India eyes Israel's Iron Dome to counter Pak, puppets

[Skull and Bones]

P.S Tell you what ... Some fanboys here want to engage each and every incoming to protect troops too with Iron Dome besides those that might hit a high value target !

You're assumptions will someday cost you greatly.

When did anyone say that? As i said before and saying again for the umpteenth time, Iron dome will only engage projectiles heading towards the protected zone.

 

[Secur]

You're assumptions will someday cost you greatly.

When did anyone say that? As i said before and saying again for the umpteenth time, Iron dome will only engage projectiles heading towards the protected zone.

Cost me greatly ? This is the whole game of assumptions here ...

Everyone said that from the beginning till some members tried to talk some sense into them of impossibility of doing such a thing , check the thread

What is your definition of " protected zone " and most important how " large " can that be ? The increase in the area of the protected zone will increase the probability of more artillery making its way into it , hence increasing the credible threats ... The theatre level warfare isn't the same what Israel faces with Iron Dome ...

 

[Skull and Bones]

Cost me greatly ? This is the whole game of assumptions here ...

Everyone said that from the beginning till some members tried to talk some sense into them of impossibility of doing such a thing , check the thread

What is your definition of " protected zone " and most important how " large " can that be ? The increase in the area of the protected zone will increase the probability of more artillery making its way into it , hence increasing the credible threats ... The theatre level warfare isn't the same what Israel faces with Iron Dome ...

One Iron Dome system can effectively cover a city of size Haifa, so it can very well cover military headquarters or armored columns in forward posts will greater efficiency.

Sad you can't watch Youtube videos about it's real world engagement scenarios, it's fruitless to discuss without it.

 

[gambit]

Make it so , but the odds are ever increasing due to the large numbers of shells or rockets being fired , you simply cant field the x number of Iron Dome system for x number of threats , it is more likely that the system will be overwhelmed by the number of hundreds of credible threats alone increasing the probability of the target being destroyed , you are again using the flawed assumption of that Pakistan Army functions the same as insurgents , besides the Iron Dome is known for difficulty in intercepting hostiles which have a short distance and flight envelope in Israel which is again low in our scenario ... I know , that system will start to make more sense if its inducted to protect only " high value targets " but still it doesn't change the fact that the cost will be astronomically high making it unfeasible ... and still the five shells which may be used for a target like you hypothesized will be still cheaper than $90,000 interceptor missile !

P.S Tell you what ... Some fanboys here want to engage each and every incoming to protect troops too with Iron Dome besides those that might hit a high value target !

I made no assumptions. Even so, sometimes a formal army do employ tactics similar to insurgents' such as 'hit and run' and that is what self propelled howitzer (SPH) is for. SPH increased the odds of survival against enemy counterfire by being mobile.

Shoot-and-scoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term shoot and scoot refers to an artillery tactic of firing at a target and then immediately moving away from the location where the shots were fired. The reason for this is to avoid counter-battery fire - fired by enemy artillery or delivered by attack aircraft and helicopters, in order to suppress or destroy the battery or batteries.

Against a peer like India, Pakistani artillery would do well to practice this insurgent tactic.

 

[Secur]

Against a peer like India, Pakistani artillery would do well to practice this insurgent tactic.

If past is any indication , we have never done that ... Our resources aren't stretched thin for even an adversary like India besides there are only a couple of places in our scenario where major battles will be fought most likely in the desert areas suitable for mechanized offenses ...

One Iron Dome system can effectively cover a city of size Haifa, so it can very well cover military headquarters or armored columns in forward posts will greater efficiency.

I told you about that ... You aren't facing Hamas which fires a few rockets with a delay of hours or days ...

What is your definition of " protected zone " and most important how " large " can that be ? The increase in the area of the protected zone will increase the probability of more artillery making its way into it , hence increasing the credible threats ... The theatre level warfare isn't the same what Israel faces with Iron Dome ...

 

[gambit]

If past is any indication , we have never done that ... Our resources aren't stretched thin for even an adversary like India besides there are only a couple of places in our scenario where major battles will be fought most likely in the desert areas suitable for mechanized offenses ...



I told you about that ... You aren't facing Hamas which fires a few rockets with a delay of hours or days ...

What is your definition of " protected zone " and most important how " large " can that be ? The increase in the area of the protected zone will increase the probability of more artillery making its way into it , hence increasing the credible threats ... The theatre level warfare isn't the same what Israel faces with Iron Dome ...

An Iron Dome-like system on the battlefield will force the Pakistani Army to rethink tactics.

 

[Secur]

An Iron Dome-like system on the battlefield will force the Pakistani Army to rethink tactics.

Not tactics , but just increase the production and deployment of Norinco A100 and KRL-21 ( which are produced in Pakistan at the moment ) ...

 

[Icewolf]

An Iron Dome-like system on the battlefield will force the Pakistani Army to rethink tactics.

No SAM is invincible... Especially Iron Dome which cant protect against 66% of Hamas missiles..

 

[Secur]

No SAM is invincible... Especially Iron Dome which cant protect against 66% of Hamas missiles..

The easiest way to counter a SAM system is to overwhelm it with credible threats which is surprisingly easy and low cost in this case ...

 

[Skull and Bones]

If past is any indication , we have never done that ... Our resources aren't stretched thin for even an adversary like India besides there are only a couple of places in our scenario where major battles will be fought most likely in the desert areas suitable for mechanized offenses ...

In 65 War, Pak army used up 80% of it's ammunition by the end of time, while it was just over 14% for India. If the war stretched for couple of more days, Pak army had nothing to defend itself from marching Indian armored columns.

Pak army hasn't reached parity with India yet, infact the difference is growing. It's only your nukes that acting as a deterrent, other than that, there's nothing.

 

[acid rain]

I made no assumptions. Even so, sometimes a formal army do employ tactics similar to insurgents' such as 'hit and run' and that is what self propelled howitzer (SPH) is for. SPH increased the odds of survival against enemy counterfire by being mobile.

Shoot-and-scoot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Against a peer like India, Pakistani artillery would do well to practice this insurgent tactic.

They will employ shoot and scoot, a few rockets fired at the protected area and move positions rapidly by the time their positions are known and are bombarded in return.

 

[Skull and Bones]

No SAM is invincible... Especially Iron Dome which cant protect against 66% of Hamas missiles..

Here comes another clown with flawed concept, it isn't supposed to counter 100% of rockets, intercepting 34% probable threat is enough.

 

[acid rain]

If past is any indication , we have never done that ... Our resources aren't stretched thin for even an adversary like India besides there are only a couple of places in our scenario where major battles will be fought most likely in the desert areas suitable for mechanized offenses ...



I told you about that ... You aren't facing Hamas which fires a few rockets with a delay of hours or days ...

What is your definition of " protected zone " and most important how " large " can that be ? The increase in the area of the protected zone will increase the probability of more artillery making its way into it , hence increasing the credible threats ... The theatre level warfare isn't the same what Israel faces with Iron Dome ...

The past indicates otherwise....and the future will only increase the disparity. Your only option as gambit said is an insurgent tactics..a surprise attack like Kargil or 48, 65 etc.

 

[Secur]

Pak army hasn't reached parity with India yet, infact the difference is growing. It's only your nukes that acting as a deterrent, other than that, there's nothing.

Wrong ! Check the 90% for Pakistan and only 14% for India figure again ... Today's war wont be fought for that long due to some very obvious reasons and you know them very well ... No one has said that PA=IA anywhere in the thread ...

The past indicates otherwise....

That we have employed " shoot and scoot " tactics ? When ? I am not saying that it isn't a good way of enhancing survivability in such a high threat environment but I am not sure we have ever done it before or felt the need for it ...

 

[Secur]

The past indicates otherwise....and the future will only increase the disparity. Your only option as gambit said is an insurgent tactics..a surprise attack like Kargil or 48, 65 etc.

How so ? What artillery guns have you inducted after the Bofors scandal to give weight to this claim ? PA's option is to overwhelm the system which it is more than capable of doing so even at the moment and the increase in production of A100 and KRL-21 will only increase that ...