partly the truth and it is sad that decades of work done by progressive Muslims in many societies was destroyed by the regressives and the irrationals among Muslims who brought back the burqa especially when the burqa has nothing to do with Islam. Look at this picture of the heroine in the famous Turkish TV series Ertugrul whose story is set 800 years ago. She doesn't wear the burqa :
70d94247bae1313ccf8655847fbefded.jpg


Decades earlier Muslim leaders were progressives. Now...



It is true that even in my teens I didn't know of anyone eating cow meat or, as goes for the beef, buffalo meat. But ( Muslim ) people surely ate beef in many places in India. My family and much of the extended family I know speak Deccani Urdu. As for "hijab" and burqa, like I said earlier, there was no such thing even in my teens. All this drama is a relatively recent thing.

But what is a "Political Muslim" ?

As for Pakistani door being shut, well, I am concerned for the rational people there including progressives like Leather Jacket Girl, Arooj Aurangzeb, whose group takes as inspiration the progressive Mashal Khan who was lynched by a "religious" mob in 2017. Pakistani recently had the "religious" lynching of the Sri Lankan and only two days ago of a Muslim. Pakistan needs a General Musharraf.
Are you seriously using TV dramas and your personal experience to decide what something has to do with Islam?

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How about instead bringing some actual relevant Islamic scripture from Quran and Hadith to make this claim?
 
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A college has a uniform and uniform must be followed, if you disagree then feel free to join a college which allows Burkha, enough in Kerala.

so a government college passes a uniform dress code exclusively excludes one section of its society, sure , very progressive place.
 
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Please don't comment on how Islam should be practiced in Pakistan. We Pakistanis know better.
Noam Chomsky is not that great of an intellectual.

But one thing is right, India has serious communal relations problems.

1. Are you with Lal Masjid and against Aurat March and Mushy boy's raid on Lal Masjid ? What is the "Islam" that you want followed in Pakistan ? Didn't I mention three "religion" related lynchings in my previous post ? Do you support Mumtaz Qadri ?

2. Pakistan has as many seriously communal problems as India.

Are you seriously using TV dramas and your personal experience to decide what something has to do with Islam?

Those are based on reality and not the deluded beliefs of some irrational mullahs.

How about instead bringing some actual relevant Islamic scripture from Quran and Hadith to make this claim?

I have Abdullah Yusuf Ali's English translation of the Quran. Though I haven't read beyond the introduction pages three years ago can you please quote me the pages where the Last Messenger is quoted as imposing the burqa on women ?
 
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1. Are you with Lal Masjid and against Aurat March and Mushy boy's raid on Lal Masjid ? What is the "Islam" that you want followed in Pakistan ? Didn't I mention three "religion" related lynchings in my previous post ? Do you support Mumtaz Qadri ?

2. Pakistan has as many seriously communal problems as India.



Those are based on reality and not the deluded beliefs of some irrational mullahs.



I have Abdullah Yusuf Ali's English translation of the Quran. Though I haven't read beyond the introduction pages three years ago can you please quote me the pages where the Last Messenger is quoted as imposing the burqa on women ?
No, Pakistan has no serious communal problems like India does.

Pakistanis should follow the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Do not teach us about Islam when you know nothing about it. Or you base your perception of Islam based on Tv Dramas, which is quite pathetic and ludicrous.

1. Are you with Lal Masjid and against Aurat March and Mushy boy's raid on Lal Masjid ? What is the "Islam" that you want followed in Pakistan ? Didn't I mention three "religion" related lynchings in my previous post ? Do you support Mumtaz Qadri ?

2. Pakistan has as many seriously communal problems as India.



Those are based on reality and not the deluded beliefs of some irrational mullahs.



I have Abdullah Yusuf Ali's English translation of the Quran. Though I haven't read beyond the introduction pages three years ago can you please quote me the pages where the Last Messenger is quoted as imposing the burqa on women ?
Mumtaz Qadri was a murderer. In Islam murder the second most severe sin.

Salman Taseer should have been tried by the Pakistani government. You should never take the law in your own hands.

1. Are you with Lal Masjid and against Aurat March and Mushy boy's raid on Lal Masjid ? What is the "Islam" that you want followed in Pakistan ? Didn't I mention three "religion" related lynchings in my previous post ? Do you support Mumtaz Qadri ?

2. Pakistan has as many seriously communal problems as India.



Those are based on reality and not the deluded beliefs of some irrational mullahs.



I have Abdullah Yusuf Ali's English translation of the Quran. Though I haven't read beyond the introduction pages three years ago can you please quote me the pages where the Last Messenger is quoted as imposing the burqa on women ?
In Pakistan we never have communal riots on the same scale as in India.

Shoo Indiot!

1. Are you with Lal Masjid and against Aurat March and Mushy boy's raid on Lal Masjid ? What is the "Islam" that you want followed in Pakistan ? Didn't I mention three "religion" related lynchings in my previous post ? Do you support Mumtaz Qadri ?

2. Pakistan has as many seriously communal problems as India.



Those are based on reality and not the deluded beliefs of some irrational mullahs.



I have Abdullah Yusuf Ali's English translation of the Quran. Though I haven't read beyond the introduction pages three years ago can you please quote me the pages where the Last Messenger is quoted as imposing the burqa on women ?
You also have to look into the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the Hadith.

You really know nothing and now shoo!
 
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Any Indian here can confirm whether this small kids wearing hijab to school is a new thing from this year or it's been ongoing from many years ?
Because in my part of India, don't see any small kids wearing hijab.

I never saw hijabs or burkas in my school or colleges years and this fever started just from last year.



A college has a uniform and uniform must be followed, if you disagree then feel free to join a college which allows Burkha, enough in Kerala.

but I don't understand why, when there are lots of Urdu teaching and ultra religious institutions which accepts such religious dressings and still these guys want to send their children's to such schools which doesn't accept any type of such things. It just shows they want to attract more and more attention nothing else.
 
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A Muslim from India here. During my school and two years of college there was no "hijab" and burqa wearing. All of this is relatively recent.



Though I haven't read a lot by him I will accept what you are saying. :) I vaguely remember reading one or two articles by him criticizing the Western governments' way of looking at how human society operates.
Do read his work, you will love it.
 
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