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New Delhi fears significant military assistance to Afghan forces could create tensions with Pakistan

Afghan military commanders and intelligence officials have begun urging India to provide direct military assistance to the country’s fledgling armed forces following a series of skirmishes with Pakistani troops this autumn, highly placed government sources in Kabul told The Hindu.

Key equipment sought by the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF), the sources said, include medium trucks that can carry 2.5-7 tonne cargos, bridge-laying equipment and engineering facilities. India was also asked to consider the possibility of supplying light mountain artillery, along with ordnance, and to help Afghanistan build close air-support capabilities for its troops in preparation of drastic scaling-down of western forces in 2014.

The requests followed fierce fighting along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border that raged from July to September, in which both sides used artillery — and comes amidst fears that Afghanistan may be unable to hold together in the face of renewed jihadist assault in the run-up to the country’s Presidential election.

India’s Afghan test

For India, the Afghan military demands present a strategic dilemma, as well as the first real test of the Strategic Partnership Agreement signed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Hamid Karzai on October 4. The accord, Afghanistan’s first with any country, opened up the prospect of significantly expanding military cooperation far beyond training the country’s military and police personnel, India’s main contribution so far.

“India agrees to assist as mutually determined,” clause 5 of the section on political and security cooperation reads, “in the training, equipping and capacity building programmes for the ANSF.”

Now estimated at 3,52,000-strong, the ANSF cost over $4 billion to support—far beyond the government’s resources. Participants at the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation’s summit in Chicago this May agreed to continue to foot the Bill until 2017, but also sought “gradual, managed force reduction” to about 2,28,500. Kabul fears the social consequences of putting over 1,00,000 trained soldiers out of jobs, and worries that recession in the West could lead to a further scaling back of support.

Nor is there clarity on the precise nature of how many troops the United States will maintain after 2014, though its government has said some numbers of personnel will remain. Vanda Felbab-Brown, an expert at the Washington, DC-based Brookings Institution, recently warned that “if the definition of [the post-2014] United States mission then is only very narrow counter-terrorism for its own contingents and on-base counter-insurgency training for the ANSF, the United States may be severely constrained in providing crucial and necessary resources to the ANSF.”


Strategic dilemma


India, diplomatic sources in New Delhi said, however fears being sucked into a military relationship with Afghanistan that could enrage Pakistan — a country which has long worried that its northern neighbour could be used as a base for aggression by its historic eastern adversary. Islamabad has, in the past, alleged that India’s intelligence services are using Afghanistan to back secessionists in Balochistan, as well as jihadists fighting the Pakistani state.

“Frankly,” said Sushant Sareen, an expert at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi, “I think its worth New Delhi’s while to take the risk. Pakistan says it is happy for Afghans to decide their own future. It is time to put that claim to the test.”

President Karzai’s administration is engaged in a last-ditch effort to secure Pakistani support for the 2014 transition, by seeking its support for negotiations with Taliban leaders based in Peshawar and Quetta. Mr. Karzai has even offered Pakistan a strategic partnership agreement, like that signed with India. However, Afghan government sources said, the military leadership believe Indian assistance will be critical if these efforts fail — and snowballing violence within the country leads to future skirmishes along their border with Pakistan.

Fighting along the Durand Line — the 2,640 km frontier drawn by British administrator Mortimer Durand of British India and Afghan Amir Abdur Rahman Khan in 1893, but never ratified by Kabul — has erupted periodically since 9/11.

In the summer of 2003, the Afghan government claimed Pakistan established bases up to 600 metres inside its territory, along the Yaqubi Kandao pass. Even though the skirmishes that broke out were local, they set a pattern. In 2007, clashes broke out again when the Pakistan army sought to erect fences inside Afghan territory in the Angoor Adda area, along the border with South Waziristan. Like this autumn, both sides exchanged artillery fire.

The latest clashes, Afghan army sources told The Hindu, were sparked off by a succession of attacks by jihadist groups operating in the Kunar area, including the Lashkar-e-Taiba, which are alleged to have the backing of local Pakistan army units.


Keywords: Afghanistan elections, Afghanistan elections 2014, Hamid Karzai, Afghan military commanders, LeT militants, Afghan government Mortimer Durand, Durand Line, Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, Afghan National Security Forces


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We are with afghan in every problem. We have to fix issues in their country which include economy and security.
 
Nothing is going to change wrt Pakistan unless Kashmir issue is resolved. Do not screw up relations with Afghan due to Pakistan.

Not even after Kashmir is resolved. The Indo-Pak issue has many facets and political issues (Kashmir, Sir Creek etc) are just one of them. So I would not expect full peace even after the Kashmir issue getting solved.

Now coming to the Afghan relation - just few words - just give hem whatever they need dammit. We should be thanking our stars that such a situation has arisen inspite of us not doing much. We should not let go of the opportunity and take this golden chance to split the Pakistani armed forces into Eastern and Western fronts instead of their traditional "Eastern only" approach.

In a day and age when our own eastern front requires more reinforcement and army potentially needed in dealing with internal situations like Maoists, this splitting up of the Pak formation would be of invaluable help.
 
Not even after Kashmir is resolved. The Indo-Pak issue has many facets and political issues (Kashmir, Sir Creek etc) are just one of them. So I would not expect full peace even after the Kashmir issue getting solved.

Now coming to the Afghan relation - just few words - just give hem whatever they need dammit. We should be thanking our stars that such a situation has arisen inspite of us not doing much. We should not let go of the opportunity and take this golden chance to split the Pakistani armed forces into Eastern and Western fronts instead of their traditional "Eastern only" approach.

In a day and age when our own eastern front requires more reinforcement and army potentially needed in dealing with internal situations like Maoists, this splitting up of the Pak formation would be of invaluable help.


True - Excellent opportunity to box Pakistan up and free up our resource for China and these moronic peaceniks are thinking about aman ki asha. Idiots need to learn from China about shadow-boxing - Pakistan for India, NK for Japan and SK. All potential Asian powers restricted by China.
 
Apart from the traditional hatred from india and ana did some one calculated the worth of equipment ana is asking for ? Its not just a 1 time deal, india will have to supply the ammo through out to gain any result. Gun in a fool's hand is a hazard for himself than a gun in a clever guy's hand. Ana has shown signs of mutiny also.
After NATO and usa leaves afg just wait and see how talibans rise to capture each part of afg. Remember there is no Ahmad Shah Masood to lead northern alliance which makes up of almost 70-80% of ana. Our bond with afghan pashtoons are very deep never under estimate them.
 
Apart from the traditional hatred from india and ana did some one calculated the worth of equipment ana is asking for ? Its not just a 1 time deal, india will have to supply the ammo through out to gain any result. Gun in a fool's hand is a hazard for himself than a gun in a clever guy's hand. Ana has shown signs of mutiny also.
After NATO and usa leaves afg just wait and see how talibans rise to capture each part of afg. Remember there is no Ahmad Shah Masood to lead northern alliance which makes up of almost 70-80% of ana. Our bond with afghan pashtoons are very deep never under estimate them.

Dude instead of talking here why dose not Pakistan sign a border agreement with Afghanistan and supply them with weapons after all we have no problem if Pakistan supports Afghanistan (and pls not the Taliban)

Why cant Pakistan become the Architect of a free fair and Democratic Afghanistan. if Pakistan stop supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan automatically u guys win yourself an ally.
 
Dude instead of talking here why dose not Pakistan sign a border agreement with Afghanistan and supply them with weapons after all we have no problem if Pakistan supports Afghanistan (and pls not the Taliban)

Why cant Pakistan become the Architect of a free fair and Democratic Afghanistan. if Pakistan stop supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan automatically u guys win yourself an ally.

Pakistan has tried to get Afghanistan to agree to borders but they are stubborn in which case it is in Pakistan's best interest to keep them militarily weak.

This is not about Pakistan though, it is about India. India should fund ANA whatever shortage of cash they have but for their own good never never send a soldier into Afghanistan. Also it would be in India's best interest to wait for Karzai's idiotic *** to leave because even though he is your lacky, he is still corrupt as hell and WILL pocket some of that money.
 
Nothing is going to change wrt Pakistan unless Kashmir issue is resolved. Do not screw up relations with Afghan due to Pakistan.
there wont be dearth of any new issue even if the current one will be solved.Issues can be created out of nothing....Water issue is recent example.:azn:
 
Dude instead of talking here why dose not Pakistan sign a border agreement with Afghanistan and supply them with weapons after all we have no problem if Pakistan supports Afghanistan (and pls not the Taliban)

Why cant Pakistan become the Architect of a free fair and Democratic Afghanistan. if Pakistan stop supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan automatically u guys win yourself an ally.

We are providing shelter to 3 million afghans, we prefer selling them food and other items rather than weapons. Talibans are in afghanistan because they are natives and they enjoy support from afg people. It has been so many years when talibans rose up and since then they have made their roots firm. Talibs comprise of mainly pashtoons so what you are saying that we stop supporting 60% of the people that make up of afg and make friends with the rest of 40% ?
Afg has a major ethnic divide which needs to be understood in a better way. Pitting afg against Pakistan wont solve their problem but instead it will grow. Afg is a war torn country and you will support them to fight another war with their neighbour ? is this the level of sincerity india has for afg?
 
there wont be dearth of any new issue even if the current one will be solved.Issues can be created out of nothing....Water issue is recent example.:azn:

Hoping with the solving of Kashmir issue, other issues become minor but solving the Kashmir issue itself is a nightmarish attempt for the leaders of both sides without being called Benedict Arnold due to the emotional quotient invested by both the parties for the past 65 years.
 
We are providing shelter to 3 million afghans, we prefer selling them food and other items rather than weapons. Talibans are in afghanistan because they are natives and they enjoy support from afg people. It has been so many years when talibans rose up and since then they have made their roots firm. Talibs comprise of mainly pashtoons so what you are saying that we stop supporting 60% of the people that make up of afg and make friends with the rest of 40% ?
Afg has a major ethnic divide which needs to be understood in a better way. Pitting afg against Pakistan wont solve their problem but instead it will grow. Afg is a war torn country and you will support them to fight another war with their neighbour ? is this the level of sincerity india has for afg?

Wake up and smell some coffee - Pasthuns are 40% of the total Afghanistan population and unless you argue that Taliban commands 100% of these people's support (which I have seen only in certain middle-eastern elections), one can't claim Taliban as the representative of Afghani people. They are a major player and that is where it stops.
 
Hoping with the solving of Kashmir issue, other issues become minor but solving the Kashmir issue itself is a nightmarish attempt for the leaders of both sides without being called Benedict Arnold due to the emotional quotient invested by both the parties for the past 65 years.
Kashmir is just a stick to beat india with.untill either of india or pakistan exists this conflict will go on.
 
Kashmir is just a stick to beat india with.untill either of india or pakistan exists this conflict will go on.

Why do you think the conflict will continue? Indians and Pakistanis atleast think of themselves as two different groups of people and this division is getting more and more prominent farther away from 1947 both nations go. There is nothing to prove for both the countries to each other once the major issue is resolved.
 
America is providing a lot of "military aid" across the world and it is expensive for them.

So it is clever for them to offload some of this burden to other countries, such as India.

But in leaving this for India, America is also leaving much "geostrategic influence" that India can benefit from, if they are willing to shoulder the financial burden.
 

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